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grenadeshark
I went with default on both ends.
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Would you mind if I post up a quick-tune for the suspension, if we intend to track the car at the end if this it would be nice if it had a minimal tune on it. We can keep default settings on the LSD.

Also since we are going to run SSR, let's toss on a wing at lowest setting, this will make it less wobbly at speed and make repeat runs easier to duplicate. Since both sets use the same it won't throw off our results.
 
AssassinTuner
Would you mind if I post up a quick-tune for the suspension, if we intend to track the car at the end if this it would be nice if it had a minimal tune on it. We can keep default settings on the LSD.

Also since we are going to run SSR, let's toss on a wing at lowest setting, this will make it less wobbly at speed and make repeat runs easier to duplicate. Since both sets use the same it won't throw off our results.
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I am ok with everything except the wing. :). I have done no testing with the wing and I cannot be sure it won't skew the testing I have already done.

Btw, I am ready whenever.

I am going to be afk for a bit, let me know when you are ready, I'll come back and check every 30 minutes
 
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grenadeshark
I am ok with everything except the wing. :). I have done no testing with the wing and I cannot be sure it won't skew the testing I have already done.

Btw, I am ready whenever.

I am going to be afk for a bit, let me know when you are ready, I'll come back and check every 30 minutes
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Kool, no wing. I'm in a enduro right now lap 22 of 60 @ GVS. I'll have a basic quick tune of the suspension posted up when Bobs done and I drive it for a min or 2.

Are you a rear biased brake guy? Default find or simple 6/4?
 
AssassinTuner
Kool, no wing. I'm in a enduro right now lap 22 of 60 @ GVS. I'll have a basic quick tune of the suspension posted up when Bobs done and I drive it for a min or 2.

Are you a rear biased brake guy? Default find or simple 6/4?
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You can setup the car however you like, I will make the settings work for me 👍 afk for a bit.

EDIT: lol, now that I have finished this car, a bmw m3 04 just showed up in my ucd... I'll do that car another day :)
 
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grenadeshark
You can setup the car however you like, I will make the settings work for me 👍 afk for a bit.

EDIT: lol, now that I have finished this car, a bmw m3 04 just showed up in my ucd... I'll do that car another day :)
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Okay, give bod some time to finish this up, I'll let you know when I'm ready.
 
AssassinTuner
Okay, give bod some time to finish this up, I'll let you know when I'm ready.
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This is what my car looks like after engine rebuild. The way I look at it, if your tune is even close to mine, you win. I spent a good 2 hours fine tuning this car as I was having some trouble at first because of the inability to effectively use the power with the gearsets provided.

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grenadeshark
This is what my car looks like after engine rebuild. The way I look at it, if your tune is even close to mine, you win. I spent a good 2 hours fine tuning this car as I was having some trouble at first because of the inability to effectively use the power with the gearsets provided.
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Naw it's not even a matter of win or lose bro, we are testing systems. We both win.
 
I went ahead and tuned your BMW. It was about 400 times easier to tune as the power curve was flat because of all the detuning. Took me about 10 minutes, but I compared my results to yours.

I am comparing acceleration per gear here. I decided on a little bit smaller top end as the car didn't have the power to make it much past 180 with either tune.

Here are the results.

Your Tune
3.498 12.96009
2.306 8.54373
1.692 6.26886
1.323 4.901715
1.076 3.98658
0.9 3.3345
3.705 F/D
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My Tune
3.739 10.704757
2.824 8.085112
2.193 6.278559
1.75 5.01025
1.434 4.105542
1.22 3.49286
2.863 F/D
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Basically what we are seeing is that you will accelerate a bit harder then me in 1st and 2nd. 3rd we are dead even and 4th on I will pull on you. I also like having a bit lower output in the first two gears as those are the ones you generally have traction problems with. On my test track, I was only ahead by about .150 seconds per 50 second lap. So, no real obvious differences outside of your higher acceleration lower gears and my higher acceleration top end gears.

This is not a good test car as you have it though. A monkey could tune that car in its current condition. My current recommendation is if you are going to keep it at 500 pp, back off the mods a bit. In my opinion, more then 15% detuning on any car is just a waste. I prefer in the 7-10% range. Sometimes lower. Most cars only need about 2500 RPMs at best to play with. You have 3000+.

I'm headed out for the night, I figured this would have happened hours ago. I'll catch you tomorrow or whenever.
 
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grenadeshark
I went ahead and tuned your BMW. It was about 400 times easier to tune as the power curve was flat because of all the detuning. Took me about 10 minutes, but I compared my results to yours.

I am comparing acceleration per gear here. I decided on a little bit smaller top end as the car didn't have the power to make it much past 180 with either tune.

Here are the results.

Your Tune

My Tune

Basically what we are seeing is that you will accelerate a bit harder then me in 1st and 2nd. 3rd we are dead even and 4th on I will pull on you. I also like having a bit lower output in the first two gears as those are the ones you generally have traction problems with. On my test track, I was only ahead by about .150 seconds per 50 second lap. So, no real obvious differences outside of your higher acceleration lower gears and my higher acceleration top end gears.

This is not a good test car as you have it though. A monkey could tune that car in its current condition. My current recommendation is if you are going to keep it at 500 pp, back off the mods a bit. In my opinion, more then 15% detuning on any car is just a waste. I prefer in the 7-10% range. Sometimes lower. Most cars only need about 2500 RPMs at best to play with. You have 3000+.
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There us more to it then that, I'll show you in a bit ;) things are not as cut and dry as your making it out, but first up the Volvo.

I'm ready to post up when you are, and I'll put your M3 through my analyzer while we wait :)
 
AssassinTuner
There us more to it then that, I'll show you in a bit ;) things are not as cut and dry as your making it out, but first up the Volvo.

I'm ready to post up when you are, and I'll put your M3 through my analyzer while we wait :)
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Well the funny thing about the m3 is you can literally change the final gear to 250 mph or 210 mph and you get the exact same results. I mean literally, exactly the same. I have tested it on daytona speedway about 30 times now with different settings.

What do you mean about post up? I thought we were going to race? Are we just racing each others cars?
 
grenadeshark
Well the funny thing about the m3 is you can literally change the final gear to 250 mph or 210 mph and you get the exact same results. I mean literally, exactly the same. I have tested it on daytona speedway about 30 times now with different settings.

What do you mean about post up? I thought we were going to race? Are we just racing each others cars?
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We are posting the settings then analyzing each others gearboxes in real time.

Acceleration test, top speed, first fear launch, a gear speed analysis & a final fun run around s Track.

Tell me when your ready to post your gearbox ;)
 
AssassinTuner
We are posting the settings then analyzing each others gearboxes in real time.

Acceleration test, top speed, first fear launch, a gear speed analysis & a final fun run around s Track.

Tell me when your ready to post your gearbox ;)
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Oh lame. I wanted to go head to head.

I don't even know what a gear speed analysis consists of? What can it prove other then a car being better on one track or another.

I am going to test your car on daytona speedway as that is the most static environment that I know of along with SS7.

I tuned my car on daytona speedway.

Gears

3.220
2.470
1.895
1.453
1.130
.840
3.156 F/D

TS 112

Actual top speed rating, 216.

To make this work. You need to reset to default, Run the gear slider to 5.0, then the TS slider to 112. Once you have done that, move the rear end gear to get the right setting.

Shift points are 7300 in gears 1st to 4th. 7200 to 5th. 7000 to 6th.
 
I went ahead and did the SS7 test. I am happy and unhappy to say that good old fashioned manual tuning won the job here.

Happy because I managed to get an extra 6 mph out of the car. I also stayed with you dead even in 1st through 4th. Once I hit 5th, my car started to pull. By 6th gear, I was handily running away.

Unhappy because of the amount of effort it required me to put in to get this tune. I would rather have a spreadsheet that does it for me!

My top speed 169
Assassin top speed 163

Update

Having completed a lap at Daytona, I am happy to say manual tuning won here again!

My tune put down a lap time of 56.499

Assassins put down a lap time of 57.837
 
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Funny, I haven't ran through the Volvo yet, and I left the wing on, but I'll take it off first. I also have 3 FD's put out, one for speed, one acceleration, one for balance, I put up so far the acceleration one so it will top off at a lower speed but balance out with the other FD, The middle one ;)

Wasn't planning on going to Daytona, I got a Track for after in mind.

But I'll give initial analysis of the Beemer now before I hit the Volvo.

The M3 04

First up, you smothered 1st gear Horribly, it's only good at rolling starts, off the line it doesnt even have a chance bogging down to 3000rpm off a red line launch. Ridiculous. It's so long it causes unneeded down shifts around the track (or bogging from too low a rpm in second) makes it EASIER to drive, but slower. good example of how to fubar first gear to make the car EASY to drive.

Acceleration from a rolling start only it's 1mph behind, top speed we are the same.

From a standing start it's a joke. I leave and keep pulling away to top speed.
 
AssassinTuner
Funny, I haven't ran through the Volvo yet, and I left the wing on, but I'll take it off first. I also have 3 FD's put out, one for speed, one acceleration, one for balance, I put up so far the acceleration one so it will top off at a lower speed but balance out with the other FD, The middle one ;)

Wasn't planning on going to Daytona, I got a Track for after in mind.

But I'll give initial analysis of the Beemer now before I hit the Volvo.

The M3 04

First up, you smothered 1st gear Horribly, it's only good at rolling starts, off the line it doesnt even have a chance bogging down to 3000rpm of a red line launch. Ridiculous. It's so long it causes unneeded down shifts around the track (or bogging from too low a rpm in second) makes it EASIER to drive, but slower.

Acceleration
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I am not sure what you are talking about as I didn't have that problem at all. Mine would rev up head up the tires then drop back to about 4k. When I tested that versus burning your tires up completely, it came back better.

On another note, I tuned the beemer in less then 10 minutes. I didn't care about that car at all as it has a flat power band. There is nothing interesting or hard tuning a car with a completely flat powerband.

As far as the volvo, you didn't out accelerate me with your acceleration tune. So give me your balanced or high speed tune.


Acceleration from a rolling start only it's 1mph behind, top speed we are the same.

From a standing start it's a joke. I leave and keep pulling away to top speed.
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I would like to retest this myself as this is not at all what I saw when I tuned it. How can a car be 1mph apart? That's not even a measuring unit in acceleration. Time and distance are the only measures of acceleration. :)

On another note, stop testing the beemer and start testing the volvo. I don't care about the bmw. I put zero effort into that car.
 
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grenadeshark
I am not sure what you are talking about as I didn't have that problem at all. Mine would rev up head up the tires then drop back to about 4k. When I tested that versus burning your tires up completely, it came back better.
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Not at all, got the car right here.

Launch from red line while holding the brakes you bog down to 3000rpm, my set up drops to 4500rpm and gets out the gate much quicker.
 
The Volvos FD's

If your going to lock in and only test with one use the balanced one.

3.967 (Volvo) not Beemer.

At this FD we top off the same, Still running it.
 
AssassinTuner
Not at all, got the car right here.

Launch from red line while holding the brakes you bog down to 3000rpm, my set up drops to 4500rpm and gets out the gate much quicker.
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Test the volvo... I literally made the beemer while I was waiting around. So far in every measurable test, my volvo outdid yours. I would like to see your opinion of the matter.
 
From the rolling start launch at ssr7 I hit 1mph faster at the same marker consistently. Then we top off at the same speed in the Tunnel.

I'm much further doing a standing start.
 
AssassinTuner
From the rolling start launch at ssr7 I hit 1mph faster at the same marker consistently. Then we top off at the same speed in the Tunnel.

I'm much further doing a standing start.
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Something must be up there. My car left yours seconds behind before the first marker.

I will try your balanced car after this. Stop talking in MPH.

Time and distance are the only measures of acceleration. MPH doesn't mean anything.
 
grenadeshark
Test the volvo... I literally made the beemer while I was waiting around. So far in every measurable test, my volvo outdid yours. I would like to see your opinion of the matter.
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Did you use 3.967??? Have another look ;)

Daytona laps are useless, are we looking for Top Speed only? The TS tuner will do just as good as the 2 of us. It's useless to run laps there, we just need to compare max speed.

Acceleration then usability
 
AssassinTuner
Did you use 3.967??? Have another look ;)

Daytona laps are useless, are we looking for Top Speed only? The TS tuner will do just as good as the 2 of us. It's useless to run laps there, we just need to compare max speed.
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No it doesn't. SS7 is fine to test as well. But, it matters how long it takes you to get to your top speed, not just top speed.

It matters how much time it takes you to cross X distance.

My car left your behind time wise on my tests. That's what I am going to look at with your balanced rear end.

I am eating dinner right now so it will be a minute.

I swear, get PSN so we can settle this :)
 
grenadeshark
No it doesn't. SS7 is fine to test as well. But, it matters how long it takes you to get to your top speed, not just top speed.

It matters how much time it takes you to cross X distance.

My car left your behind time wise on my tests. That's what I am going to look at with your balanced rear end.
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Yeah no kidding there buddy ;) we also are doing acceleration test.

Your tossing the Beemer up f-Ed up the simplicity of these test as I'm bouncing 2 cars with 2 tunes.

I'm going to set aside the Beemer because you want me to look at the Volvo.

So one sec, but I would suggest you try out the 3.967 FD as I do so.

I've yet to drive the car, leaving Bob break it in and wanting the program to produce the tune, that's why the 3 FD's with different uses.

4.441
3.967
3.492

Il jump in for a drive now and put the Beemer down for the moment.


I could use a spare PS3 right now.
 

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