The Enduro Test I - Loss of Power

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I originally intended to make a test to confirm my assumption that cars in GT4 can have a maximum loss of ca. 9,7 % (with +/-0,3 % tolerance) of their original power. This also applies to cars like the four black race cars.

I started the test and went to sleep and came back when the car had run 8300 km. I found out that the car does not reach its minimum after 8500 km as stated in this forum - it's much later. I collected enough data to make a graphic. Unfortunately I missed the first 8300 km, which means my graphic was incomplete. So later I decided to repeat the test up to the point of 8300 km (same conditions of course). Results were a bit surprising to me. Here are some facts:

Goals:
- finding out when a car reaches its minimum power
- confirm loss of power is ca. 9,7 %
- in addition: collect data of first 8300 km for graphic

Car: AMG Mercedes CLK-GTR '98, new (0 km, 797 PS), no mods, only high speed setting (two different ones on first an second test)

Track: Test Course

Driver: B-Spec

Collected data:
- distance in km
- power in PS (hp)

Results:
- 48 marks of distance and power recorded
- loss begins at about 1000 or 1100 km
- dropping is linear in 3 sections, there is a remarkable steep drop between 5300 km and 6300 km with a loss of 1 PS per 25 km, while before and after it is about 1 PS per 270 km
- minimum is assumed to be reached when the power doesn't drop further over a distance of 1000 km
- minimum of the CLK-GTR is 719 PS after ca. 11300 km, that's a loss of 9,79% (which corresponds to my assumptions)
- after reaching 8306 km in my first test (I slept) the power had dropped to 730 PS, in the second test (different setup with slightly higher speed) it was 731 PS, it's visible as a little bump in the graphic
- after the test the car was still absolutely clean, rigidity refresher had became available, oil turned black
- car had lost 10,6 % (78750 Cr.) of its original value
- lap times in this particular constellation became ca. 3 s slower due to loss



New assumptions:
- I'm pretty sure other cars would show other characteristics, e. g. my Playstation Pescarolo C60 '04 at 8900 km has lost about 8 %, while the CLK-GTR from this test had lost over 8,5 % at that distance
- loss may depend on driving style: this was a test with constant speed and almost no acceleration, no crashes and little changing stress on the car, in a real race the loss of power may be different
- note the steep drop occures at a distance that corresponds to the final phase of a 24 h Le Mans race (if car started brand new) - should that make our races more exciting?

So I got the answers I was looking for. Maybe I will repeat this test with another car, R8 or Speed 8 (I like them with less power 'cause it would be more realistic). Feel free to do this test with your car and let me know what you find out about your engine characteristics!
 
Nice study... actually, I'm pretty sure power loss would be greater if the car were redlined all the time... it's one thing I noticed back in GT3... the red oil light would come on quickly in a series if you just happened to run at the test track for a long time at redline, but would only come on after a few more races if you skipped that one.
 
niky
Nice study... actually, I'm pretty sure power loss would be greater if the car were redlined all the time... it's one thing I noticed back in GT3... the red oil light would come on quickly in a series if you just happened to run at the test track for a long time at redline, but would only come on after a few more races if you skipped that one.


too late to check now - but i am fairly sure GT only models engine mileage for its power loss. You will find that a car travels a lot further in 10 minutes at the test track (redline or otherwise) than 30 minutes at most other tracks. Give it a try and see what you find.
 
May just look and see. Have a bunch of other things going on right now, but I have enough cash for a brand new race car.
 
I don't know if redline makes a difference. My transmission was set so the engine was always running closely but constantly below redline.

Currently I'm trying to find out if the following theory is true:

Once you change oil from standard to "GT Special" the maximum loss you can reach is about 5 %, you can never get back to 9,7 %.

This is the case with my black 787B. Original 787B is 803 PS (new), used 787B has 725 PS. I changed oil for GT World Championship and with fresh "GT Special" it got almost back to original power, namely 801 PS. Now more than 1000 km had passed and power won't go below 763 PS (oil is becomming darker). I'll have to see how this developes... I hope it goes back to 725 PS soon...
 
niky
Nice study... actually, I'm pretty sure power loss would be greater if the car were redlined all the time... it's one thing I noticed back in GT3... the red oil light would come on quickly in a series if you just happened to run at the test track for a long time at redline, but would only come on after a few more races if you skipped that one.
You need to change your oil based on mileage. If you're on the test course running at top speed, you're going to cover that mileage a lot faster than on another track. I don't think your RPM matters, it's mileage. Test it out if you want though. Try running at redline in first, then try running at 2000rpm in 6th and see which one needs oil first :)
 
JTSnooks
If you're on the test course running at top speed, you're going to cover that mileage a lot faster than on another track. I don't think your RPM matters, it's mileage. Test it out if you want though.

Gosh darn that's a great idea.
 
Nice effort. The 8,500 figure refers to miles (at least in the original and reliable test). It may later have been misquoted as km.

8,500 miles = 13,680 km which is closer to your mark. I have also noticed power reduction seems to stop sooner than this but it depends where it is measured. If you are using b-spec to do this then b-spec miles (from status screen <> odometer distance for the car. There may also be conversion errors between miles and km in the game.

Also - rpm are critical to engine wear - if you are not in the red line you will not get power reductions - almost 100,000 km in a 🤬 2CV left that lesson indelibly marked on my soul.
 
Moloch_horridus
Also - rpm are critical to engine wear - if you are not in the red line you will not get power reductions - almost 100,000 km in a 🤬 2CV left that lesson indelibly marked on my soul.

Yes, but in GT4 engine wear is purely mileage based. you can test this - run test track with your car redlining the whole way around - then change your top gear so that you aren't red lining and you will find that the power loss is based on how far you travel, not how long you are red lining.

Also worth noting is that the fuel consumption is based on power of the engine and mileage - not engine revs.
 

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