The Camaro is Back: Year 2007

[Onikaze]

How do you know they don't handle very well?

When you assume, you make an ass of yourself.

 

[Young_Warrior]

How do you know they don't handle very well?

When you assume, you make an ass of yourself.

Because ever so maybe they do not compared to other sports cars.Hell even blazin said so when he said that if you fit so uprated shocks and springs they are pretty competitive arounfd the track. Why do all you guys always go so defensive about a stupid thing like a car.

 

[Joey D]

Stcok they handel pretty good, I just wouldn't expect to run good times around a track. The car is extremely ass happy due to its torque, I'm sure you could drift one pretty good if you tried. But you just need some meetier suspesion on the thing and you can own things around a track since the Camaro has decent brakes and an ass load of power.

 

[Sniffs]

Blazin: did they ever go through with the retro concept I saw a sketch of in one of my older car mags that looks like the Camaro version of the current Mustang?

 

[Joey D]

I haven't seen one in Michigan, but they very well could be doing it in California. There is talk of making a concept for the auto show circut.

 

[Onikaze]

Blazin just pointed out the biggest problem with a Camaro.

It wants to bring the tail around too easily.

For some this might be a problem, for Drifting it's pretty sweet.

If you just learn how to keep the tail under control, you can drive them pretty damn well stock.

Put on some bigger tires, or a bit of suspension work, and you've got a great little track car, low center of gravity, wide track, big engine, decent weight, good brakes, and they aren't too terribly balanced either.

This isn't the 1960's, and hasn't been for many decades, American car makers noticed they needed to make cars that can turn some time ago...keep up.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Blazin just pointed out the biggest problem with a Camaro.

It wants to bring the tail around too easily.

For some this might be a problem, for Drifting it's pretty sweet.

If you just learn how to keep the tail under control, you can drive them pretty damn well stock.

Put on some bigger tires, or a bit of suspension work, and you've got a great little track car, low center of gravity, wide track, big engine, decent weight, good brakes, and they aren't too terribly balanced either.

This isn't the 1960's, and hasn't been for many decades, American car makers noticed they needed to make cars that can turn some time ago...keep up.

Sadly the camaro wasnt one of them and neither was the c5 corvette. In europe the c5 was a laughing stock.

 

[Joey D]

Uh no it wasn't, the C5 Corvette is a highly respected race cars. Many people autocross with them as well as rull SCCA races. A friend of mine, her dad has a 2002 Vette and he races it all the time. All he did was put better tires on it.

You can't spin a Vette out very easily. It has this massive traction system on it, not to mention the huge tires. Trust me you know nothing about Corvettes if you think they suck while trying to turn. Oh and I'm pretty sure the Vette has won at Le Mans a few times, you know because that means nothing.

The Camaro, Corvette, Viper, Mustang, etc. are all great cars around the track, I'm sorry that you are to much of an idiot to see that.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Im sorry you are getting so upset about such simple words. The new mustang GT has been ridiculed in the UK the crossfire is just 100% show and that was a ugly car to start with aswell. The corvette sure did grip but it gripped to well in that the bloody thing didnt do sharp turns.

Winning lemans doesnt have anyhting to do with the road cars as the road cars are built to be under a certain price and the race car is not.

 

[High-Test]

Sadly the camaro wasnt one of them and neither was the c5 corvette. In europe the c5 was a laughing stock.

Prove it.

Blazin, Black95Z28, and several thousand people who know what they're talking about will prove you wrong. Howcome the Camaro did so well in the Trans-am racing in the 70s?

IT COULD TURN!!!!! (and, it had a large engine with lots of power)

How so was the C5 a laughing stock? Why do people spend almost twice what a car costs in it's country of manufacture? It must be something....

 

[High-Test]

Im sorry you are getting so upset about such simple words. The new mustang GT has been ridiculed in the UK the crossfire is just 100% show and that was a ugly car to start with aswell. The corvette sure did grip but it gripped to well in that the bloody thing didnt do sharp turns.

Winning lemans doesnt have anyhting to do with the road cars as the road cars are built to be under a certain price and the race car is not.

Winning lemans doesn't mean anything?! Let me ask you something. Do you like the McLaren F1??

For starters, this isn't about the Crossfire. Plus, the Crossfire, if I read correctly, is built in Austria, on a German car platform.

Who ridiculed the Mustang? Jeremy Clarkson? Is that where you get your car info from? Or are you anti-Bush so you just assume everything American sucks? If you're still Bitter about the 13 Colonies, get over it. Read up on salutory neglect.

It had good grip but didn't do sharp turns? That's odd. It stuck to the road, but couldn't turn.. Do cars on Ice or cars that have bad grip turn better?

 

[Joey D]

Im sorry you are getting so upset about such simple words. The new mustang GT has been ridiculed in the UK the crossfire is just 100% show and that was a ugly car to start with aswell. The corvette sure did grip but it gripped to well in that the bloody thing didnt do sharp turns.

Winning lemans doesnt have anyhting to do with the road cars as the road cars are built to be under a certain price and the race car is not.

I'm getting upset because you are an idiot. Idiotic people bug me, I mean when you are wrong just admit you are wrong.

The new Mustang is by far the best Mustang to date, and it is in fact starting to dominate it's class in SCCA and other racing sacations. If gas wasn't so expensive I would love to own a Mustang GT.

The Crossfire is 100% Benz in case you haven't noticed. They are fast as hell and they SRT-6 is even faster. I don't think you've driven one if you are saying it's 100% show. I think it looks weird, but just because something is ugly doesn't mean it isn't quick. The SRT-4 is ugly as sin but it is one of the fastest FWD's on the market.

With the Vette, if it grips well, then it can turn sharply and if you wanted to hand the ass out just flip the TCS (Traction Control System). But I would want to keep the car planted. Every one I know who has a Vette is impressed with the specs and numbers the car has.

Finally the C5R was a raced spec Z06, which meant it was lighter, safer, and had more durable parts on it.

 

[Joey D]

Winning lemans doesn't mean anything?! Let me ask you something. Do you like the McLaren F1??

For starters, this isn't about the Crossfire. Plus, the Crossfire, if I read correctly, is built in Austria, on a German car platform.

Who ridiculed the Mustang? Jeremy Clarkson? Is that where you get your car info from? Or are you anti-Bush so you just assume everything American sucks? If you're still Bitter about the 13 Colonies, get over it. Read up on salutory neglect.

It had good grip but didn't do sharp turns? That's odd. It stuck to the road, but couldn't turn.. Do cars on Ice or cars that have bad grip turn better?

Dude you so rock!!!

 

[High-Test]

Dude you so rock!!!

Thank You.

Hell, If you can autocross a Blazer, then they handle pretty good, right? Or, do you just have mad skills? (I'm not saying I don't like Blazers, I Quite like the Xtreme model, and my dad bought a 99 ish S10 as a company truck.(it's not the Xtreme model )

 

[Young_Warrior]

Isnt trans am racing full of equally disabled american cars. And im talking about the last camaro dont know anyhting about the others.


Why do people spend almost twice what a car costs in it's country of manufacture? It must be something....


That line doesnt make sense to me but let me now tell you about my line of thought.

In the UK we get pretty much all the cars from around the world. Now thats alot of sports cars. Effectively the c5 corvette went up against the likes of porsche tvr etc

Priced simalarily with more power but less creature comforts and not as good looking and not having that badge appeal people soon dismissed it as cars with alot less power were beating it around a track drank less fuel and was more human to drive on the roads. The handling was ridiculed and people preffered the higher revving smaller capacity engines of the other cars.

Compared to all the cars the vette competes with it was at the bottom of the pile.

 

[Tornado]

Sadly the camaro wasnt one of them and neither was the c5 corvette. In europe the c5 was a laughing stock.

Okay, then why is it that people stick to Camaros and Firebirds ruthlessly in Grand-Am until they weren't allowed to race anymore (and I AM talking about the last ones)? Those cars are probably 90% stock, the 10% being removed weight and safety equipment.

Im sorry you are getting so upset about such simple words. The new mustang GT has been ridiculed in the UK the crossfire is just 100% show and that was a ugly car to start with aswell. The corvette sure did grip but it gripped to well in that the bloody thing didnt do sharp turns.

Winning lemans doesnt have anyhting to do with the road cars as the road cars are built to be under a certain price and the race car is not.

It's not nessesarily the words, it's the stupidity behind the reasoning. The new Mustang GT is being ridiculed in the U.K.? For what? It's cheapness? The fact that it is fast? The Crossfire is a piece of crap, yes, but that has nothing to do with anything, nor, for that matter, does the previuosly mentioned Mustang GT.

Saying that a car gripped too well and wouldn't turn is oxymoronic and saying ot about Corvettes is untrue as it is, but saying that winning Le Mans doesn't matter or have anything to do with the road cars is just stupid. Why in the hell would Cheverolet pour at least a million dollars a year into sometihng that didn't matter? Or, even better, why would Ferrari or Porsche spend at least 5 times as much each on racing if it didn't matter? It's also not like the LMP cars anyways: the C6-R is very much so like the road car, especially the Z06. Same dimensions, similar power (especially to the Z06) same engine size (Z06 again), not too much of a weight difference, same chassis, etc.

 

[Joey D]

Thank You.

Hell, If you can autocross a Blazer, then they handle pretty good, right? Or, do you just have mad skills? (I'm not saying I don't like Blazers, I Quite like the Xtreme model, and my dad bought a 99 ish S10 as a company truck.(it's not the Xtreme model )

I auto cross the Blazer, but it has a full sport suspension on it so it's almost 6 inchs lower then a stock Blazer, not to mention I have some real high grip tires.

In the UK we get pretty much all the cars from around the world. Now thats alot of sports cars. Effectively the c5 corvette went up against the likes of porsche tvr etc

Priced simalarily with more power but less creature comforts and not as good looking and not having that badge appeal people soon dismissed it as cars with alot less power were beating it around a track drank less fuel and was more human to drive on the roads. The handling was ridiculed and people preffered the higher revving smaller capacity engines of the other cars.

Compared to all the cars the vette competes with it was at the bottom of the pile.

The only cars we don't get in America are TVR's and according to live4speed (who I trust when it comes to TVR's) said it would cost entirely to much to bring them over. Like 150 grand for a TVR which means no one would buy them.

I guess you guys in the UK get some economic Vette (didn't know GM made them) because in America and in Germany too the Vette is quite good around the track and beats a lot of cars.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Winning lemans doesn't mean anything?! Let me ask you something. Do you like the McLaren F1??

For starters, this isn't about the Crossfire. Plus, the Crossfire, if I read correctly, is built in Austria, on a German car platform.

Who ridiculed the Mustang? Jeremy Clarkson? Is that where you get your car info from? Or are you anti-Bush so you just assume everything American sucks? If you're still Bitter about the 13 Colonies, get over it. Read up on salutory neglect.

It had good grip but didn't do sharp turns? That's odd. It stuck to the road, but couldn't turn.. Do cars on Ice or cars that have bad grip turn better?

Nice try but it was signed off by chrysler for the car to be manufactured on that horrendusly old slk chassis and other than that it doesnt share any other parts with the old slk. The crossifre looks like a dog bending over doing a poo.

Just because a car has grip doesnt mean it cant turn so well. A truck grips well but it doesnt turn well. With a corvette at speed it would lean slightly as you turn but it just kinda keeps pummeling forward.

 

[Joey D]

Nice try but it was signed off by chrysler for the car to be manufactured on that horrendusly old slk chassis and other than that it doesnt share any other parts with the old slk. The crossifre looks like a dog bending over doing a poo.

Actaully 40% of the Crossfire is an SLK, including suspension and I believe some of the motor.

Just because a car has grip doesnt mean it cant turn so well. A truck grips well but it doesnt turn well. With a corvette at speed it would lean slightly as you turn but it just kinda keeps pummeling forward.

Wow you've never driven a Vette have you?

 

[Young_Warrior]

I auto cross the Blazer, but it has a full sport suspension on it so it's almost 6 inchs lower then a stock Blazer, not to mention I have some real high grip tires.



The only cars we don't get in America are TVR's and according to live4speed (who I trust when it comes to TVR's) said it would cost entirely to much to bring them over. Like 150 grand for a TVR which means no one would buy them.

I guess you guys in the UK get some economic Vette (didn't know GM made them) because in America and in Germany too the Vette is quite good around the track and beats a lot of cars.

A UK spec evo would beat a c5 around any track. So that gives me a saving of £25 grand over a c5. Hell maybe I will buy two evo 8 fq330s with that or just one TVR. At the end of the day lets stop arguing about price.

Lets just put the cars in their respective category and then discuss straight up which car would be faster without all the political bulls*it

 

[Tornado]

Nice try but it was signed off by chrysler for the car to be manufactured on that horrendusly old slk chassis and other than that it doesnt share any other parts with the old slk. The crossifre looks like a dog bending over doing a poo.

Just because a car has grip doesnt mean it cant turn so well. A truck grips well but it doesnt turn well. With a corvette at speed it would lean slightly as you turn but it just kinda keeps pummeling forward.

Yeah, the Crossfire definately doesn't share the Supercharged 2.3 litre engine or 5 speed automatic with the old SLK.

You're supposed to, you know, brake to turn at speed. Besides, what was this compared to. If you say Porsche 911 or any similar car I will literally laugh. They are about as stable at high speed as a Formula 1 car that lost it's rear spoiler.

A UK spec evo would beat a c5 around any track. So that gives me a saving of £25 grand over a c5. Hell maybe I will buy two evo 8 fq330s with that or just one TVR. At the end of the day lets stop arguing about price.

So you decided to bring the Evo into this? Of all cars, the Evo. An Evo can hand a Ferrari Enzo it's ass to it in the right conditions. And TVR's weigh, what, 2000lbs with around 350 BHP? No exactly the fairest of all competitions.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Actaully 40% of the Crossfire is an SLK, including suspension and I believe some of the motor.



Wow you've never driven a Vette have you?

Nope but I watched one get its ass handed to it by a m3 round some racetrack. You ever driven a truck? I have. Nice view.

 

[Joey D]

Nope but I watched one get its ass handed to it by a m3 round some racetrack. You ever driven a truck? I have. Nice view.

I doubt you've seen one get it's ass handed to it around a track, I'm not going to doubt an M3 couldn't stick with a Vette and depending on the driver could beat it. But it would be a close race.

And you have no idea how a Vette handels then. I've taken one up well over 140 mph before, I've taken it around road courses and what not. I know how Vettes works.

Yes I have driven a truck, in fact I drive one everyday.

A UK spec evo would beat a c5 around any track. So that gives me a saving of £25 grand over a c5. Hell maybe I will buy two evo 8 fq330s with that or just one TVR. At the end of the day lets stop arguing about price.

Evo vs a Vette....Vette would win hands down. Evos are WAY over rated unless you want to race the two cars on gravel.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Yeah, the Crossfire definately doesn't share the Supercharged 2.3 litre engine or 5 speed automatic with the old SLK.

You're supposed to, you know, brake to turn at speed. Besides, what was this compared to. If you say Porsche 911 or any similar car I will literally laugh. They are about as stable at high speed as a Formula 1 car that lost it's rear spoiler.

If your not a good driver then you wont be too fast in a porsche but if you are a good driver a porsche 911 gt3 still kicks a ferrari 360 modena round a track. Any racetrack you go to and look at the amateur race what you bring records and there will be a porsche on that list. Just look at the nurburrng times. Hell were is that table and lets see where the C5 placed on it.

 

[High-Test]

Okay, your sentence structure is a Giant jumble.

I'm saying that A car must be pretty darn good if someone would spend almost twice what it costs in the country it's made for one. Uh, how long has TVR been around? 1948?

Chevrolet was making cars in the teens. They even came out with a V8 almost 20 years before Ford came out with a Flathead. What does "the Badge" mean? Yeah, It's not a Ferrari. So What? 500 Horsepower, good handling, nice looks, and an exhaust note that will make the neighbor's kids piss their pants -At 1/2(or less) the price of a Ferrari? Sounds like a good deal to me.

You truly Don't have a clue as to what in Alice Cooper's mind you are talking about. Creature Comforts? Uhh, last I checked, a sports car was about the driving fast and handling well part, not about whether or not you had a nice leather seat or a 12 disc cd player. Assuming how you hate Corvettes, you probably love the Ferrari Challenge Stradale. Why is it special? No Creature Comforts. No Radio, No AC, (it had a heater right?) With a sports car, Creature comforts don't matter. What matters is the enjoyment one gets from driving the living crap out of it. If someone buys a sports car based on Creature Comforts, Then they bought a fast car to augment the small size of their penis.

Less fuel?? I would think a Corvette (that got 16-27 m.p.g.) with a very low idle, and lower rpms (pushrod V8 -low end power) would get better fuel economy than a 4.6 ish liter V8 or V10 that revved up to 9 or 10,000 rpm. (making it's power much higher in the rpm range) A ferrari 360 gets 12 miles per gallon? Less? I know that the Countach got 7 or 8, but that's irelevant.


Please, put some thought into posts before you make them based completely on stereotypes.

 

[Young_Warrior]

I doubt you've seen one get it's ass handed to it around a track, I'm not going to doubt an M3 couldn't stick with a Vette and depending on the driver could beat it. But it would be a close race.

And you have no idea how a Vette handels then. I've taken one up well over 140 mph before, I've taken it around road courses and what not. I know how Vettes works.

Yes I have driven a truck, in fact I drive one everyday.



Evo vs a Vette....Vette would win hands down. Evos are WAY over rated unless you want to race the two cars on gravel.

No I mean a real truck a lorry or whateva you guys call it in the "states". And Im talking about the c5 not the c6 or c6 zo6. Plus so what if you have driven a vette you havent driven one of its rivals now have you so how can you compare. No doubt comapred to a ordinary everyday car its will be good but compared to all the other sports cars 💡

 

[Tornado]

If your not a good driver then you wont be too fast in a porsche but if you are a good driver a porsche 911 gt3 still kicks a ferrari 360 modena round a track. Any racetrack you go to and look at the amateur race what you bring records and there will be a porsche on that list. Just look at the nurburrng times. Hell were is that table and lets see where the C5 placed on it.

You know why every racing event has Porsche 911 GT3s? Because any rich dentist can afford to buy one and literally have a race spec car. Because, in case you didn't know, that's what a fecking 911 GT3 is. It is a GT2 minus the turbo. A race car minus the decals. A ferrari 360 Modena isn't. A Corvette C5 isn't. The GT3 has NO creature comforts, and therefore weighs NOTHING, and has a tuned up engine. No **** a C5 would be below it at Nurburgring times.

 

[Joey D]

No I mean a real truck a lorry or whateva you guys call it in the "states". And Im talking about the c5 not the c6 or c6 zo6. Plus so what if you have driven a vette you havent driven one of its rivals now have you so how can you compare. No doubt comapred to a ordinary everyday car its will be good but compared to all the other sports cars 💡

You do realize I drive cars all day right? I work at th Milford Proving Grounds where I test Corvettes, which means I get to drive competitor cars. I'm not going to explain it...and yes I'm driven a Semi, my dad used to drive trucks.

 

[Young_Warrior]

Okay, your sentence structure is a Giant jumble.

I'm saying that A car must be pretty darn good if someone would spend almost twice what it costs in the country it's made for one. Uh, how long has TVR been around? 1948?

Chevrolet was making cars in the teens. They even came out with a V8 almost 20 years before Ford came out with a Flathead. What does "the Badge" mean? Yeah, It's not a Ferrari. So What? 500 Horsepower, good handling, nice looks, and an exhaust note that will make the neighbor's kids piss their pants -At 1/2(or less) the price of a Ferrari? Sounds like a good deal to me.

You truly Don't have a clue as to what in Alice Cooper's mind you are talking about. Creature Comforts? Uhh, last I checked, a sports car was about the driving fast and handling well part, not about whether or not you had a nice leather seat or a 12 disc cd player. Assuming how you hate Corvettes, you probably love the Ferrari Challenge Stradale. Why is it special? No Creature Comforts. No Radio, No AC, (it had a heater right?) With a sports car, Creature comforts don't matter. What matters is the enjoyment one gets from driving the living crap out of it. If someone buys a sports car based on Creature Comforts, Then they bought a fast car to augment the small size of their penis.

Less fuel?? I would think a Corvette (that got 16-27 m.p.g.) with a very low idle, and lower rpms (pushrod V8 -low end power) would get better fuel economy than a 4.6 ish liter V8 or V10 that revved up to 9 or 10,000 rpm. (making it's power much higher in the rpm range) A ferrari 360 gets 12 miles per gallon? Less? I know that the Countach got 7 or 8, but that's irelevant.


Please, put some thought into posts before you make them based completely on stereotypes.

And mercedes made the first car so what.
Plus your corvette sounds just like a bloody v8 amg.

Ugh if you didnt care for creature comforts then why get a car. Why not get a superbike or a ultima GTR?. Nice argument. I couldnt care less for the 360 stradale neither.

So what your saying is if you buy a corvette your going to have to buy another car for commuting and long trips. Dont need to do that with a porsche or a m3 or even the new RS4 which would give a c6 vette a good kicking around a track.

16-27mpg is a wide range no one gives such wide ranges so lets say 22 mpg. 22mpg aint ****.

 

[High-Test]

Nice try but it was signed off by chrysler for the car to be manufactured on that horrendusly old slk chassis and other than that it doesnt share any other parts with the old slk. The crossifre looks like a dog bending over doing a poo.

Just because a car has grip doesnt mean it cant turn so well. A truck grips well but it doesnt turn well. With a corvette at speed it would lean slightly as you turn but it just kinda keeps pummeling forward.

Well, If it was a nice try, then rebuke(if you even know what that means) the other points made in my posts, not just one of them.

A real truck?? a real truck?? Explain what a real truck is, to all of us americans who buy over two million trucks per year.

How old are you? You probably haven't driven either of them.