The Childfree Thread.
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- Are you kidding?
The irony of course being that having kids apparently makes people mature. You being the most immature and trite person in the thread.
Great example for the kids, by the way.
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- Dennisch
Ah yes. The kids make you mature and responsible comment.
I see one of those parents every day. And his 2 kids are the perfect example why people who think that should not have kids.
We are the same age, and yet I can see clearly that his kids are going to be quite the burden when they get older, and they already are annoying everyone around them.
I see one of those parents every day. And his 2 kids are the perfect example why people who think that should not have kids.
We are the same age, and yet I can see clearly that his kids are going to be quite the burden when they get older, and they already are annoying everyone around them.
David
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Perhaps you wont respond now because of everything that transpired after the quoted post, but I must ask, So what? In what way is my decision affecting you or your kids. The world might be a better place without my kids in it. The human race will be just fine without me reproducing, and the conscious decision by some not to have kids may help to slow or stop the overpopulation of this planet, to the benefit of your heirs.
Obviously I recognize that you are a gamer since you're here on GTPlanet, and because of that your comment about the irony here didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. What is ironic about not wanting kids and being on a gaming forum? I was in no way trying to insult you or imply that you weren't a gamer because of being a parent.
Again, why does it matter to you what others have chosen to do in this situation. As others pointed out, we as humans have a mental capacity that other creatures in nature do not. We have the ability to override our preprogrammed instincts to live as we please. Why should any of us let society dictate our lifestyle based on some ancient natural expectation that serves no purpose in the modern world. Besides sex feeling good, I have no desire to be in a romantic relationship, let alone have kids. If that somehow makes me less than an Alpha in someone else's eyes than so be it. Hell, even if everyone decided to not have kids and the human race ended, I still don't see why you would care. We're all gonna die sooner or later. It really is as simple as that.
I really don't think narcissism is an accurate term to describe myself, and it's probably not accurate for a lot of the childfree people who have been posting in here. My decision to not have kids isn't because I'm in love with myself or think I'm super special somehow. I don't think that my desire to remain in control of my life equates to being a narcissist. "Selfish" in a way, maybe, but even then I'd argue that nobody has the right to my time unless I choose to give it to them, so I don't think it's fair to call me that either. At any rate I don't think anyone who knows me would call me a narcissist.
Certainly not, but it doesn't have to be all about children either. Reality is whatever you want to make of it. Video games came up as one hobby as an example since we're here for that reason in common. Maybe a better example is that I can move and take jobs wherever I want without having to worry about affecting anyone else. Regardless of that though, who's to say I shouldn't have fun all the time if I work hard to afford it just because others have decided to have kids and can't?
What are we at fault for? There is no fault or error to be accepted in exercising one's free will. I'm glad that the parents on here enjoy raising their kids, and I hope you all can provide them with everything they need. I'm not looking to take that from anyone, or talk someone out of having a kid. That life is just not for me. That is all there is to it.
We spend the first quarter of our lives in school, then the next 40+ years working. I plan to use what little free time we've given ourselves as a species to do whatever I please.
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OMG
Owensracing is a Sanctimommy Mombie.
No alpha male with adequate testosterone would ever go the route of being a girly Sanctimommy Mombie, would he???
Yep.
It was like I cued him up like the next track played on the radio.
Here I was actually impressed up to a point that there hadn't been too much of the Sanctimommy crap in this thread. I was thinking maybe that men really weren't quite as bad as women about that.
How foolish of me. Of course people are people.
Judgmental name-calling sanctimonious with a bit of misogyny thrown in.
Perhaps he was drunk.
If we didn't go against this natural order that means the truly natural choice is to want offspring - there would be no intellectual pursuits, no technology, no cars, no video games, and no modern medicine.
I say let's go against the natural order!!
If it were not for modern medicine, I would not be here!
Yay for technology!!!!!!
Oh, but what - who's to say what's natural order?
If something happens with humans, it may in fact be the natural order.
It may be the natural order for some people to reproduce, and others to choose not to.
So unless someone here knows the meaning of the universe, or the mind of God, or something like that... I'm not sure we can have a discussion about what's "natural".
And, besides, it's a normal thing for religious orders (like Catholic nuns, monks, & priests) to deliberately choose not to have children. They've been operating that way for centuries, and it's been a respected calling in life for a long history.
Monks shouldn't have to explain themselves, or defend their choices.
And neither should Katie.
Yeah that sounds a bit odd. Wasn't sure what to make of that either.
I always heard that it's actually a form of child abuse to look to your children to provide the kind of support & companionship that one gets from a partner or peers.
And the idea that someone would have a baby to not be lonely... SMFH. It happens, but it's generally considered to be something people with issues do, unwittingly not realizing that's not healthy, nor considered a good reason for having a baby.
Well, because with parenthood, it naturally happens that one is immediately imbued with maturity, wisdom, morality, & ESP.
Did you not know that?
Just doin' the deed - that pretty much any human can do... & not taking any precautions.. And voila! You have attained enlightenment & a position of automatic respect.
Never mind the droves of people who abandon their babies to their partners, or whoever.
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Accusing those who don't abide by your classic picket fence values of having any sort of mental issue is ridiculous. All animals may seek to reproduce, but those same animals must adapt to their environment in order for the species to continue on. With human population having crested seven billion last year, there's only so much more the world can support without disastrous effects. If every single person wanted to reproduce like you're suggesting is natural, we'd be...screwed. What I'm trying to say is that it would be wiser to curb the amount of new lives being introduced into the world daily to those who really want to take that commitment on if the ultimate goal is to ensure the species survives, as you mentioned, no?
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So if we don't want to have children, we're narcissistic? Do you even know what 'narcissistic' means?
Humans aren't forced to reproduce or do anything considered 'natural' due to us being more intelligent and independent beings than other creatures. We have free will due to our ability to ignore natural instincts (as David pointed out). And considering you're talking about this 'natural order', would playing video games be considered natural? How about accessing a computer, or listening to music? Maybe we should ditch our current ways and go back to the way humans were in prehistoric times?
And it's been pointed out, with this free will comes a lack of desire to have children. Most of us who posted here do not want to reproduce as if we were to have children, we could pass on our genetics and if we have any mental disabilities, we could potentially pass it down to them. Some of us had pointed out that we want to follow a path that, if we were to have children, it would slow our progress down. While that could be considered 'selfish' in certain scenarios (such as your partner not wanting to have children), who's to say that you couldn't be with someone who doesn't want children as well? Would that still make you 'lonely'?
Also, was your mention of depression meant to be a joke? Not funny at all. 👎
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The way the wind blows, I'm just going to go where it takes me. Childfree or not, doesn't make a difference to me. I have 25 nieces and nephews to keep me busy(or drive me crazy).
To the point of the population issues, let's just get rid of the old people instead and let people have as many children as they want. I'm going elderlyfree.
Or just let the population grow and let the resulting wars take care of things. We have to give the viewers of the Earth TV series something to watch, or else they're going to cancel us.
To the point of the population issues, let's just get rid of the old people instead and let people have as many children as they want. I'm going elderlyfree.
Or just let the population grow and let the resulting wars take care of things. We have to give the viewers of the Earth TV series something to watch, or else they're going to cancel us.
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I don't want kids yet or at any time in the near future to be totally honest. I don't hate kids, but I can just see that they would be nothing but a burden.
First, there is the pregnancy stage and the birth itself - nothing about that stage seems fun after seeing my mum go through it twice, it's just one long pain in the arse (and vagina, but I don't have one of them). Sitting in a hospital for over 24 hours hearing a woman scream is just my idea of a nightmare.
Then their is the money side of things - There is absolutely no way I could support a child as well as myself financially, only being 18. Yes, I have a job but I'm hardly rolling in thousands at the moment so if I was to have a kid I would probably end up taking money from the taxpayer, and that isn't going to help anybody.
Also, I want MY money to be MINE, so I can do what I want with it, and not throw it away on nappies and liquidized food.
Then there is the kid itself - endless nights of crying, screaming and then wiping it's arse will drive me mad.
So, I have a choice. Be free to spend my money and do what I want when I want, or be broke after buying baby stuff and have no free time due to looking after a noisy, smelly baby.
It's a tough one, isn't it?
First, there is the pregnancy stage and the birth itself - nothing about that stage seems fun after seeing my mum go through it twice, it's just one long pain in the arse (and vagina, but I don't have one of them). Sitting in a hospital for over 24 hours hearing a woman scream is just my idea of a nightmare.
Then their is the money side of things - There is absolutely no way I could support a child as well as myself financially, only being 18. Yes, I have a job but I'm hardly rolling in thousands at the moment so if I was to have a kid I would probably end up taking money from the taxpayer, and that isn't going to help anybody.
Also, I want MY money to be MINE, so I can do what I want with it, and not throw it away on nappies and liquidized food.
Then there is the kid itself - endless nights of crying, screaming and then wiping it's arse will drive me mad.
So, I have a choice. Be free to spend my money and do what I want when I want, or be broke after buying baby stuff and have no free time due to looking after a noisy, smelly baby.
It's a tough one, isn't it?
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Well, for starters, I'd make a terrible, terrible parent.
And then, I'd never be likely to even meet a partner who I might have children with anyway, considering the fact that I haven't made any friends since probably my penultimate year of school.
And then, of course, I'm incredibly greedy and have no interest in being any poorer or in any more debt than I have to be...
And then, of course, I'd make a terrible, terrible parent.
Well, apart from the whole thing where I would tell my children that heterosexuality is evil and must be abolished. That's something a good parent would do, but sadly almost every single parent in the world doesn't.
And then, I'd never be likely to even meet a partner who I might have children with anyway, considering the fact that I haven't made any friends since probably my penultimate year of school.
And then, of course, I'm incredibly greedy and have no interest in being any poorer or in any more debt than I have to be...
And then, of course, I'd make a terrible, terrible parent.
Well, apart from the whole thing where I would tell my children that heterosexuality is evil and must be abolished. That's something a good parent would do, but sadly almost every single parent in the world doesn't.
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Heterosexuality is the most evil thing on the planet. For starters, it encourages people to have children, and do you know who else was a child?
Stalin.
But in all seriousness, I'm the sort of person who probably would try to imprint the opposite of various social norms into a child's head just to see what happens, and that's one of the reasons I'd make a terrible, terrible parent.
I see children as little more than potential social experiments.
Stalin.
But in all seriousness, I'm the sort of person who probably would try to imprint the opposite of various social norms into a child's head just to see what happens, and that's one of the reasons I'd make a terrible, terrible parent.
I see children as little more than potential social experiments.
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- Dennisch
Is this a Dutch thing because I don't know what you mean?I see children as little more than potential social experiments.So much this.
No insult intended, just a question and an attempt to get an explanation what this means.
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I'm married with two children. Frankly, I can understand why people don't have kids; this isn't much of a shock because I waited well over a decade after adulthood years to intentionally become a father. While it must be said that it's not at all unusual for most of our younger members on this board to say they're not having kids; after all, you've got your own futures to look after, much of which hasn't been realized. I was the same way. There's nothing saying that you have to increase the population of the planet, and nobody forcing the issue. Having kids isn't the end-all, be-all; it doesn't justify or excuse anything.
But society has its way, and people attain all they can, and perhaps they want to do what others do. However it goes; women bear the child, and if you're a guy, you're part of the equation (even if you're just ten minutes of work towards 40 weeks' of incubation and difficulty); unless some divine entity snaps His fingers, that is. Or at least, want to take the plunge. Unlike buying that second old car or collecting more toys, there's no going back once you've committed yourself to being a parent. You're obviously in it for the long haul.
I won't lie, I get annoyed if someone who's never had to raise kids has an opinion on how others should actively raise them; that's like a kid giving out car or driving advice. Great for fun and games, but baseless information in most cases. And just as obnoxious are those who assume everyone should to pop out Bubba Junior and Miss Sissie ten months after first meeting up at the local drive-through. I watched my family's progeny many, many times and even babysat a few times in my youth, and yet nothing really prepares you for the long-term commitment of parenting.
Sure, there's books out there, and even helpful advice on the internet. But family is usually the best resource for these kinds of things (unless you're missing limbs thanks to the actions/inaction of dear old mom and dad). Fortunately, the first couple of months of "parenting" are easy, save the lack of sleep and the lifestyle change of changing your focus to the child and spouse. When it starts to grow up, you do to; and gradually you pick up greater responsibilities of taking care for the child. Parenting takes an imperfect individual, proven by the fact you've got eighteen years to not mess it up, and that anyone and nearly everyone has done it. We've made it four million years on this planet, and we're made of some of the toughest stuff to continue doing so without being a rock or tree (the latter of which can do some very awesome things, but they're admittedly weak at high-speed travel).
There's some really great things about being a parent. There's also some difficult decisions, confusion, and real change in the way you look at your stuff. The last thing becomes a process in which you really distill it all down to what's really important, and that you have to put everything your kids need ahead of your own wants. The petty debris of this world washes away quickly, leaving you to see what you need much easier; these are going to be different values for everyone, naturally. One of the things that's both amazing and kind of eerie is that as the children get older, they will follow your lead. It's like having your own minions. And it's okay to be a kid, too...your kids will want you to be one at the right times. They're your biggest and most supportive fan club, even after you scold them, even after you've told them to get their shoes on for the third time, even after they've torn or broken an item of yours.
We can justify and make excuses, but the simple facts are that you and I were once children too, and someone else decided to create us and raised us. There's going to be frustrating moments, that's for certain. But are you going to remember those forever, or the wonderful moments and achievements they create?
Also, only your kids can decide that party hats and flowers can make everything better:
But society has its way, and people attain all they can, and perhaps they want to do what others do. However it goes; women bear the child, and if you're a guy, you're part of the equation (even if you're just ten minutes of work towards 40 weeks' of incubation and difficulty); unless some divine entity snaps His fingers, that is. Or at least, want to take the plunge. Unlike buying that second old car or collecting more toys, there's no going back once you've committed yourself to being a parent. You're obviously in it for the long haul.
I won't lie, I get annoyed if someone who's never had to raise kids has an opinion on how others should actively raise them; that's like a kid giving out car or driving advice. Great for fun and games, but baseless information in most cases. And just as obnoxious are those who assume everyone should to pop out Bubba Junior and Miss Sissie ten months after first meeting up at the local drive-through. I watched my family's progeny many, many times and even babysat a few times in my youth, and yet nothing really prepares you for the long-term commitment of parenting.
Sure, there's books out there, and even helpful advice on the internet. But family is usually the best resource for these kinds of things (unless you're missing limbs thanks to the actions/inaction of dear old mom and dad). Fortunately, the first couple of months of "parenting" are easy, save the lack of sleep and the lifestyle change of changing your focus to the child and spouse. When it starts to grow up, you do to; and gradually you pick up greater responsibilities of taking care for the child. Parenting takes an imperfect individual, proven by the fact you've got eighteen years to not mess it up, and that anyone and nearly everyone has done it. We've made it four million years on this planet, and we're made of some of the toughest stuff to continue doing so without being a rock or tree (the latter of which can do some very awesome things, but they're admittedly weak at high-speed travel).
There's some really great things about being a parent. There's also some difficult decisions, confusion, and real change in the way you look at your stuff. The last thing becomes a process in which you really distill it all down to what's really important, and that you have to put everything your kids need ahead of your own wants. The petty debris of this world washes away quickly, leaving you to see what you need much easier; these are going to be different values for everyone, naturally. One of the things that's both amazing and kind of eerie is that as the children get older, they will follow your lead. It's like having your own minions. And it's okay to be a kid, too...your kids will want you to be one at the right times. They're your biggest and most supportive fan club, even after you scold them, even after you've told them to get their shoes on for the third time, even after they've torn or broken an item of yours.
We can justify and make excuses, but the simple facts are that you and I were once children too, and someone else decided to create us and raised us. There's going to be frustrating moments, that's for certain. But are you going to remember those forever, or the wonderful moments and achievements they create?
Also, only your kids can decide that party hats and flowers can make everything better:
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I think I'll manage my future a lot better without kids than with them. I need that money to maintain a decent quality of life, not to waste it all for toys only to have them broken within a week.
Otherwise, got nothing to argue against here.
Guess I'll be getting that vasectomy ASAP then. It sounds frustrating having to go ahead and flush the rubber down the toilet everytime after intercourse to eliminate the unwanted pregnancies.
Good thing even if the accident happens, I have the option to back out and not be a part on the kid's life (aside from the unfortunate child support, but guess I deserve it if I actually do make the irresponsible decision).
There are "parents" out there who simply don't qualify as parents, either because of brainwashing, or spoiling (that's what's happening in my uncle's family - those 2 brats are the worst I've ever seen), or just generally acting entitled. Even though I'm just as incompetent myself, at least I don't see myself (or rather the exact copy of myself in a different universe where he decides to reproduce - the whole idea of parenthood is that distant) doing those types of mistakes. In fact I'd probably resort to the sort of discipline that ends with social workers interfering, lol.
Also I hate the people mentioned afterwards who think everyone should be parents. Not just "dislike" but hate. It's disrespectful to expect others to abide by the picket fence values (thanks @Doog for that brilliant comment earlier in the page), especially if it's a complete stranger saying that.
Lack of sleep? No thanks. I already have an irregular sleep pattern and already wake up randomly due to the noise of passing ambulances and the like. Adding a baby into the mix would probably kill me.
And again, I'm not a responsible person. Heck, I sometimes forget to take my medication, and that's the one thing I should remember daily for as long as I dwell this earth.
So many people have done it. So many people also like cheese. I don't.
I guess I'm a selfish little 🤬 then.
Yes, I was a kid once. It sucked.
I don't know if you're trying to appeal to emotion, but it doesn't work. The bad sides of parenting - like wasting 18 years of the best part of one's adulthood - easily outweigh the good sides. Especially since there's no guarantee what the kid will turn out like. I could never live with myself if I had raised a pedophile or a murderer. Or both.
...I know I'm terrible at arguing, but figured I'd give it a go anyway. Can't get better without practice, just like in racing.
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Children are a blessing.
I'm planning to save a bunch of money before even thinking about getting married and having kids. I don't think you should have kids unless you have a good sum saved anyway. The default mode of thought these days seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom-- I think there's a fundamental savings problem in America, and the idea that children are such a huge liability stems from it, partly. Things are set up for you to become a debt slave. Nope. People don't like to think about having kids, but having kids is probably, most likely, not necessarily all that bad. I mean, look how awesome this kid is, below. Money can't buy happiness, but kids can bring innocence, wonder, and a special love into your life. He does need a haircut though.
Besides that, my mom raised me alone and had to start from scratch when I was a year old. So any standard nuclear family shouldn't really have such an excuse as to why they ought not to have kids. Besides, after all the money she spent on me, I turned out to be arguably the best investment she's ever made.
Also, how narcissistic is this thread?
I'm planning to save a bunch of money before even thinking about getting married and having kids. I don't think you should have kids unless you have a good sum saved anyway. The default mode of thought these days seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom-- I think there's a fundamental savings problem in America, and the idea that children are such a huge liability stems from it, partly. Things are set up for you to become a debt slave. Nope. People don't like to think about having kids, but having kids is probably, most likely, not necessarily all that bad. I mean, look how awesome this kid is, below. Money can't buy happiness, but kids can bring innocence, wonder, and a special love into your life. He does need a haircut though.
Besides that, my mom raised me alone and had to start from scratch when I was a year old. So any standard nuclear family shouldn't really have such an excuse as to why they ought not to have kids. Besides, after all the money she spent on me, I turned out to be arguably the best investment she's ever made.
Also, how narcissistic is this thread?
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Nobody's forcing anyone to have kids (which I said earlier), and nobody needs to have them (which I said earlier).
No, being selfish is natural. You just have to bite your tongue as a parent sometimes, and other times, you've got to tell them that making a ferocious mess of things isn't a good idea, and to respect the possessions of others. Unfortunately, that leaves a lot of gray area, which in turn, leads to a lot of not-so-hard or stringent rules. On the other hand, would you really want a household with a book of solid rules? (Hell, Robocop was forced into inaction with 250+ directives!)
You have to allow your kids to be selfish in the right ways and right times and at the right ages, and in turn, you get be selfish, to the point where your kids understand you'd like a little time to yourself. But, materially...there's a lot of things that can be replaced. Accidents happen (all types).
As long as the money situation comes up, it certainly helps out. But in most cases, you're older (and hopefully wiser), which is a bear on the old body; I remember when I could face a day of work after a wild night and a 3 hour's sleep! Can't do that anymore, unless it's a real emergency. So there's at least something to having kids when young, although that's the only compelling thing. I couldn't imagine not having the good sense, judgement, values, and experiences to fall back on that I'd picked up since adulthood and before being a father.
Wasn't my idea; I'd prefer a world with less kids manipulated and/or ignored by people who don't want them. The drawing just sort of justified (to myself) the great things about parenting - nothing else really could compare to that moment, was the point.
Actually, if I'd compelled anyone to run out and copulate at that very moment, I'd probably be scared...
And that's a double edged sword - my attempt at being an F1 driver and setting foot in every country is quite truly on indefinite hold. But you get new adventures; sure, a little more mundane, but saying that your time and life is "wasted" raising a life is never really time lost. I think there was a point where my wife and I implicitly thought that we'd want different challenges.
I'll say this philosophically. Nobody looks back on their time saying:
"I wish I spent more time at the office."
"I wish I watched more TV or movies."
"I wish I played more video games."
"I wish I spent my time going to more bars/clubs."
In fact, live a life you really enjoy, and you'll probably never have to look back on it. At some point, playing the latest edition of XYZ Simulator XXVII seemed like a colossal waste of my time and talents; one day I realized that spending days in front a screen creatively for thirty seconds of satisfaction seemed almost personally regrettable, in a way.
Since we're talking big picture: There's no saying you won't be hit by a meteorite, airplane, hit by a car, be sucked in by a sinkhole - all without leaving your home. You can't predict much of anything, so have a back-up plan for everything (and sometimes, a back-up plan for the back-up plan) and a little optimism help out.
Worrying about what might happen is a sure-fire way to never get what you want out of life; although, exercising judgement is an excellent idea! And if you have nothing really to lose, there shouldn't be much stopping one from trying. The point is, short of creating bomb in your basement, you probably aren't intentionally trying to hurt others while doing what you want to do...I think as you get older, your values change and perhaps your anxiety is channeled in the right places.
Oh, neither am I - staying out of the arms of the law and showing up to work on time is 99% of the responsibility. Even a schmuck like me can get the bills out on time, not burn my house down, pay taxes, and show up to his flights (except that one time), make his appointments on time, and don't be a stupid idiot to your wife, kids, or self.
Keeping your kids from being troublemakers is easy enough for now, since I don't live in a ghetto. Give them dreams, hope, and time to do so really helps a ton.
Having kids is easy, raising them isn't. That's totally understandable; based on that information. Having something that will poop on your floor and talk back to you and can't be put in a cage is a frightening thought, on the face of it. But the worst-kept secret is that parents wing it or go on autopilot most of the time.
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Not sure what to reply to this - although I do get creeped out from the term "your kids" even though it's merely hypothetical. But I sure do agree that the older the parents are, the more responsible they seem to get. I sometimes get guilty pleasure from watching teen moms complain about their difficulties - it's as if they never considered what parenthood is like in reality.
I'd prefer a world where every kid born was wanted. Since I don't want them, I don't see myself unconditionally loving them either - that marks a big difference between me and the parents of this world. Or at least, the parents who actually tried to be parents, and not the "oops" types.
I've been trying to avoid doing things I'll regret later in life. Unfortunately, as a kid I didn't think like that, and some embarrassing memories feel like they will stay forever while the more positive ones disappear. I don't know why.
There's a difference between a random occurrence where I don't play any part (and which I won't even remember because, well, I'm dead), and the feeling of guilt you get when you realize you could've prevented the existence of a school shooter by not conceiving 18 years ago.
I'll probably end up burning down the house if I try to make food... always been years behind my peers in terms of development. Heck, there are a lot of things other people manage to do automatically while I still struggle like a 10-year-old. Kinda pathetic.
...And a middle-class environment sure isn't a guarantee to anything. I know plenty of people who grew up in a similar home to mine and grew into troublemakers.
Yeah... speaking of poop, I'd like none of that in my house. I remember crapping into my bathtub once, was funny back then but in the role of an adult, I would no longer think the same.
I'm a perfectionist, and my dream home has never been filthy, or childproof for the record. (Nice word by the way - it already implies that kids are able to easily mess up any kind of a home unless precautions are taken)
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- Carbonox
I know it's easy to say that from a parental perspective, but like the collection of stamps or playing GTA V, it's not suitable for everyone by default.
Oh please. I think the previous narcissism argument in this very thread shows that parents can be like that too - and sometimes, the very existence of their kids makes them that way.
Personally, I don't like being labeled as a narcissist only because I'm childfree. There's more to my decision than merely the fact I'm selfish and put my own needs ahead of nonexistant kids.
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At the moment I don't see myself having kids. That may change when I get a wife but I don't think it will.
I see kids as just annoying. Annoying to the point where I refuse to watch any home videos of me when I was young as I think I just look stupid.
In fact I consider it my duty not to have children as there are a couple of genetic illnesses in my bloodline.
I see kids as just annoying. Annoying to the point where I refuse to watch any home videos of me when I was young as I think I just look stupid.
In fact I consider it my duty not to have children as there are a couple of genetic illnesses in my bloodline.
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I have a feeling a lot of you younger ones will change your mind in the years to come. From 18-25 more will change about you personally in those years than any other time of your life. You will go from living with mom and dad, to having your own place and your own money (hopefully). I don't care if people want to have children or not, but, if you aren't living on your own yet, it's something that shouldn't even be on your mind. It's like deciding what your first car will be when you are 10. Those decisions can be made when you find the right person.
I'm 28, single, with no kids.
I'm 28, single, with no kids.
Money is the biggest obstacle for us. My wife and I can only just afford what we've got going now; adding a dog to the picture was a bit of a risk, and having a child would be a disaster. It appears to be a trend these days, and so is our plan of considering children when we're in our 30s. We have nothing against the idea itself, really, but currently it's not even on our radar.
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