The Camaro is Back: Year 2007

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First of all, Firebirds have always looked distinctively better than the Camaro. Cosmetics aside, Firebirds production numbers are a lot lower than the Camaro & I think it's much cooler to drive a rare car. The Firebird has also always made use of different engines, suspensions, transmissions, tires & other options in order to be more unique. I can go on for a long time explaining the 35 year history, but I have better things to do. You all probably think that all F-Bodies are the same, regardless of anything. It's really too bad that you people can't appreciate the subtle differences that cars have.
 
ok.....I'm sorry..but asthetics are 100% opinionated....I think honeycomb tail lights arn't that great...And you can't forget the WS6 is faster only around a track when compared to a normal T/A.......Now if you just want to talk basew firebirds....wasn't the base firebird the exact same as a BASE maro......so subtle differences arn't the issue...it's the same car...just in some cases it's faster for less money...
 
Quick_Nick is talking about the 1st and 2nd gens, which had Pontiac engines in the Firebird. The Pontiac 455 vs Chevy 350 debate can go on, but this thread is mostly about 3rd and 4th gens. After GM axed the division's individual engines, the differneces were moot.

Sorry if I seemed a little rash in my posts Quick_Nick, but this is how I see it.
 
I hate that I'd say this. Some would be mad at me, some would agree... but I kind of think that the GM is kind of playing into the hands of their rival, Ford. I think it's killing the Camaro I "grown up" with when I got into cars in 1998. I miss the Camaro like of 1998 or 2000. My favorite of the latest model is the Camaro RS because of its sporty looks and performance to back it up. I'm not really fond of the 60s Camaros (no offense to CAMAROBOY69), but I think this new Camaro thing is REALLY in line with Chevy's new ass-o-listic styling.

I apologize if I seem overly offensive, but here I go...

First off, that little chrome bar across cars... damn it to hell, leave it on the trucks! It looks better on GM trucks. Second off, I admire the latest Camaro, and I like the Yenko Camaro. So if GM wants to go retro with it, kind of think of the Yenko Camaro, modernize the lines, and design it much better. I think Ford did the retro thing better, and I admire Ford for their efforts. They brought back the Cobra, Mustang, and Ford GT40 (as Ford GT) even if they will not see production. I actually like the new Mustang. Ford did its part to bring it back, and I think this is a very nice car.

But I guess if the new Camaro is going to look like this with the styling cues of GM in the 21st Century, I hate to say this, but I may just continue admiring the past automobiles than look at the new-style Chevys. Whatever happened into the mid-1990s Chevy Impala with the wide body and mean look? Whatever happened to the sexy C5's younger and shorter brother? Basically, I think someone at GM styling has to go soon before I totally lose my faith in Chevy (may never happen). Anyone care to volunteer?
 
First of all, you say you dont like the 1st-gens, but then you say that you like the Yenko, which was a 1st gen. Okay. :odd:

As for the chrome bar, Chevy needs some sort of corporate "face." Pontiac has their split grille, Buick has the ovoid thing, and Caddy has that squarish thing. It would help if the "dream" cars, like the Vette and Camaro held some family seblance to the workaday Muliby family sedan, to help sales.

Now, as to the B-bodies (Impala, Caprice, Roadmaster, etc.) the SS looked okay (I like it alot, actually) but the more plebian models were gernally described by the press and public as "wub-shaped." They needed to be more angular. And nobody buys a car that looks like a taxicab.
 
Darin
And the '00 Camaro owns the Mustang today also..

-Please don't start another arguement with me. I refuse to argue about this topic.
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I don't care if you want to argue about it or not. If you speak incorrectly, then expect to be called on it. The top of the line last SS (let alone the last Z28) doesn't even come close to keeping up with the top of the line Mustang.
 
Lethalchem
I don't care if you want to argue about it or not. If you speak incorrectly, then expect to be called on it. The top of the line last SS (let alone the last Z28) doesn't even come close to keeping up with the top of the line Mustang.
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Do you call the Cobra R the top-of-the line Mustang? Because in price and cahcet, it is more directly targeting a Corvette.

And unitl the Cobra got the supercharged engine, a Camaro SS was the better car.
 
The LS1 engine has a lot of potential with a stock bottom end...you can exctract a lot of power without touching it. Take for example this LS1 that ran 11.47 at 120 without touching the engine, and eventually attained 10.85 at 125 with a stock short block. That perfromance (on an engine with over 220 drag runs) speaks strongly to the strength of the LS1.
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And this is a NA engine. Pump some boost into it, as all the Mustangs Cobras have, and they will be blown away.
 
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The LS1 engine has a lot of potential with a stock bottom end...you can exctract a lot of power without touching it. Take for example this LS1 that ran 11.47 at 120 without touching the engine, and eventually attained 10.85 at 125 with a stock short block. That perfromance (on an engine with over 220 drag runs) speaks strongly to the strength of the LS1.
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You're not going to hear me argue and say the LS1 (or LT1 for that matter) is a weak/poor motor. It simply can't touch the Cobra, that's all. It's a fact that can't be argued.

I have a friend with a SS, he has done a TON of modding to it, and puts down 425rwhp. That's impressive, but what REALLY impresses me, is that he also sprays a 250hp shot of N20 on top of that...on STOCK internals that arn't even forged! That's pretty amazing. It's not going to last long, and he's just seeing how far he can push it before he rebuilds, but it's still damn impressive! 👍 I think it ended up making 640rwhp and 780rwtq on the bottle.

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And this is a NA engine. Pump some boost into it, as all the Mustangs Cobras have, and they will be blown away.
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Up to this point, I was referring to stock for stock when I say the SS isn't a match for the Cobra. When you start talking about mods, it's got nothing to do with the brand anymore. It simply has to do with how much money you have. :sly:
 
Nice to hear but with looking at the sketches it's looks are hurting, i'm thankful it's not what even the concept design.
 
I bet you drive:
A. A car that runs 15's or slower.
B. Too young too drive. It shows.

So let us know.
 
BlackZ28
I bet you drive:
A. A car that runs 15's or slower.
B. Too young too drive. It shows.

So let us know.
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So just because I dont like camaraos and you are offended You think that. Let me fill you in.

A. im 17
B.I drive the parents 2001 volvo s40 2.0 se
C. I couldnt give a toss about quarter mile times as I prefer to drive fast round corners than straight lines and most of the time I drive my car like a normal person which means just cruising.
 
BlackZ28
Thats what I thought, ignorance.

Don't worry about replying, you're on my ignore list.
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Yes your showing your maturity by not being able to take it that someone disagres with you and that sadly im not some stupid little kid who cant drive and just brush away. Why do you care so much if I dont like the camaro anyway.
 
It's not so much that you don't like the F-bodies (which is perfectly all right, the list of cars I don't like offends many people as well) but it's the fact that you choose to insult the breed with the off-hand statement "Camaros Suck".


They don't. They're the bargain basement of go fast. They grab corners like startled calicos on cut pile carpet and accelerate like a forcibly fornicated chimp.

They've proven their performance excellence in every form of motorsport with championships ranging from Pomona to Daytona to Elkhart Lake. A mix of drivers as eclectic as Mark Donohue, Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins, and Bob Senneker all made their names driving Camaros.

No, they aren't comfortable to drive. They're 100% unrefined, ride like buckboards over any pavement more than five minutes old, and anything past the 150k mile mark is your own damn fault for hanging onto the car that long.

But for those who own an F-body, we get to forgive the car its faults every time we fire it up and find our favorite bit of road, and we get to enjoy that bit of road at a lot of speed for not a lot of coin.

And, for the record, I own a 1989 Firebird 2.8L V6 as my daily driver with 157k miles so I know just what kind of abuse these cars can take.
 
Why'd you have to dig it up, Blackbird? You gave another thing for Mr. Pompous to spit on.
 
Just to point something out about GM's product development Timeline.

How long did the Solstice take to go from being a jaw dropping concept, to guest star on some ignorant Reality TV show?

Wasn't it about 2 years?

Don't count GM out, they seem to want to catch back up, and Y_W, if you don't know anything about something, you would do better not talking about it, you don't hear me badmouting TVR's for the shoddy reliability rumors I've heard, because I really don't know anything about them, so, shhh...
 
Yes but look at the SSR. I remember that being shown in what, 2000? It weas boring back then, plus we can all see how exciting it was when it was released ('04?)
 
Once again there is no Camaro in 2007. Maybe a concept in 2008 or 09.

And F-Bodies are by far one of the best performance cars. They were cheap and could make a ton of power cheap. Also with a little help they could hold there own on a road course.
 
Onikaze
Y_W, if you don't know anything about something, you would do better not talking about it, you don't hear me badmouting TVR's for the shoddy reliability rumors I've heard, because I really don't know anything about them, so, shhh...
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Hey I havent said anyhting about their capabilities I just dont like them.my comments are made purely on the camaros astethics.
 

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