The five cars that you DO NOT want in GT6.

[Youngun]

But, that stuff's already modeled in, on several cars. There's no reason why I can't try to order my Lexus SC300/SC400 with LHD, when I see the RHD Toyota Soarer. They're entirely different cars. The American car has different lights, different powerplant choices, different transmissions and the steering wheel's on the other side. My point is, if we already have some of those things modeled in, why can't we choose for ourselves, which ones we want?

That's fine, if there genuinely different. But it's the (eu) or (j) ones that annoy most. Or the fact that they put every year on it wen it doesn't change/ or facelift for 5+ years (skyline for one). Paint and engine (model) should be the only selectable item in dealership, maybe wheels too.

 

[Flaco13]

I did say stick to the manufacturers location so gti mk1 would be euro version, Opel (euro way) Holden (Aussie way) included plus Vauxhall (uk/euro way) as they do do different models in each badge like ute/maloo or vxr8 etc

I guess no matter what PD will do with GT6 they will always leave some people unhappy, thats the only thing we can predict for certain

 

[Tornado]

They're entirely different cars. The American car has different lights, different powerplant choices, different transmissions and the steering wheel's on the other side.

Again, you'd have more of a case, and indeed many of the duplicates wouldn't be duplicates at all, if PD actually bothered to model those differences for GT5 like they did back in the GT2 days. As it is now, the USDM Lexus SC300 in the game has the exact same 1JZ-GTE engine as the JDM Soarer 2.5-T.

 

[Youngun]

I guess no matter what PD will do with GT6 they will always leave some people unhappy, thats the only thing we can predict for certain

True, but thing is to help this. If you go on each FTO or skyline or Rx7 etc are the descriptions the same..... I'd rather have individual cars that deserve to be on there. NSX is another, should be original 91, 97 facelift and 02 type r plus racing versions too, you get me

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Again, you'd have more of a case, and indeed many of the duplicates wouldn't be duplicates at all, if PD actually bothered to model those differences for GT5 like they did back in the GT2 days. As it is now, the USDM Lexus SC300 in the game has the exact same 1JZ-GTE engine as the JDM Soarer 2.5-T.

Which is not the only option. So, I'm sour that they don't offer MORE of the same car, because I'd prefer the torque of the V8, instead of the 2.5T Supra motor, from a Supra, which is a lighter car.


I mean, the Soarer's okay to drift with, in GT5, but, it's not anywhere near good. It's twitchy, and either underpowered (due to the 2.5T's lack of torque) or overpowered (due to the 2.5T's massive hp counts.)


Considering the weight of the SC300 and SC400 Soarers, I'd like the V8, to be able to move that much weight effectively.


There's a lot more to it, than just "deleting" "copies" of cars. Sometimes they're not copies at all, and I don't want to LOSE a genuine car, because people don't like the UCD clutter.

 

[Flaco13]

it'll be over because it's sales don't come from the niche market but of a more massive audience that doesn't give a damn about the trim differences between one and another Miata.

That doesn't mean this massive audience is always right. PD has always followed their own visions on development. If they were to change 180 degree and only do what the majority of users demand all of a sudden, they could just aswell loose sales and be out of business because how should they know if what they took as the majority wasn't in reality, a minority?

Take this website, Its a mistake if you think majority of people on here could be representative for the majority of GT users. You can not messure that.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Fiat 500

XD that is all

 

[Youngun]

MrMelancholy15 & Flaco13, one way to put it. Make a poll and see the results, think people want to move with the times and move on. If a Dup isn't really a Dup (different badge) then it can stay but if it's a genuine copy (20+ of practically the same car) it can go. Maybe freeing up 100+ car slots

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

That doesn't mean this massive audience is always right. PD has always followed their own visions on development. If they were to change 180 degree and only do what the majority of users demand all of a sudden, they could just aswell loose sales and be out of business because how should they know if what they took as the majority wasn't in reality, a minority?

Take this website, Its a mistake if you think majority of people on here could be representative for the majority of GT users. You can not messure that.

This is true. There are 336 posts here, and at least twenty are just me. That's an excruciatingly small minority.

MrMelancholy15, one way to put it. Make a poll and see the results, think people want to move with the times and move on. If a Dup isn't really a Dup (different badge) then it can stay but if it's a genuine copy (20+ of practically the same car) it can go. Maybe freeing up 100+ car slots

It wouldn't free up 100+ car slots. I can tell you this, because changing the name of a duplicate doesn't take up any space on the blu-ray disc. (maybe like 50 kb worth of space.) It's still just the exact same car, which is just put in once, and then duplicated, with a different name. So, the difference in the Blu-ray disc capacity would be equivalent to the number of new letters in the name of the car, roughly.

 

[Flaco13]

This is true. There are 336 posts here, and at least twenty are just me. That's an excruciatingly small minority.

it wasn't just about this thread but about gtp as a whole

 

[Tornado]

Which is not the only option. So, I'm sour that they don't offer MORE of the same car, because I'd prefer the torque of the V8, instead of the 2.5T Supra motor, from a Supra, which is a lighter car.

The problem is that the USDM SC300 didn't come with the engine the JDM Soarer came with, but PD modeled it as having the exact same drivetrain as the JDM car anyway. It isn't an issue of options. It's an issue of PD not caring that the SC300 and Soarer were different cars and treating them as being the same anyway. Hence it and the entire Standard Lexus dealership being duplicates as a result even though in real life they wouldn't be.

There's a lot more to it, than just "deleting" "copies" of cars. Sometimes they're not copies at all, and I don't want to LOSE a genuine car, because people don't like the UCD clutter.

Yes, PD fixing the duplicates that aren't supposed to be duplicates would be preferable to them just dumping them. But when some of these cars are duplicates that date back to GT4 and they were never fixed in the seven years it has been since that game came out, we might as well just have PD get rid of them entirely since they clearly don't care to fix them.

It wouldn't free up 100+ car slots. I can tell you this, because changing the name of a duplicate doesn't take up any space on the blu-ray disc. (maybe like 50 kb worth of space.) It's still just the exact same car, which is just put in once, and then duplicated, with a different name. So, the difference in the Blu-ray disc capacity would be equivalent to the number of new letters in the name of the car, roughly.

This isn't how it works. They are treated as entirely separate cars, with separate textures and meshes by the game and take up the same amount of space that they would regardless. It just so happens that they are identical to the other "version" with the same mesh/texture/etc.

Granted the space saved would be small because they are all Standards, but it wouldn't be as little as shaving a line of code from the game disc.

 

[Youngun]

This is true. There are 336 posts here, and at least twenty are just me. That's an excruciatingly small minority.

But go online and join every lobby, then come back a say you've seen lv0 cars driving around on purpose. Every lobby, no matter the type, is full of classics, hot hatches or supercars. Seems like that's what people would prefer (check photomode comp and see what people view as worth it)

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

The problem is that the USDM SC300 didn't come with the engine the JDM Soarer came with, but PD modeled it as having the exact same drivetrain as the JDM car anyway. It isn't an issue of options. It's an issue of PD not caring that the SC300 and Soarer were different cars and treating them as being the same anyway. Hence it and the entire Standard Lexus dealership being duplicates as a result even though in real life they wouldn't be.


Yes, PD fixing the duplicates that aren't supposed to be duplicates would be preferable to them just dumping them. But when some of these cars are duplicates that date back to GT4 and they were never fixed in the seven years it has been since that game came out, we might as well just have PD get rid of them entirely since they clearly don't care to fix them.

Knowing from memory, it's the '97 Lexus SC400 & the '97 Toyota Soarer 2.5T-T.

Therefore, they might have actually modeled the same car in, and not made the mistake, but, not given the option for the V8. Worst possible outcome, IMO, is not having a legitimately EPIC car.

 

[Youngun]

It wouldn't free up 100+ car slots. I can tell you this, because changing the name of a duplicate doesn't take up any space on the blu-ray disc. (maybe like 50 kb worth of space.) It's still just the exact same car, which is just put in once, and then duplicated, with a different name. So, the difference in the Blu-ray disc capacity would be equivalent to the number of new letters in the name of the car, roughly.

So you just went against everything you said now. What would be the point of the same car 20 times then. It's like a dealer having nothing but s2000s then someone asking for a new civic to which they reply, wait for dlc lol

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

So you just went against everything you said now. What would be the point of the same car 20 times then. It's like a dealer having nothing but s2000s then someone asking for a new civic to which they reply, wait for dlc lol

My point: leave the cars that are in, and add new cars. There's no reason why they can't.

Your point: Get rid of the duplicates (based on the faulty idea that they take up disc space)


I didn't go against everything I said. I backed up what I said, by saying that it doesn't make any more Blu-ray disc space available.

 

[Youngun]

My point: leave the cars that are in, and add new cars. There's no reason why they can't.

Your point: Get rid of the duplicates (based on the faulty idea that they take up disc space)

I didn't go against everything I said. I backed up what I said, by saying that it doesn't make any more Blu-ray disc space available.

It's not disc space, it's visual space and loading data, I've got 1100 cars and standard takes ages to go through, so many Hondas Nissans Mitsubishis Mazdas etc that aint necessary, plus they have the same pp 90% of the time too. Dups waste garage space and dealership space when I want one car 5 miata come up instead

 

[Nick Skyline]

Love the Veyron and the X2010s and X2011 and also all the skylines.

I wonder what cars you don't want?...By the way, Welcome to GTPlanet!

Here are mine...
* Fiat 500 (the new one)
* Ferrari SP1
* Eagle Talon
* Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec LM Limited (R33)
* Suzuki GSX-R/4 Concept

 

[Flaco13]

But go online and join every lobby, then come back a say you've seen lv0 cars driving around on purpose. Every lobby, no matter the type, is full of classics, hot hatches or supercars. Seems like that's what people would prefer (check photomode comp and see what people view as worth it)

That is the same thing as what I said about this forum. How can I go online and check lobbies for what kinds of cars they use and take that for a serious representation on GT users in general?

So yes our countless debates on every aspect of this game could help a developer to make its game better, IF the dev. watches. (a big if) - but it is just wrong to claim that from a forum, or lobby or photomode those were any representative for the majority of users.... how many refuse to play online? how many can't? How many use photostream? how many are registred on gtp? how many of those are currently active?

 

[Downhill Dino]

It's not disc space, it's visual space and loading data, I've got 1100 cars and standard takes ages to go through, so many Hondas Nissans Mitsubishis Mazdas etc that aint necessary, plus they have the same pp 90% of the time too. Dups waste garage space and dealership space when I want one car 5 miata come up instead

Then... why did you buy them?

 

[Youngun]

I wonder what cars you don't want?...By the way, Welcome to GTPlanet!

Here are mine...
* Fiat 500 (the new one)
* Ferrari SP1
* Eagle Talon
* Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V·spec LM Limited (R33)
* Suzuki GSX-R/4 Concept

Why sp1, great one off. Plus I want SP12 add. 500 replaced by abarth 500 but rest agree

 

[Tornado]

Your point: Get rid of the duplicates (based on the faulty idea that they take up disc space)

I didn't go against everything I said. I backed up what I said, by saying that it doesn't make any more Blu-ray disc space available.

It isn't a faulty idea. Whether or not the comparably small (since these are old graphical assets rather than Premium cars) space that they take up on the disc is reason enough to remove them by itself is arguable, but the game does not render the differences in real time. The duplicates have separate textures, separate badging, separate polygonal meshes and separate configuration data.


If I save a Word document under two different names, they still both take up the same amount of space as each other even though they contain the exact same information. What you are saying is that because they have the same information, one would be much smaller than the other one.

 

[Nick Skyline]

Why sp1, great one off. Plus I want SP12 add. 500 replaced by abarth 500 but rest agree

The SP1 is an overpriced, although extremely rare (which explains it) version of the Ferrari F430. I'm paying $1.5 million for a more stylish, but completely pointless version of a car I could just as easily pay about $250,000 for in one of about 15-20 colors. I suppose if you're try to get every car in the game, it wouldn't hurt to spend the money.

EDIT: I think I can see your point now. I just bought one a little while ago.

Then... why did you buy them?

Part of progress towards the Platinum Trophy, I'm guessing.

I'm not even after that, too much work for me.

 

[Youngun]

Then... why did you buy them?

1000 cars trophy and the personal achievement of all. Do it for almost every game. Never drive then just say spirit r rx7, FTO version r, NSX type r, s2000 prem, gto twin turbo, well you get the gist (top level version)

 

[Youngun]

The SP1 is an overpriced, although extremely rare (which explains it) version of the Ferrari F430. I'm paying $1.5 million for a more stylish, but completely pointless version of a car I could just as easily pay about $250,000 for in one of about 15-20 colors. I suppose if you're try to get every car in the game, it wouldn't hurt to spend the money.

Sp1 is more art (and more aerodynamic then the 430 too) great for pictures

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

1000 cars trophy and the personal achievement of all. Do it for almost every game. Never drive then just say spirit r rx7, FTO version r, NSX type r, s2000 prem, gto twin turbo, well you get the gist (top level version)

There's this thing called "sort" which helps you look through your 1000 cars. I started to use sort once I hit 200 cars.


Then, there's this thing called "favourites" which helps you keep track of all of your drift car(s), tournament cars, and the cars you like.

 

[Downhill Dino]

1000 cars trophy and the personal achievement of all. Do it for almost every game. Never drive then just say spirit r rx7, FTO version r, NSX type r, s2000 prem, gto twin turbo, well you get the gist (top level version)

Why don't you just sell them if you have the trophy?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Why don't you just sell them if you have the trophy?

 

[TokoTurismo]

1000 cars trophy.

Did the same thing. Than I sold them all after and only kept cars like the Nissan Skyline R34 V Spec II, Toyota Supra RZ, Honda NSX Type Zero, and other fast models over the others that aren't needed to be in my garage to slow down the loading time in the standard side for online. Such as the DUPLICATES.

 

[Youngun]

Why don't you just sell them if you have the trophy?

Completion doesn't go backwards. And every car is every car, not had everycar

 

[Downhill Dino]

Completion doesn't go backwards. And every car is every car, not had everycar

So, you're going to complain about the cars you own yet refuse to sell them?