The Engine Thread

[Ottoman]

Sounds to me like what you saw were clowns with more car than talent, instead.



I.E. "Fixing" the race so the slower car wins.



Actually, mid 12s is an average time for a Z06 on street tires. The good guys get them into the 11s, bone stock. Add a set of DRs and its steady 11s all day long.



Again, what you've seen are drivers with more car than talent.



Link to video, please?


M

here u go buddy

http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=425&p=3

take it from the source...

like i said it mighta been the drivers i seen.. but this is Best motoring.. these guys are all pro's...

 

[Chevelle SS]

i agree.. the handi cap is to put the cars next to each other when they're in the corners head to head so that it's not an open road for one car to keep goin...

You don't see what I'm saying, I'm not for the handicap. If a car can't keep up on the straightaway, it has too keep up in the corners, we're all agreed on that. But what you don't seem to think that straightaway performance is an issue, the fact of the matter is that in a real race, straightaway performance does matter, and no, they don't coddle the great handling, low-powered cars. Every car has to fight equally to win, using their advantage to the fullest, whether that be in the corners or in the straightaways, let the fastest car win. That's how the real world works, real races don't use handicaps, if a car can't make it head to head in the corners, then it doesn't deserve to go head to head in the corners.

I.E. "Fixing" the race so the slower car wins.

Exactly, this is what I meant.

i've seen C5's and Z06's launch.. they just sit in one spot and burn...

What were those guys smoking besides tires?

i don't get your ferrari point u seem to contradict yourself...

What I meant was that ripping apart Lambo's and Ferrari's doesn't prove that Best Motoring does not have a bias, last I checked, Ferrari and Lambo were Italian, not Japanese.

 

[daan]

like i said it mighta been the drivers i seen.. but this is Best motoring.. these guys are all pro's...

As I've posted somewhere before, the Best Motoring guys will be driving NSXs, Evos, GT-Rs constantly and will know how to get the best from them. They won't be able to drive other cars as well as they won't be driving them as often.

 

[High-Test]

I'm surprised nobody has said a thing about the mightiest F1 engine ever, the C Ford Cosworth DFV. It won over 150 times, and was still going strong from it's creation in the 60's to its last races in the 80's.


Imagine one of those in a civic..... ultimate sleeper.

 

[Ottoman]

You don't see what I'm saying, I'm not for the handicap. If a car can't keep up on the straightaway, it has too keep up in the corners, we're all agreed on that. But what you don't seem to think that straightaway performance is an issue, the fact of the matter is that in a real race, straightaway performance does matter, and no, they don't coddle the great handling, low-powered cars. Every car has to fight equally to win, using their advantage to the fullest, whether that be in the corners or in the straightaways, let the fastest car win. That's how the real world works, real races don't use handicaps, if a car can't make it head to head in the corners, then it doesn't deserve to go head to head in the corners.


Exactly, this is what I meant.


What were those guys smoking besides tires?


What I meant was that ripping apart Lambo's and Ferrari's doesn't prove that Best Motoring does not have a bias, last I checked, Ferrari and Lambo were Italian, not Japanese.

sorry when i said "ripping" i meant thrashing the gear boxes and and redlining and taking the car to the edge.. not "ripping" as in raggin on the car for being poor which is what i think u thought i meant... so i meant it as a Point that Best motoring take all cars to the limit and to their fullest not only Japanese ones... so maybe it's not so bias...

instead of the handicap.. do u think they should all just start next to each other in a mad scramble? or do it F1 Style with qualifiying for pole position and such? i think they have to keep audience entermainment value too..
I agree with no Handicap the race would be more "equal" but perhaps less entertaining... it's hard to please everyone i suppose

 

[Ottoman]

As I've posted somewhere before, the Best Motoring guys will be driving NSXs, Evos, GT-Rs constantly and will know how to get the best from them. They won't be able to drive other cars as well as they won't be driving them as often.

the best motoring guys are all former or current race car drivers... I think they would have enough Experience with powerful RWD cars to handle a Vette... i'm sure the learning curve for a pro must be pretty small...

unfortunately the Z06 was never sold in Japan.. so they can only compare with the C5... pity really...

 

[Firebird]

First off this debate started off completely on the wrong foot

You'll have to watch what you say next time. In case you didn't know the rest of us can see what you post, and can debunk your claims if we're so inclined.

u're comparing a midrange nissan 6 cyl engine.. to the best Chevy has to offer..

Nope. We're comparing the top-of-the-line flagship models of each brand. If the 350Z isn't the brand's flagship, what is? The Frontier pickup truck?

which has 2.2 ltrs more of displacement and 2 more cyl's so it's totally bias in the first place...

Well, this is at least a reasonable assessment. Then again, three more camshafts, continously variable valve timing and lift and eight more valves should make up for some of those 2,167 cubic centimetres.

if the LS6 is at "light" as u claim it is.. are u including engine AND transmission?

Why would I include the weight of the transmission? I thought we were talking about engines, not gearboxes.

and care to explain why on earth camaro's and vette's are so "front heavy"

Weight distribution (f/r):
Corvette ZO6: 53/47
Corvette Coupe: 51/49
'02 Camaro Z28 Coupe: 56/44
350Z: 53/47
M3 Coupe: 50/50 (actually 50.3/49.7, but it might as well be rounded off)
M3 Cabriolet: 49/51

and are good for nothing but straight line performance.. where as u can take a 350Z from the show room and it'll be competing with m3's on the circuit...

I'm not even dignifying this level of ignorance with a counterpoint.

in fact of all the Best Motoring reviews.. i've yet to see them even bother throwing in a C5 or Z06 against the 350Z m3's Carrera2's Evo's etc...no point

You'll have to forgive me. I've never heard of "Best Motoring". In any case, I cannot tell you their motivations for exclusion of the ZO6. Perhaps all-out embarrassment of the rest of the field at the hand of the Corvette? Just kidding of course.

and if the LS1/LS6 is Smaller then VQ as u claim..

It's actually a little longer than the VQ, but is (relatively) far shorter. The VQ's DOHC heads are huge.

why on earth the is engine hood sooo god damn long?

Beats me. Ask General Motors.

and it deffinately aint empty inside the hood of the camaro or vette...

Ironic, since the Camaro and Corvette both employ "front-midships" engine placement, just as the 350Z does. The Corvette's pop-up headlights and associated motors certainly add a lot of length, as does the Camaro's very large air intake. The engine in both sit behind the front axle.

vette is alot bigger then the 350Z, hell even my GTR is smaller then the Vette's and camaros'...

Height (in metres):
R34 GT-R: 1.360
350Z: 1.310
Corvette: 1.212

Width (in metres):
Corvette: 1.869
350Z: 1.816
R34 GT-R: 1.785

Length (in metres):
R34 GT-R: 4.600
Corvette: 4.566
350Z: 4.310


Whether you meant size of the vehicle or length of the hood was not clear. If it is the entire car, see above. If it was the length of the hood, I can't say. The Corvette and Camaro more than likely have longer hoods (tip of the car to A-pillar). Not that this has anything to do with engines, but whatever.

once again HP/ltr point out EFFECIENCY I.E. how many liters of displacement do i need to make a given HP.. the LS1 takes 5.7 litrs to make 325 HP... the M3 makes it in 3.2 hell the E36 m3 since 1995 was makin that much power.... that means it took 2.5 ltrs LESS to make the even MORE power .. soo assuming everything was equal... take the the m3 (not even CSL) was also 5.7 ltrs it would make 610 hp

You can't assume everything is equal because nothing is equal. And it isn;t measuring effieciency whatsoever. True engine effieciency would involve the comparison of the amount of air physically inhaled into the engine's combustion chambers to the theoretical maximum (displacement). This is actually called volumetric efficiency. Both the VQ35DE and LS6 have near-100% volumetric efficiencies.

controversly conversely... if the Chevy was only 3.2 ltrs then it would only make a very pathetic 182 hp... and your precious LS6 would make 227hp... THAT is my point...

But the LS6 doesn't make 227hp, it makes 405. That is my point.

so when i said "lb for lb" reffering to the boxing term..

Which I interpreted literally, as the boxing term goes. I guess I should assume the rest of your broken English isn't written in prose?

i should of actually said "CC for CC"

Fair enough. I'll refer back to this:

Does the one with higher hp/L have more power? NO. More torque? NO. Is it lighter? NO. Is it smaller? NO. Is it more fuel economical? NO.

But hey, it does make more power "CC for CC"...

so something even REMOTELY close to the displacement of the LS6.. would be the BMW V10 in the E60 M5... 5 litrs.. 500hp 500Nm trq... AND redlining.. in areas only a crappy american pushrod could dream of... 6.500 HAHAHA what a joke...

Well gee, I'll concede this point. A far larger V10 with DOHC, double-VANOS and 24 more valves than the LS6 makes 100 more hp. And revs to higher rpm.

But I can think of a certain American V10 that is dimensionally smaller than the E60's V10 and has as much power.

As for your VQ point.. 10.3 is high for an LS6 maybe...

10.3 is high for a naturally aspirated gasoline-powered engine. Whether you believe that or not is your problem.

but if it was SO high on the VQ.. care to explain how Greddy can slap twin turbo's on the engine

Sure I'll explain: those two turbochargers pump out a measly 5.6 PSI of boost.

Source: http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0307tur_350z/

(notice ample room to do it unlike some very large engines i can think of)

Which large engines in particular? Surely not the LS1, to which Lingenfelter Performance Engineering has bored and stroked the engine to 7.0L and added two Garrett turbochargers to make 725hp. RELIABLY. In fact, unlike Greddy, Lingenfelter has a warrantee for the entire engine.

intercooler and piping.. and a piggy back engine management system.. and boosting the engine performance greatly RELIABLY... which means no detonation and no pinging.. even on crappy american fuel...

Crappy American fuel? Where in the hell did you get the idea that American fuel is of poorer quality than other fuels? Surely you aren't confusing 98 octane RON gasoline as found overseas as being better (or even to for that matter...) than 94 octane R+M/2 gasoline?

so u put 9psi and make close to 400hp so obviously the compression isn't as high as u try to make it soudn "chief"

The Greddy kit makes 5.6 PSI and only 335hp. Obviously the compression is as high as I made it out to be.

the Garbage about it being detuned has nothign to do with it being DOHC or having VTC... just cuz the chevy engine has been the same for 50 yrs plus Fuel injection and typical OBD-II things and still has only 2 cams.. doesn't mean the VQ is highly tuned....

The VQ in the 350Z is highly tuned. No matter your ignorance. For the record, the Corvette's engines have one (1) single camshaft, as do all pushrod overhead valve engines.

I know how forced induction works i own two turbo charged cars in case u didn't notice my sig... and even tho u claim they have 8.5ish compression ratios... do u know what the Rb26dett is?

Sure I know what the RB26DETT is. A 2.6L double overhead camshaft inline six-cylinder gasoline-powered sequential multi-point electronic fuel-injected internal combustion engine designed and manufactured by Nissan.

For the record, it has a compression ratio of 8.5:1.

Source: http://www.jbskyline.net/R32/GTR/index2.php

in the 9's... stock boost 7 psi.. i can put it up to 18psi... at 7psi i eat camaro's and m5's rolling... even CBR 900's...

Every single piece of information within this particular quote is made up.

i can turn a screw and make more then a 100 more hp... without doin anything can u?

You can turn a screw without doing anything? I must admit, I cannot turn screws without doing something. Perhaps you could use your amazing screw-turning abilities to tighten the loose screw in your head?

i have more to post but i'll do it later.. i have to install my AFC 2 on the SR20 before it get's dark

Okay buddy.

 

[Victor Vance]

i agree.. the handi cap is to put the cars next to each other when they're in the corners head to head so that it's not an open road for one car to keep goin...

i'd like to think there's no bias too.. of course numbers speak loudest... i agree Japanese make some pretty BS cars too.. i didn't say they're all good...
i don't get your ferrari point u seem to contradict yourself...

Uhm, huh? I don't quite understand your point...I know I've thrashed Schuey from time to time but that was praising Ferrari builds a motor and car so damn good that I could probably win the world championship in it, so why are you saying I contradict myself? (what the hell does that phrase mean anyway?)

 

[Ottoman]

You'll have to watch what you say next time. In case you didn't
know the rest of us can see what you post, and can debunk your claims if we're so inclined.

by all means defend your engine.. that's what forums are for...

it's all in good spirit.. i'm not here to cause flame wars or fights... it's nice to have an intellectual debate once in awhile...

I agree.. i put down the american engines, but i never put it in comparison to a Nissan engine let alone the VQ that was your initiation

Nope. We're comparing the top-of-the-line flagship models of each brand. If the 350Z isn't the brand's flagship, what is? The Frontier pickup truck?

the problem is that the "top of line" nissan in America is not the "top of the line" in Japan... JDM models are far superior then their USDM counter parts

Well, this is at least a reasonable assessment. Then again, three more camshafts, continously variable valve timing and lift and eight more valves should make up for some of those 2,167 cubic centimetres.

Some perhaps.. but everyone has heard the term "no replacement for displacement" how about u compare an American V6 to the VQ?? there ya go.. same number of cylinders.. still more displacement.. but a little more balanced...

Why would I include the weight of the transmission? I thought we were talking about engines, not gearboxes.

the powerplant is nothing without a transmission... can't have one without the other... or perhaps u didn't include purely because of your engine/tranny combo not being lighter anymore (purely speculation, i'm not gonna scour the entire internet evertime i make a claim)

Weight distribution (f/r):
Corvette ZO6: 53/47
Corvette Coupe: 51/49
'02 Camaro Z28 Coupe: 56/44
350Z: 53/47
M3 Coupe: 50/50 (actually 50.3/49.7, but it might as well be rounded off)
M3 Cabriolet: 49/51

interesting... is that 350 USDM or JDM tho??

I'm not even dignifying this level of ignorance with a counterpoint.

obviously u didn't read the rest of the posts that continued to touch base upon perhaps u should read the WHOLE thread...

You'll have to forgive me. I've never heard of "Best Motoring". In any case, I cannot tell you their motivations for exclusion of the ZO6. Perhaps all-out embarrassment of the rest of the field at the hand of the Corvette? Just kidding of course.

u should look into them.. real life numbers and on paper aer always different.. Best motoring puts the car to the test... the reason there was no Z06 (also i mentioned this in a later post u didn't read it) was because z06 was never sold in Japan.. only C5... so the C5 became the american bench march

It's actually a little longer than the VQ, but is (relatively) far shorter. The VQ's DOHC heads are huge.

normally i wouldn't point this out, but u sit and attack my english as a point of defense rather then using some common sense and proof reading a little...

so if i read u literraly u're sayign is a little longer but relatively shorter...

but what u meant was "little longer but not as tall"? correct?

Ironic, since the Camaro and Corvette both employ "front-midships" engine placement, just as the 350Z does. The Corvette's pop-up headlights and associated motors certainly add a lot of length, as does the Camaro's very large air intake. The engine in both sit behind the front axle.

my S-13 has pop up headlights it doesn't add very much to it's length... infact it doesn't look very diff in size with the the Silvias non pop up... but if u say so.. i'll get to the intake point in a minute...

Height (in metres):
R34 GT-R: 1.360
350Z: 1.310
Corvette: 1.212

Width (in metres):
Corvette: 1.869
350Z: 1.816
R34 GT-R: 1.785

Length (in metres):
R34 GT-R: 4.600
Corvette: 4.566
350Z: 4.310

ya the car is longer and wider but slightly shorter... (R34 is a fairly big car, R32 which u got your engine specs from is smaller)

You can't assume everything is equal because nothing is equal. And it isn;t measuring effieciency whatsoever. True engine effieciency would involve the comparison of the amount of air physically inhaled into the engine's combustion chambers to the theoretical maximum (displacement). This is actually called volumetric efficiency. Both the VQ35DE and LS6 have near-100% volumetric efficiencies.

I understand volumetric effeciency... but that doesn't compare the 2 engines to each other directly... all it says is that if A sux in 400/400 CFMS and B sux in 600/600 they're both 100%... since u like digging up so much numbers, and i know the internet in Calgary is blazing fast.. see if u can find the Theoretical maximumum vs the actual air for both engines... if they're actuals are near each other i give up.... but i think u'll find the Chevy will be in the 600's probably and the VQ will be in the 400's maybe... so in they're own class ya they're effecient.. but can't really compare to each other that way.. u know what i mean??

I didn't event HP/ltr man, i've seen it used Everywhere in almost every major publication so it's not like i'm trying to set a new standard here.. hp/ltr is widely accepted..

Take for example the honda's S2k engine the reason the engine is so Appraised is not because of it's 220 hp.. but becuase it does it in only 2 liters!!! and 4 little cylinders... is it faster than a LS6 NO? but is it more impressive? i deffinately think so...

But the LS6 doesn't make 227hp, it makes 405. That is my point.

did u even understand the point i was making??

Which I interpreted literally, as the boxing term goes. I guess I should assume the rest of your broken English isn't written in prose?

for your information tho this really shouldn't matter... I've lived in Ft Mcmurray, New brunswick, London, Toronto Ontario... so i'd say my command of english isn't so bad... deffinately better then your average joe i've met... (but that has nothing to do with our topic)


Fair enough. I'll refer back to this:



But hey, it does make more power "CC for CC"...

Well gee, I'll concede this point. A far larger V10 with DOHC, double-VANOS and 24 more valves than the LS6 makes 100 more hp. And revs to higher rpm.

But I can think of a certain American V10 that is dimensionally smaller than the E60's V10 and has as much power.

I brought the V10 in because of it's displacement be only .7 less rather then 2.2ltrs... if u drag in the Viper engine into this then it's a 3 ltr difference! that's even worse of a gap

10.3 is high for a naturally aspirated gasoline-powered engine. Whether you believe that or not is your problem.

some sites say it's 10.2, but not to quibble about that... u're average integra has CR in the 10's.. and the Type R is 11.1:1 and the F20C from the S2k is 11.7:1
off the top of my head M3 is 11.5:1 i believe...

these are all production cars... so i guess it's a matter of opinion.. u think it's high i think it's low.. some ppl think 300 hp is ample some ppl think it's not enough...

Sure I'll explain: those two turbochargers pump out a measly 5.6 PSI of boost.

Source: http://www.turbomagazine.com/features/0307tur_350z/

from this point i can tell u're ignorance of Forced induction

first of all if u didn't know this.. a t25 at 15 psi will put less CFM's then a T3/t4 at say 6-7 psi..

do u have any idea how big an 18G is?? it's bigger then the Evo's turbo.. and there's 2 OF THEM!!

334 RWHP! 110hp gain out of 6 "measly" psi as u put it.... i'm sure with a little dyno tuning and tweaking they can squeeze more outta that (note it's USDM and therefore slower base model) and those turbos are easily capable of 30 psi...

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Which large engines in particular? Surely not the LS1, to which Lingenfelter Performance Engineering has bored and stroked the engine to 7.0L and added two Garrett turbochargers to make 725hp. RELIABLY. In fact, unlike Greddy, Lingenfelter has a warrantee for the entire engine.

if u completely ignore economies of scale i suppose yes u can turbo a LS1.. but what are the chances of u seeing a Z28 roll by and hear a PSHhhtt? vs. 350z with a kit u can install at home...

be a little more reasonable man... i'm not talkin about staged forced induction superchargin and turbocharing at the same time or crazy stuff..

Crappy American fuel? Where in the hell did you get the idea that American fuel is of poorer quality than other fuels? Surely you aren't confusing 98 octane RON gasoline as found overseas as being better (or even to for that matter...) than 94 octane R+M/2 gasoline?

on the other forums i've seen.. the Californians are always griping about their fuel... mayeb they're exagerating.. but Cali has a huge performance/tuning scene... so i'm sure they have some grounds to their claim...

The Greddy kit makes 5.6 PSI and only 335hp. Obviously the compression is as high as I made it out to be.

335 RWHP! not crank... assuming 15% loss that's like almost 390 hp at the crank...
not for behind the Z06... and this is a USDM Z

The VQ in the 350Z is highly tuned. No matter your ignorance. For the record, the Corvette's engines have one (1) single camshaft, as do all pushrod overhead valve engines.

and this is exactly my reason for dislikin the american engine.. they use technology from the stone age... and the main reason they need so much displacement to make power, why don't they invest a little money into RnD and make a 5.7 ltr DOHC MPFI 2 stage VTC and then make ungodly power...
get with the times.... we're in the 21st century...

Sure I know what the RB26DETT is. A 2.6L double overhead camshaft inline six-cylinder gasoline-powered sequential multi-point electronic fuel-injected internal combustion engine designed and manufactured by Nissan.

For the record, it has a compression ratio of 8.5:1.

on paper it seems soo simple doesn't it? but without changing internals and only a turbo upgrade.. 600-700 hp is easily attainable...

Every single piece of information within this particular quote is made up.

in my long stay in canada i've never seen a GT-R and i doubt u have.. so u hardly have a basis to compare too.. maybe u should do some more research before makin such an accusation??

You can turn a screw without doing anything? I must admit, I cannot turn screws without doing something. Perhaps you could use your amazing screw-turning abilities to tighten the loose screw in your head?

the fact that u couldn't place a missed coma and a word, in to the sentence is dissapointing... and u sit and slander my english 👎

lemme rephrase it for u so u understand...

"can turn a screw and make more then a 100 more hp... without doin anything ELSE, can u?"

which means.. if i turn the screw on my Boost controller and raise the boost i can make 100 more hp and it wont cost me more then a 100 bux or so...

i can see u're knowledge stems more into the Naturally aspirated world then the FI world... but i hope u understand what i meant now

 

[daan]

Have I stumbled into a "Who can quote the most in a long post" competition?

 

[Jetboy.]

Have I stumbled into a "Who can quote the most in a long post" competition?

I am starting to question this myself.

 

[87chevy]

Have I stumbled into a "Who can quote the most in a long post" competition?

yeah, could be.


How bout this, instead of lb for lb or hp/ltr, or CC for CC, how bout HP per dollar???? what is the best motor (practically speaking, no MerlinV12's or ferrari's) you can buy and build?





i think this will be easy, but i want to see what others say first

 

[Ottoman]

yeah, could be.


How bout this, instead of lb for lb or hp/ltr, or CC for CC, how bout HP per dollar???? what is the best motor (practically speaking, no MerlinV12's or ferrari's) you can buy and build?





i think this will be easy, but i want to see what others say first

interesting idea...

does this include Forced induction and Nitrous? or just N/A..??

 

[Jetboy.]

interesting idea...

does this include Forced induction and Nitrous? or just N/A..??

I believe he means 'bone stock', just nothing excessive.

 

[Ottoman]

I believe he means 'bone stock', just nothing excessive.

ok that throws out No2.. but some engine's came turbo stock... some don't...

so shall we have seperate categories? for N/A and one for Turbo/supercharged...


and how will we determine price? price of the whole car? or price of just the engine? new or used?

 

[Victor Vance]

87Chevy, a 350 Chevy is always a good choice

2JZ for imports, although that's a little pricey

 

[87chevy]

ok, like this, Rating ENGINE ONLY. and no, doesn't have to be stock, but nothing outrageous, no 460ci Nitro motors okay? doesn't matter import, domestic, or non turbo. Just the best HP for your money. (an average Joe's money)











*nods to Victor Vance*

 

[Jetboy.]

87Chevy, a 350 Chevy is always a good choice

2JZ for imports, although that's a little pricey

Bingo. How much is it to cram in a Lingenfelter 427?

 

[///M-Spec]

here u go buddy

http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=425&p=3

take it from the source...

like i said it mighta been the drivers i seen.. but this is Best motoring.. these guys are all pro's...

Here's my issue with that clip.

-A 400 hp Modena is out run by a 290 hp NSX? Sounds very, very fishy to me. Even IF the NSX dogs the 360 in the turns, the 360 doesn't even pull on the straights. It should. It came in 4th. It should have WON that race.
-A GT-R keeping up with a 996 Turbo? Again, fishy. Not out of the possible if the GT-R was running extra boost. But are we supposed to believe these cars were stock?
-No mention what tires the JDM cars were running.
-No mention if JDM cars were stock or tuned.
-No mention what lap times any car was running WITHOUT traffic.


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[TheCracker]

Here's my issue with that clip.

-A 400 hp Modena is out run by a 290 hp NSX? Sounds very, very fishy to me. Even IF the NSX dogs the 360 in the turns, the 360 doesn't even pull on the straights. It should. It came in 4th. It should have WON that race.
-A GT-R keeping up with a 996 Turbo? Again, fishy. Not out of the possible if the GT-R was running extra boost. But are we supposed to believe these cars were stock?
-No mention what tires the JDM cars were running.
-No mention if JDM cars were stock or tuned.
-No mention what lap times any car was running WITHOUT traffic.

It also doesn't mention if the drivers of the cars were more familiar with the GT-R and NSX than they were with the European cars. If they had done many many miles in the NSX's etc and had only just stepped into the Ferrari then they will be quicker in the NSX obviously.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

For those of you who like the LS1..........How about an LS1 with 8 turbos?

 

[87chevy]

:droooooooooooooooooooool: oh my lord..........i must have one! (although i still prefer a Weiand 8-71 blower )

 

[Dorifto]

33 hp. Rev's up to about 16,200 rpm.

 

[JohnBM01]

So to all of you, what small car/super mini/Kei car engines are the best? I think we had a discussion about powerful engines. So now it's time to give the mini cars some love. So let's do that!

 

[87chevy]

^ or NOT!!!! mini cars blow

 

[Driftster]

as far as that video clip.....I am fairly sure the 996 Driver is farmiliar with the club seeing as how it's Gan San....considering he beat a bigger array of cars in a RX7 FD3S in a prior video....As far as the cars, they are in stock trim, Best MOTORing wouldn't do some slimey crap like that..

 

[Victor Vance]

For those of you who like the LS1..........How about an LS1 with 8 turbos?

Vrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm! *Shift* Vrrrrrrrooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmm! *shift* Kaboooom!

I'd never rape an LS1 motor like that. That owner's smoking something Cheech and Chong will want to get their hands on...

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

For those of you who like the LS1..........How about an LS1 with 8 turbos?

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)


Just terror! TERROR!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ottoman]

any more pics of that Turbo LS1?

it doesn't seem right... let alone effecient...

first of all.. the Turbo's are all on individual Waste gates rather then a collective one which is the usual case with TT cars...


secondly... where on earth are all the pipes goin? sure as hell a weird place to put and intercooler if it is one.. which i doubt.. so only other option is the intake Manifold.. correct me if i'm wrong but that's one FUBAR intake manifold...

i don't see a Single blow off valve either technically u should need 8! of them

each cyl pushing 1 turbo sounds completely illogical and impractical...

have each bank or Cyl's pushin 1 big turbo would be much more useful...

so let's see... No intercooling, fishy Intake,god knows what kinda spaghetti of Exhaust manifold piping...no BOVS, i'm startin to wonder if this car can move under it's own power at all.. or if it's just an advertistment saying "8 cyls, 8 turbos"

 

[Driftster]

ottman...I am going out on a limb with this one, but i'm pretty sure this is one of those "I did it to say I did it cars"