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The definitive GT5 transmission tuning guide.
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You are incapable of reading something that someone else writes aren't you? Dispute my videos. I've already disputed yours.
In your video, i hit 160 at 36.750, a good second ahead of you. This is the point I was making the whole time. Your 5th gear is stronger then mine, but my 6th gear caught up to you. The point you tend to miss what the second one. Yes, I agreed that you pulled on me in 5th gear. But, I then pulled on you in 6th.
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Agreed. In your video, you are in front of me. Your video never documents what I have been saying this whole time is while you did pull on me in 5th, I pulled on you in 6th and caught up to a stalemate until you hit 170.
I can easily remedy that issue with a small gearing tweak. You drove the car I tuned for daytona. I am happy with my performance and most of what you said I think is utter bs. It was nice doing this, but I just can't deal with someone who refuses to at least look at the other points of views.
I feel like I have given you my full attention reading your every post and considering that versus my opinion and then making an argument. You half read my posts, don't dispute what I have said and then make a new one.
I am bored with you sir. Good day.
P.S. I still think you have a nice top end tune there. I could live with either one.
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Does that car do 170? Because ours do... I have no idea what gears or mods you used to achieve that so I am not going to even consider that as evidence
. Nonetheless, if you did manage that with a top speed of 169, I would love to see the tune P.S. I play on a 54 inch flat screen. You play on a 1994 tube tv. I WIN
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Of course it does, it's only at 6100 rpm in sixth at 160.Does that car do 170? Because ours do... I have no idea what gears or mods you used to achieve that so I am not going to even consider that as evidence
Then I'll give you an old fashioned "EPIC FAIL" badge. 👍Does that car do 170? Because ours do... I have no idea what gears or mods you used to achieve that so I am not going to even consider that as evidence
P.S. I play on a 54 inch flat screen. You play on a 1994 tube tv. I WIN
I have no idea what mods you installed either, I already said this, but you ignored until you were no longer winning.
And of course, if all else fails, talk about what a better tv you have, somethings gotta win for you.
FYI it's a 2008 flat screen tube tv.
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Dude when I start pulling on you in 5th I get in front, 6th Is a stale mate as I don't pull on you anymore until 169mph, but you STAY behind me you NEVER catch up EVER I just stop pulling away from you while still in front......
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Share it and add me. We can verify this of course
We'll do this tomorrow. I would really like to drive your car. I will share mine tomorrow as well.
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Think you can handle not shifting way past the power band? 💡Share it and add me. We can verify this of course
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CSLACR
The specs we are running are on page 24
What are you running ( parts installed)?
I'd like to compare with you if we can keep it real and no running around like Charlie "winning"
Like I tried to say earlier but somebody had to get all premature with their "I won" BS... Only to get the gearing smack down.
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CSLACR
Naw we are on SS tires (at least I am, and we are supposed to be) Grab some SS tires for the comparison. Default LSD settings, no wing. No limiting, no turbo upgrades & Engine Tuning Stage 1 only, Then Post up.
I was under the impression we were going to use the same suspension tune, but I figure it's all good so long as I keep the setting the same aside from gears and default LSD settings for testing.
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CSLACR
Everything But;
No turbo upgrades
Engine Tuning Stage 1 only
Default LSD settings
No limiting
No chassis reinforcement (I don't know, that was Grenade, it holds higher speeds in corners with it)
Sport Soft Tires
Everything else installed
Edit
Fully Broken in and repaired
It ends up
336hp @ 5700rpm
309ft-lb @ 4700rpm
1186kg
Power to weight 3.48 kg/hp
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CSLACR
Just a FYI
This is what I got off RH tires no other change.
First run, could get a lil better if I actually calculate my shift points
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Interesting, I just pulled a 36.467 off 329HP, I need an oil change, and it'll be up to power soon, and I suspect running 36.1 or lower again, on SS's.
Either way, we can't "prove" anything because there are undetectable modifications at play.
Edit: 335HP, close enough for me, car is on share.
Yes, that's 35.100, on sports soft tires, minimum weight, 335 hp off mods listed, and just gearing changes.
Gearing:
Set final drive to 4286
Set top speed to 112 mph
Set final drive to 2030
3440
2710
2190
1770
1457
1242
Shift points:
6800
6600
6600
6500
6400 (147 mph)
Either way, we can't "prove" anything because there are undetectable modifications at play.
Edit: 335HP, close enough for me, car is on share.
Yes, that's 35.100, on sports soft tires, minimum weight, 335 hp off mods listed, and just gearing changes.
Gearing:
Set final drive to 4286
Set top speed to 112 mph
Set final drive to 2030
3440
2710
2190
1770
1457
1242
Shift points:
6800
6600
6600
6500
6400 (147 mph)
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CSLACRInteresting, I just pulled a 36.467 off 329HP, I need an oil change, and it'll be up to power soon, and I suspect running 36.1 or lower again, on SS's.
Either way, we can't "prove" anything because there are undetectable modifications at play.
Edit: 335HP, close enough for me, car is on share.
Yes, that's 35.100, on sports soft tires, minimum weight, 335 hp off mods listed, and just gearing changes.
Gearing:
Set final drive to 4286
Set top speed to 112 mph
Set final drive to 2030
3440
2710
2190
1770
1457
1242
Shift points:
6800
6600
6600
6500
6400 (147 mph)
Those seem like good shift points. I should Try them when I get home. It's not exactly a race to 160mph, have you done any comparison runs?
I haven't plotted shift points beyond what was feeling alright, I'll give yours a shot, seems right on the money for this spec though.
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had a quick 30min for preliminary Test, more after work.
The best I could do with both our cars was side by side all the way to 6th, then I get a foot on you until the Turn, we are both at 164mph when I hit the brakes using your shift points on both cars, except I hold off on grabbing 6th until 151 to 153mph (in my car). Then you run a foot ahead of me on another run, back and forth like this. No big difference.
You completely choked out 1st, From a stand still it's hilarious, the only one of the 3 to bog down so low, the low end grunt can't take it. Honestly for me, that kills it completely.
I lightly tweaked the suspension so my numbers (for all 3 must be under yours CSL with your suspension (or simply default)) they should all be quicker in your hands. When I do my testing using your shift points, it's not hitting that mark, and when keeping my test uniform, I pass you in 6th with a good shift. The following run, I sit a foot behind you. The results should be the same across the board if testing on all 3 is uniform, Using tuner shift points as listed.
Should I default my suspension to recreate your speed? Just to note I'm running my 3.967Fd Edit, I've redone both on default settings same results, us side by side, still haven't hit your 160mph mark. (is it on the second lap or something?) or did you take out the rear Toe?
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I haven't been able to top our side by side run in either car, I got a foot on you, that's about it but I did hit 170mph in mine while I only hit 169mph in your Tune.
Had a few more runs, basically we go side by side up to The Turn literally side by side. On one run I got a foot on you, on another you have a foot on me, both of us ahead of Grenade. I will just top off at 170mph when you top off at 169mph, but it tajes all of SSR7 to get there and it's nothing big.
From a stand still, it's not a race at all, you don't come close because of choking out first gear (it's actually surprisingly worse than Grenades M3's first gear).This limits the usability of the gearbox, especially for racing, hot lapping might not make much of a difference as long as there are mostly fast corners. I'd hate to be forced wide, off the line, or heaven forbid make a mistake. there is absolutely NO advantage to having such a long first gear, and many disadvantages under various circumstances.
From a Roll we are pretty much dead even.
Im going to run Grenades car a few more times and play around with the shift points too see if it can't do better. It will have to wait till I'm done working.
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Interesting, I just pulled a 36.467 off 329HP, I need an oil change, and it'll be up to power soon, and I suspect running 36.1 or lower again, on SS's.
Either way, we can't "prove" anything because there are undetectable modifications at play.
Edit: 335HP, close enough for me, car is on share.
Yes, that's 35.100, on sports soft tires, minimum weight, 335 hp off mods listed, and just gearing changes.
Gearing:
Set final drive to 4286
Set top speed to 112 mph
Set final drive to 2030
3440
2710
2190
1770
1457
1242
Shift points:
6800
6600
6600
6500
6400 (147 mph)
I tried to borrow your car, but its making 391 hp and you changed the wheels out and its not broken in
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grenadesharkI tried to borrow your car, but its making 391 hp and you changed the wheels out and its not broken in
Try adjusting your shift points, I think it will go faster (your tune) with better shifting. Im not at home to try it out, but it's worth a shot.
I'm shifting lower & got faster when I used CSLACRs shift points (except 6th) that are lower then what I was using, and CSLACR and I are side by side.
You most probably will get better results shifting lower like us.
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I noticed assassins critique on your low end gearing again was off base. I was able to get nice heat without bogging in 1st gear. I would probably pop it up to 3.602
With this setting, you get a flash of red while accelerating, but it backs off to a clean white. Assassin seems to think if you aren't bouncing off the rev limiter with your tires sitting red for the entire first gear, then you are not accelerating.
News flash. You lose grip when your tires go red, not gain it... That's why I insisted on you getting PSN.
On another note, I like your gear set GTP_CSL. I was never able to get mine to fit like that so I ended up going with higher rpm shift points and farther drop back.
With this setting, you get a flash of red while accelerating, but it backs off to a clean white. Assassin seems to think if you aren't bouncing off the rev limiter with your tires sitting red for the entire first gear, then you are not accelerating.
News flash. You lose grip when your tires go red, not gain it... That's why I insisted on you getting PSN.
On another note, I like your gear set GTP_CSL. I was never able to get mine to fit like that so I ended up going with higher rpm shift points and farther drop back.
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Must not of understood "Bog" down
It plummets below boost with a full throttle launch every time, I'll make a vid and quote the rpm it drops too when I get home. Doesn't spin the wheels at all, HORRIBLE acceleration out the gate. No kidding raising his FD would fix that, but Fubar his top end.
It's better for him to keep his FD and just shorten up first, what's with all the backwards tuning? You want to change ALL gears to fix 1 gear? Crazy, just address the issue directly
....Yours is fine in the C30. Horrible in the M3, but CSLs C30 is worse than your M3.
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I just tested his car seconds ago. That did not happen to me. When I changed his first gear up just a slight bit, I had no problems at all.
Just because the car backs down to 4000 RPMs does not mean it is bogging down. I am paying attention to tire spin. If your tires are spinning in the red for more then about a second, then you need to back off the throttle. His never hits red. When I move it up to 3.602, it hits red for just the right amount of time.
I want to point out he used the exact same method to tune his car as I do. I went through my method with his shift points and everything fits fine. I just failed to capitalize as well as he did. I had too far out shift points and drop back RPMs.
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Oh, I'm sorry, when you changed something you had no problem?!?!? Like I said it's too long (too low a number) and needs to be raised. When running the Tune as posted It bogs down first.....
Just so you understand clearly, it drops RPM too low and acceleration out the gate is horrible. Not until it starts making a good amount of boost does it start to pick up.
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His current settings are a bit slow, but the car doesn't die. It never gets the tires in the red, but it still spins them. Do your zero to 60 tests and video tape it. I think youll be surprised just how well these cars that bog down do compared to red tire launches.
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They are very slow, slower then necessary, and at no benefit. Seems fixing first gear should be done.....
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They are very slow, slower then necessary, and at no benefit. Seems fixing first gear should be done.....
It only took .16 to put him where I call the sweet spot. From his 3.44 to my 3.602. Like I said, video tape it and post up. I want to see this bogging you are talking about.
I also want to see speed and elapsed time it takes to reach speed with both types of launches. The "Bog" launch as you call it and the "red tire" launch as I call it.
