The General Airplane Thread

[Lizard]

They're completely unrelated though. There is no way to compare a subsonic piston engined fighter to a delta wing supersonic 4.5 gen fighter. If you're comparing them because of the canard configuration, the Flyer I was also a canarded aircraft (and a pusher).

There is nothing of significance shared between the EF and the Shinden.

There was a jet version as well but never produced.

So what has changed? Computers added, jet power increased and changed to twin jet, delta wing, updated to fit the 21st century, intakes moved, rudder moved.
Any more? The designers must have looked at the J7W to get ideas at least.

Although I accept maybe some planes are destined to look kind of similar due to the nature of how they fly.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I don't see how the J7W and Eurofighter are related. It's not like the fact that the Typhoon has canards but no horizontal stabilisers at the rear is an unusual design. For example, this plane is also similar in layout to the J7W:

And there are a number of modern aircraft that resemble the Typhoon, including the Atlas Cheetah, Dassault Rafale, IAI Kfir, Saab Viggen, and Saab Gripen.

 

[Exorcet]

There was a jet version as well but never produced.


So what has changed? Computers added, jet power increased and changed to twin jet, delta wing, updated to fit the 21st century, intakes moved, rudder moved.
Any more? The designers must have looked at the J7W to get ideas at least.

Although I accept maybe some planes are destined to look kind of similar due to the nature of how they fly.

They didn't look at the J7W, that would not have made sense. The J7 predates supersonic fighters so the aerodynamics would be completely different. WWII was a significant turning point in aviation. What was used before, during, and after can be considered very distinct and the post war period by itself saw a lot of evolution.

If there was a WWII era EF-2000 equivalent it might have been one of the Lippisch deltas, but even then it would not be directly related at all. More of a very distant ancestor.

The things you listed are pretty significant changes. Computers allow for relaxed stability, impossible during J7 development. This also reverses the effect of the canards. Jet power was increased to the point where the EF could supercruise as well as perform vertical maneuvers impossible for the Shinden. The small twinjet design of the EF may have been made in part because of supersonic drag considerations, a non issue with the J7. Delta wing vs swept wing is a big deal, the J7's wing is designed for low transonic flight. The EF's wing is optimized for trans-supersonic performance and has different behavior at high angle of attack. The EF also has vortex generators ahead of the wing that you can see producing vortices over the wing in humid conditions. The J7's intakes are not meant for supersonic flight, they might not handle high AoA flight well either.

The J7, despite its looks is a lot more similar to the P-51 or other conventional WWII fighters than it is to anything modern. It also wasn't alone. The XP-55 and a few others used a similar concept earlier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XP-55

 

[Carlos]

My colleague invited me to come with him when he goes to the NATO Tiger meet next month in Germany, May 22 and 23 Super cool!!

 

[Omnis]

Why does that AWACs plane use low bypass engines?

 

[Exorcet]

Age. The E-3's are 707 based.

 

[Carlos]

My colleague invited me to come with him when he goes to the NATO Tiger meet next month in Germany, May 22 and 23 Super cool!!

I don't know why I said May but it's June. What's there:

4x S105Ö AustrAF JTS
5x F-16 BAF 31Sm
4x JAS39 CzechAF 211tl
1x Mi-17 CzechAF 221lbvr
2x Mi-24 CzechAF 221lbvr
2x Mirage 2000 FAF EC05.330
2x Rafale C FAF EC01.007
5x Rafale M FN 11F
1x A310-MRTT GAF FBS BMVg
6x EF2000 GAF TLG74
6x Tornado GAF TLG51
1x Tiger UHT GAr KHR36
5x JAS39 HungAF 1VS
2x AB212 ItAF 21°Gr
1x E-3A NATO 1sq
6x F-16 PolAF 6ELT
2x Merlin HM2 RN 814sq
5x F-16 RNLAF 313sq
5x FA-18 SwissAF FlSt11
5x F-16 TuAF 192Filo
1x Lj35 civil GFD

 

[Rage Racer]

My photos from the museum in Victory Park:

Polikarpov I-16 "Donkey"

Lavochkin La-5 and some aircraft engines (the V ones are American. Some of them, at least.)

LaGG-3 (you can also see an ISU-152 "Beast Slayer" heavy tank destroyer on the left)

Yakovlev Yak-3

Messerscmitt Bf.109
A Friedrich (Bf.109F), right?

Hurricane Mk.IIB with Soviet insignia

Bell P-63 Kingcobra

Ilyushin Il-2, the glorious Shturmovik ("Assaulter")
You can also see I-153, Su-2 and Il-4 behind.

Il-4 bomber

Sukhoi Su-2 light bomber (and Polikarpov I-153 behind)

Lisunov Li-2 transport aircraft, a copy of the Douglas DC-3.

Kawasaki Ki-48 bomber

Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa. A replica (like the most of the shown above).

 

[ExigeEvan]

Must. Go. To. Mach. Loop.

 

[Carlos]

 

[Carlos]

 

[Gotbeefboy564]

Airbus a340 when I was at my brothers soccer game that was by detroit metro airport

 

[Carlos]

 

[PeterJB]

That plane's just like "Deal with it. "

 

[Crash]

I was on Youtube watching some airplane videos and found a couple of neat videos of the 737 and 777 going through final assembly. I'm sure there's an Airbus channel withs similar videos, but here's two of Boeing planes as they get built that I thought was neat, even if they're fairly old:

 

[BobK]

So I'm off to the Mid-Atlantic Air Museum's WW II Weekend. Will try to remember to post pictures this time. Which reminds me, I still need to post some shots from the Quonset Air Show some time.

 

[Venom800tt]

Some random F-16 and F-22 pics from the Barksdale AFB Defenders of Liberty Air Show a couple months ago:

 

[Heldenzeit]

 

[Carlos]

Only 12 days to go!! Woohoo! Can't wait

At NTM14, in 12days:

Yeah boooyyyyyyyyy

 

[BobK]

A few shots from this weekend's MAAM show, more to come:

FM-2 Wildcat making a low knife edge pass. On a lower pass the wingtip was within ten feet of the ground.


B-24 Liberator on short final:

Just before touchdown:

 

[fatman_5050]

From what I've seen, it sounds like MAAM was a pretty good show. I may make it out there some year, but it always seems to be the same weekend as the airshow closest to me. Here's a few of the Blue Angels at the Westmoreland County Airshow last weekend.

 

[BobK]

The Mid-Atlantic Air Museum has been working on restoring a Northrup P-61 for several years now. Here's what she looks like now:

and here's how she was looking at the 2009 show:

so progress is being made. Slow progress, but progress. When finished it'll be the only flying P-61 in the world.

Somebody put something cute on the right fin:

Here's the B-17 "Yankee Lady" starting her takeoff roll:

Tailwheel off the ground...

...and fully airborne:

@fatman_5050, definitely catch that show some time. Always some interesting stuff.

I was fortunate enough to catch the Blue Angels at the Quonset Air Show a couple weeks ago, so I didn't have to make any tough choices.

 

[Carlos]

 

[TenEightyOne]

How have I never seen this thread before?
There goes my afternoon

 

[MatskiMonk]

The Blinder was always one of my faves

And one of my favourite Helo's

The KA-50

 

[Rage Racer]

The KA-50

I remember seeing one above my district. Or it could be a Ka-52 (Alligator). These coaxial rotors and the tail shape can't be confused with anything else.

Meanwhile: a normal railroad cross in Russia.

 

[zedextreme8177]

Doesn't the gearbox whine at 0:40 sound eerily similar to the Lister Storm in GT4?

 

[Carlos]

http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/18/typhoon-intercept-su-27/

What a close encounter: Russian Su-27 and British Typhoon.
On Jun. 17, Royal Air Force Typhoons were scrambled to intercept multiple Russian aircraft as part of NATO’s Baltics Air Policing mission.

According to the information released by the RAF, the Typhoon aircraft, from 3 (Fighter) Squadron, were launched !after four separate groups of aircraft were detected by NATO air defences in international airspace near to the Baltic States.”

The “zombies” (how unidentified aircraft are dubbed in fighter pilots jargon), turned out to be a Tupolev Tu-22M “Backfire” bomber, four Sukhoi Su-27 ‘Flanker’ fighters, one Beriev A50 ‘Mainstay’ early warning aircraft and an Antonov An-26 ‘Curl’ transport aircraft “who appeared to be carrying out a variety of routine training,” even though the Flankers appear to be armed to the teeth, with 4x R-27 medium range and 2x R-73 short range air-to-air missiles

As usual, the Russian aircraft were shadowed and escorted on their way.

 

[Carlos]

Only 3 days till NATO Tiger Meet

 

[Jay]