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I can't actually find any evidence that that tweet is real; although I wouldn't doubt it considering PETA generally don't have any idea what they're on about (or if they do they don't care) and just say or do whatever draws the most attention to them at that particular moment.
So PETA = Donald Trump, basically.
As for sexualising cat girls in anime. Eh, it's not that much of an issue. Fanservice is usually one of the things I dislike in anime, it usually gets in the way and puts off newcomers who might otherwise enjoy things (and sometimes it's just, you know, creepy), but I don't have any fundamental opposition to it.
If sexualising a character makes them more interesting as a character rather than just objectifying them that can't really be taken as a bad thing, and there are some shows which do that very well. And if something is just meant to be throwaway trash for titillation's sake with no other real value, then so long as the audience understand what they're watching and how it differs from reality, who am I to judge?
But as I said, sexualisation can be creepy as hell. There's way too many anime out there with weirdo lolicon stuff or whatever that in all honesty should probably be banned. In contrast, catgirls (or boys, in some cases)... It's a fantasy. It's disconnected from reality. I doubt that the vast majority of people who are into that actually want to do anything with any real animals in any way. They probably think it's disgusting... Because it is.
So PETA = Donald Trump, basically.
As for sexualising cat girls in anime. Eh, it's not that much of an issue. Fanservice is usually one of the things I dislike in anime, it usually gets in the way and puts off newcomers who might otherwise enjoy things (and sometimes it's just, you know, creepy), but I don't have any fundamental opposition to it.
If sexualising a character makes them more interesting as a character rather than just objectifying them that can't really be taken as a bad thing, and there are some shows which do that very well. And if something is just meant to be throwaway trash for titillation's sake with no other real value, then so long as the audience understand what they're watching and how it differs from reality, who am I to judge?
But as I said, sexualisation can be creepy as hell. There's way too many anime out there with weirdo lolicon stuff or whatever that in all honesty should probably be banned. In contrast, catgirls (or boys, in some cases)... It's a fantasy. It's disconnected from reality. I doubt that the vast majority of people who are into that actually want to do anything with any real animals in any way. They probably think it's disgusting... Because it is.
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I think it comes down to is where one draws the line in regards to sexualization. And apparently each person has a different perception of whether a character is sexualized or not. Probably the more outrageous example is Tracer's Over the Shoulder pose from Overwatch. Now that was stupid in of itself. But why it happened is everyone's guess. One thing's certain though: Whoever thought that pose was sexualized needed their head checked.
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Looking up the example you mention, I can kind of see what people might mean, but it's not the pose there which is sexualised, more just the outfit, and even then it's not exactly pornographic, to say the least.
It is important to distinguish sexualisation from objectification as well. If a character is sexually objectified it means that they're sexualised for no reason and it doesn't contribute anything to the rest of the work. Whereas if you contrast that with, say, NGE, Misato isn't sexualised for the sake of titillating the viewer, she's sexualised because her libido is a part of her personality which ties into her overall characterisation.
It is important to distinguish sexualisation from objectification as well. If a character is sexually objectified it means that they're sexualised for no reason and it doesn't contribute anything to the rest of the work. Whereas if you contrast that with, say, NGE, Misato isn't sexualised for the sake of titillating the viewer, she's sexualised because her libido is a part of her personality which ties into her overall characterisation.
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It actually isn't the outfit. It's more of the pose. Her 'spunk' contributes as well, as the guy who started the whole charade was offended by.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of us and plenty others can distinguish the two. The problem though is that other people have an issue with both of them, and so they can't feel like they can just set it aside. There's always gonna be people like this sadly.
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In some sense, cat ears remind me of how I used to fawn over unpainted carbon fiber bonnets.
I'm over CF hoods now, but when cat ears are matched beautifully with certain hair styles, it's like a sports car with the perfect wheels, stance and fitment.
That being said, I wouldn't rape a car, nor a cat. PETA's high as a plane.
I'm over CF hoods now, but when cat ears are matched beautifully with certain hair styles, it's like a sports car with the perfect wheels, stance and fitment.
That being said, I wouldn't rape a car, nor a cat. PETA's high as a plane.
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Eh, I'd go even further and say that I don't think a character's sexualization has to contribute anything to not be objectification. IMHO it's only really objectification if the character's sexualization is their only defining characteristic or merit.
Newsflash, humans are sexual beings among other things. Saying it's objectification for a fictional character to flaunt their sexiness, only to go and dress yourself up to look sexy on a date... that's pretty damn silly. It's only when you present characters as ONLY being sexual beings and nothing more that it's blatant objectification. If a character exists only to flaunt their sexiness and nothing else, then yes that would be objectification. But their sexualization doesn't have to be significant to the story to be justified.
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Regarding the current topic, I don't really care about it. I know it's not real and it doesn't drive me to do those things PETA claims. Maybe I'm just too simple minded, I don't care.
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@Lain, eh... It's all about how it's presented. The sexualisation has to tie into the character's own sexuality in some way for it to not be objectification. As I say though, provided the audience are mature adults who understand the difference between fantasy and reality, there's no inherent problem with that. But when it clogs up screen time in something which otherwise one might want to show to their mum, it's going to be more a nuisance than anything for a lot of viewers.
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The sexualization has to tie into the character's own sexuality? I agree, but that's fairly open.
It's reminiscent of the argument for the removal of the Tracer ass pose, stating that it wasn't "in character" for her... yet who are they to decide that? Wouldn't the very fact that the designers gave her that pose mean that it IS in character for her?
Basically, sexualization must be assumed to tie into the character's sexuality unless it's blatantly out of place or conflicting with the character's established personality. So yes, I suppose objectification could also be achieved by unrealistically over-the-top sexualization, even if the character does contribute more than just that to the story.
It's reminiscent of the argument for the removal of the Tracer ass pose, stating that it wasn't "in character" for her... yet who are they to decide that? Wouldn't the very fact that the designers gave her that pose mean that it IS in character for her?
Basically, sexualization must be assumed to tie into the character's sexuality unless it's blatantly out of place or conflicting with the character's established personality. So yes, I suppose objectification could also be achieved by unrealistically over-the-top sexualization, even if the character does contribute more than just that to the story.
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Honestly, anime tends to be much better than most media when it comes to not sexually objectifying its female characters. Even in completely trash anime there tends to be some attempt to tie the sexualisation into the character's personality and not just copy and paste the same few supposedly sexy porno poses onto nearly every female character in the way more than a few western comic books do. If it's generic and dumb it's because anime is bad and the creators weren't very imaginative. Not because of broader societal issues regarding the depiction of women in media.
I still take issue in the paedo pandering, and a lot of people will just think it's weird because it's foreign; but I don't see a lot of Senjougaharas outside of anime, and perhaps the rest of the world could learn from her. It's a two sided coin.
I still take issue in the paedo pandering, and a lot of people will just think it's weird because it's foreign; but I don't see a lot of Senjougaharas outside of anime, and perhaps the rest of the world could learn from her. It's a two sided coin.
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Hey, Kinnikuman Nisei (or Ultimate Muscle if you know and like your Americanized namesakes), never thought I'd see that being mentioned around these parts... It is a good thing that Mantaro (or Kid Muscle, again, if you dig the American dub) never really shipped his fist with his girlfriend's face, otherwise that relationship would get far too full of muscle. If you catch my drift...
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The people who are offended by it, even a little, don't really care if the pose (or anything else for that matter) is in-character or not, or whether the designers intended it. They're offended by it because it's simply out of place, like you said. Of course this isn't the case for everybody, but then again we're talking about people who are more sensitive to sexuality than others. Or just someone who happens to be easily offended.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here: Where is the line of attempt to tie sexualization into the character's personality? Because it seems that even if there is some attempt to tie it, it's a pretty loose one that anyone can tug their way and justify. Like what Lain said, sexualization is a fairly open characteristic.
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I found a relevant post on the subject which puts it better than I can: (potentially NSFW so don't say I didn't warn you)
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I'll be watching these 3 for sure:
As for this one a maybe:
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Nani? I'm watching Ajin. Oh wait, it's Spring time now, isn't it? Hah. no one has even went to the trouble to post pics of the next season's line up.
Oh wait, I will:
https://sakusthought.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/neregate-com-spring-2016-anime-chart-v3.jpg?w=1400
Wow. Somebody had too much time on their hands to do this thread a public service. What a loser. Thank the guy or something.
Edjt: Oh hey, there's God Eater. And Jojo. And Sakamoto.
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So I've been watching School Days over the past week and I just got around to finishing it now.
Wow. That was a wild ride.
That conclusion though, Makoto got what was coming to him for sure.
Sekai was lame, Kotonoha was the real OG Waifu had Makoto not gone the other way and the other girls....Well.....Yeah.....
Towards the end, the show did keep me on edge and I congratulate it for that but man, I just felt like doing One Punch on Makoto.
I'll check out the OVAs soon.
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Wow. That was a wild ride.
That conclusion though, Makoto got what was coming to him for sure.
Sekai was lame, Kotonoha was the real OG Waifu had Makoto not gone the other way and the other girls....Well.....Yeah.....
Towards the end, the show did keep me on edge and I congratulate it for that but man, I just felt like doing One Punch on Makoto.
I'll check out the OVAs soon.
Anyways, @SVX @AOS- you individuals
No screenshot pic dumps this time.
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