The dominant car in GT5
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Let's the LFA
* high-revving 552bhp V10 - 354 lb-ft of torque
* 6-speed Automated Sequential Gearbox
* Front Engine RWD
* drag coefficient of 0.31
* WEIGHTS (kg)
Kerb weight: 1,480 - 1,580 kg
Gross vehicle weight: 1,700/1,750 kg
* 0-60 in 3.7sec and on way to 201mph
GTR Spec V
* 3.8-litre 480bhp twin turbo V6, 428 lb-ft of torque
* GR6 dual-clutch transmission
* Front mid AWD
* drag coefficient of 0.27
* kerb Weight 1,670Kg
* 0-60 in 3.5sec and on way to 195mph
Corvette ZR1
* 6.2 Supercharged V8 - 622 hp, 595 lb-ft of torque
* 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds
* 0-100 mph in 7.0 seconds
* Weight 1,519 kg
* Top speed of 205 mph
Judging by the numbers alone, I don't see either car keeping up with the ZR1, let alone the Viper ACR.
The ZR1 is lighter, has more hp and gobs more torque. The ACR in comparison also has tons of power, plus an aerodynamic advantage.
The ZR1 is without doubt an extremely powerful and fast car but the numbers dont give the full story. Looking at the video of it's record lap of the ring it is a bit of a handful so it would take a very talented driver to get consistently fast times from it.
I'm still looking forward to trying it out though.
I'm still looking forward to trying it out though.
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If the t/c in the LFA, allows the engine to put it's bhp & torque down efficiently not spinning it away, the LFA could win vs the ZR1.If not then the Lexus could smell tyre smoke.
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Well, since people are mentioning tiers all of a sudden, I'm going to throw on my opinion on that. I don't think a single "High Tier" Supercar has been mentioned.*
I think something like an Enzo is mid class, very firmly. Something like the Gumpert Apollo, the theoretical Saleen S7 (I say that because Saleen has some amazing claims, but no one wants to thoroughly test the thing), Mosler MT900 GTR, and Radical SR8 (probably even higher than high tier) are all much faster.
I have nothing against Ferrari, but 3000 lbs and 660 hp isn't all that impressive, and no where near the limit of street car design.
As for the LFA, I can see it competing with the ZR1. Sure it might be worse on paper, but nothing on that stat chart up there has much to do with cornering. The ZR1 can grip well in the turns, but the Vette isn't completely sorted out, the suspension could be better. The ACR will probably be a bit too quick for the LFA though, perhaps the 458 as well.
* OK someone said Zonda, that might count, though when Evo compared the Enzo and Zonda F, the Pagani didn't really have much to show for its weight advantage.
I think something like an Enzo is mid class, very firmly. Something like the Gumpert Apollo, the theoretical Saleen S7 (I say that because Saleen has some amazing claims, but no one wants to thoroughly test the thing), Mosler MT900 GTR, and Radical SR8 (probably even higher than high tier) are all much faster.
I have nothing against Ferrari, but 3000 lbs and 660 hp isn't all that impressive, and no where near the limit of street car design.
As for the LFA, I can see it competing with the ZR1. Sure it might be worse on paper, but nothing on that stat chart up there has much to do with cornering. The ZR1 can grip well in the turns, but the Vette isn't completely sorted out, the suspension could be better. The ACR will probably be a bit too quick for the LFA though, perhaps the 458 as well.
* OK someone said Zonda, that might count, though when Evo compared the Enzo and Zonda F, the Pagani didn't really have much to show for its weight advantage.
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Back in 2003, there really wasn't anything that was close to it though. And that's where a lot of people under estimate it.
Most of the cars that have beaten the Enzo are much newer. Technology has advanced a lot in the 8 years since the Enzo's development & release. Ferrari themselves have already surpassed it with the F430S. Give it time & I'm positive Ferrari could bring out something very close to the Gumpert.
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Some of the late 90's GT1 road cars were more extreme. There were also occasionally things like this
http://www.supercars.net/cars/126.html
Ultima has been around a while right? I don't quite remember when the first GTR's rolled out, but it was close to 2003.
I think Ferrari could have stomped the Gumpert in 03, they just didn't want to. The Enzo was only designed to be so fast, and Ferrari achieved their goal.
http://www.supercars.net/cars/126.html
Ultima has been around a while right? I don't quite remember when the first GTR's rolled out, but it was close to 2003.
I think Ferrari could have stomped the Gumpert in 03, they just didn't want to. The Enzo was only designed to be so fast, and Ferrari achieved their goal.
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There was an episode of TG, comparing supercars from the Maggie Thatcher era with some newly made supercars ( Mclaren F1, XJ220, F40 vs SLR, Zonda F, Enzo ) & them 3 were quicker than the most recent 3.They aren't as quiet, refined & are harder to drive fast.Ultimately though i'd say they are more fun, of these 6 chosen.
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F70...
The Fxx was loosely based on the Enzo/F60, but i don't think thats road legal. I bet they're trialling some of the technologies/methods in that car that they were planning on putting in an F70.
That was a Clarkson DVD i think. If i remember rightly, they only tested the XJ220 against the Zonda in a drag race, and the Jag won by a not too large margin. But i'm pretty sure it was the early standard Zonda which only has around ~400bhp. Plus despite being made of Carbon Fibre, i think they said it was heavier because it had to conform to safety regulations which didn't exist when the XJ220 was conceived. They then proceeded to say on a track the Zonda would absolutely trounce it, which it would.
They didn't test the F1 vs SLR or the F40 vs Enzo, JC only reviewed them. The F1 would easily beat the SLR in a drag race but it wouldn't win on the track despite being a lot lighter. The F40 vs Enzo was probably much the same, although the drag race may not have had the same result.
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Ooops it's the Mclaren F1, Porsche Carrera GT, Enzo, Zonda S, F40 & the XJ220.Don't know where the SLR was in the filming 
.This was from one of the TG episodes.
Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qvHJBMHK8&feature=related
.This was from one of the TG episodes.Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3qvHJBMHK8&feature=related
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Just hoping i don't have to do the Team America secret signal 
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.Just hoping i don't have to do the Team America secret signal
Haha
Definitely don't want to do a Jason Plato!
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According to me
Lower: SLS AMG, GTR, F430, Regular Gallardo, Z06, SLR Mclaren, Audi R8,
Middle Tier: Gallardo 560-4, F430 Scuderia, Murciélago LP640, RUF RT-12 ,Lexus LFA, Ford GT
Upper Tier: Enzo, 458, ACR, ZR1, LP670-SV,Pagani Zonda F, RUF CTR3 (I'm praying for it...), Bugatti Veyron, McLaren F1 , CCX
I added some cars in red. I do like your list, but I think the SLR could be bumped up. And I still maintain the LFA won't be in the highest tier. I feel like it'll be sitting near the threshold, but never quite there. Also, what about the Z06? Do you think it could keep up with those in the middle tier?
Oh, and yes! The CTR3 and RT-12 need to be in the game.
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Surely Jason Potatoe was wearing a helmet, fire proof under clothing, a race suit & gloves etc.I didn't see a mark on him, when filming Fifth Gear.
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Exorcet that's arrogant isn't it eh.From you i mean Exorcet.
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Are you serious? They were just lazy. Ferrari of all people knew that it wouldn't take long for someone to surpass them.
Yes, they made a car that would be the fastest at the time. Saying making it better would be useless, is just, well, you know. Afterall, they did the whole fxx thing didn't they? Souped up track only enzo to beat up on the newer cars.
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The dominant car will most likely be some lame car like the Clio instead of some beast like a Ferrari F50. The pp system in GT5P is so messed up most cars couldn't get within 2-4 seconds of it.
Not everyone will race the dominate car, but for every 16 car race in GT5 you can expect at least 2 or 3 "clios" racing off into the distance \
I know this will happen in GT5 so I'll be racing series like SuperGT, IRL, NASCAR, where I know the cars are identical or within a few tenths of eachother.
I'll also be a fan of fixed setup races, as I dont feel like getting stomped by someone who spent hours upon hours fine tuning a seteup for a particular track. I'll spend hours upon hours fine tuning a setup for a league race, but as for pickup races I just want to jump in and race for the most part.
Not everyone will race the dominate car, but for every 16 car race in GT5 you can expect at least 2 or 3 "clios" racing off into the distance \
I know this will happen in GT5 so I'll be racing series like SuperGT, IRL, NASCAR, where I know the cars are identical or within a few tenths of eachother.
I'll also be a fan of fixed setup races, as I dont feel like getting stomped by someone who spent hours upon hours fine tuning a seteup for a particular track. I'll spend hours upon hours fine tuning a setup for a league race, but as for pickup races I just want to jump in and race for the most part.
If there's only one car that's ahead of the pack and pretty-much everything else is 2 seconds behind it, I'd say the pp calculations are pretty good, and there's a dud variable somewhere inside the Clio. Take the Clio out of the equation, and you've got a 16 car grid full of everything that's pretty close.
One outlying example doesn't mean the system is completely broken, especially considering the racing was so close.
He had a helmet on but just a long sleved shirt so no race suit, fire proofs or gloves....he was a baked potatoe!
Saw him in BTCC and he looked pretty messed up but obviously nothing too serious to leave scars.
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