The "Good" Chrysler Thread: Making Vanilla, Vanilla

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A revival of the Neon on an Italian platform would amuse me, especially if say, it were offered with AWD.....
Anyway I think the future of Chrysler is in good hands with Fiat. As long as they don't pull another Daimler Chrysler.....
 
For visual learners:

Jalopnik
So basically, Fiat's grooming Alfa Romeo to replace Chrysler. Full details below:

Chrysler

* PT Cruiser
* Sebring
* Town and Country
* 300: Redesign in 2011
* Fiat 500: 2011

Dodge

* Caliber
* Nitro
* Avenger
* Grand Caravan
* Charger: Redesign in 2011
* Challenger
* Journey
* Ram trucks (separate brand?)

Jeep

* Commander
* Compass
* Patriot
* Wrangler
* Grand Cherokee: Redesign in 2010

Alfa Romeo

* Mito
* Milano (replacing 147)
* New Mid-Size Sedan
* 8C Competizione

[via WSJ, Kicking Tires]

New, will stay, getting the axe.

It's really good to see that Fiat is getting rid of everything that needs to be gotten rid of. But I am slightly worried at the lack of intent to replace those vehicles with something actually worthwhile. Chrysler is going to need a mid-sizer if they want to stay in the game. I think something like that 200 C from last year would be great. They could build a nice, more budget minded FWD saloon and a sporty, RWD, more upscale sporty saloon off that platform and be golden.

Dodge will need a compact and they probably should have something to replace the Avenger. I know badge engineering doesn't help much, but I'd like to see Dodge versions of the 200 C (or Fiat equivalent) and the Grande Punto/Bravo. I also want that Panda 4x4 based Jeep. Sure, it's not hard core Jeep, but I bet they could make something happen out of that platform.

I'm glad to see Alfa making a return, though.
 
I don't think they will make it it's own brand, they just put it as Ram Trucks to cover the whole spectrum as there are various "sub-models" of the Ram(1500,2500,3500 & Chassis Cab). I beleive Ford & GM do this as well.
 
Town & Countries sell better, therefor they keep that and kill the Caravan.
I see no reason they can't make the T&C a very upmarket "minivan". Make it look markedly different than the Caravan, which it doesn't, and market it as competing with the crossovers.

Or would that be a terrible idea.
 
Probably "terrible." They're the only people making a minivan anymore, besides Honda and Toyota. Chrysler knows their market with the van, and they sell a bazillion every year. I've loved to see marked increases in performance and quality with the vehicle if it stays only in the Chrysler lineup, but that gets away from the small families who want a "starter family vehicle."
 
Nissan still sellls the Quest, amazingly. Haven't seen one in forever though.
 
Crikey. I forgot about the Quest. Maybe that says something when I can only think of the Toyota, Honda and Chrysler/Dodge.
 
The internets are ablaze with talk that this will be the new Chrysler logo:

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Thoughts?



My first inclination was to call it an Aston Martin copy. But, for a company going in a different direction, its not a bad way to go.
 
I think they could pull that thing off very well if they get some sleek products to put it on. I see it fitting naturally onto that 200C concept. The 300C and Town and Country? Not so much.
 
That looks terrible to me. It would look at home on a consept car, but on a real car, with actual corners, it would look ridiculous.

As such, it looks like a boomerang.
 
Today Was the Big Chrysler LLC 5- Year Plan Announcement. What Did We Learn?

News from Dodge:
- Fiat is reorganizing the way in which the Dodge brand will operate

First... We're getting a new logo:
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Second, this is where they're putting it:
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They want to make Dodge more of a "lifestyle" brand (I hear Saturn?), with an emphasis on measurements of "Sweet, Fun, Uptown, Thrill Seeker/Ultimate Performance (SRT), and Cool." Basically, model designations are going away (kinda), and moving into some kind of categorization like that. Every current model will be here for the moment, receiving major interior and equipment upgrades, with new focuses on a sporty driving experience, fuel economy, and overall comfort. New B, C and D segment vehicles will be coming from Fiat by 2014.

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News from Team Viper:

The current Viper we know and love today will only be around for 500 more units, which will be done around June 2010. Word on the street is that the next Viper will be in development shortly after that, with plenty of help "from other Fiat brands." That should make things interesting, that is, if an "S.F." is involved under the hood.

News from Chrysler:
- There is going to be a new focus on QUALITY
- New seven stage program:

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- There are going to be more Fiat-based models coming, and by more, I mean almost everything
- Engine technology will be going overboard as well. Chrysler's cheap engine tech and designs will be worked over by Fiat, with direct-fuel and turbo tech, as well as diesel options going across the Atlantic.
- Chrysler has a bunch of stuff coming for the end of the 2010 model year

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Not entirely surprisingly then, Chrysler is trying its best to add a few reasons to purchase its current models before the major changes happen in the next few years. Each of Chrysler's current nameplates – 300, Town and Country, Sebring and PT Cruiser – get Special Editions that will hit the market in the first quarter of 2010.

First, the 300 is slated to get a complete redesign later on in 2010, probably as a 2011 model vehicle. Regardless, the current 300 will get a Sport Edition that's targeted at the youth market before the reboot button is officially pressed. The Town and Country gets a Fashion Edition and the Sebring gets an Ocean Edition (we have no idea what that means).

Lastly, the long-in-the-tooth PT Cruiser gets a Final Edition (finally final? Promise?) and the nameplate is not scheduled to live on past the 2010 model year. So, if you want one... better hit your local dealer post haste. As a parting note, Chrysler never actually mentioned it, but take a good look at the new Chrysler 300 brochure at the top right of the image above – that doesn't look like the current 300 grille, does it? Hint, hint.

What's This?

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Ram will now operate as its own brand, separate from Dodge and the rest of the gang. I guess?

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The Dakota is dead, and we're getting Fiat vans. Not as tough as I thought.

News from Jeep:
- They want to push Jeep to become the #1 sport utility brand in the world
- Being "Trail Rated" is still the goal
- Models are going to be killed off

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It comes as little surprise that Jeep is looking beyond its current Patriot and Compass models, which have, to put it mildly, underperformed in the burgeoning compact CUV market. While the two concepts had lots of potential, the actual production ComPatriot twins were deemed uncompetitive with class leaders right when they were launched.

As such, the two models are both destined to meet their makers after the 2012 model, to be replaced by a single model sourced from Fiat. Can you say Panda (the image above is just a possible rendering, not a production car)? It's also worth noting that the iconic Wranger will get mild makeovers for both the 2010 and 2011 model years along with what seems likely to be a special 70th Anniversary Wranger for 2011.

Across the line, all Jeeps will reportedly come with an optional Trail Rated package, which means no more on-road only models like the Compass are likely to dilute the Jeep brand. That edict includes the new Grand Cherokee, and Jeep says the Trail Rated Grand Cherokee has already successfully tackled the legendary Rubicon Trail and Moab.

News About the Fiat 500 NA:

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Listening to Chrysler's long and rambling 2010-2014 Business Plan, it was clear that the company and its dealerships are very much looking forward to finally getting the Fiat 500 in North America. Much like what happened when BMW launched the Mini brand eight-odd years ago, it's hoped that the cute little 500 will attract a whole new customer to the Chrysler fold.

In order to properly court those new wallets buyers, Chrysler plans to open "specific interior showroom branded salons" in select dealerships, mostly in metropolitan areas. A dedicated set of salespeople will be assigned to sell the Fiat 500 in the States... ya know, since they otherwise wouldn't know how to sell the important car to American consumers.

There will also be a full line of accessories made available to customize the new car, which we would expect will include unique color and stripe packages both inside and out along with a slew of optional wheel designs. Whatever, make ours an Abarth and we're good. Expect all of this to take place before the end of 2010 as the Fiat 500 finally starts to show up in those selected dealerships.






Wow. A lot of stuff to digest.
 
The Dodge brand strategy doesn't sound too different from what FIAT's already doing in the UK with...well, Fiat.

As well, I'm more than betting that I'll be able to get a 500 over at Viper Dealer Roanoke Dodge.
 
The current Viper we know and love today will only be around for 500 more units, which will be done around June 2010. Word on the street is that the next Viper will be in development shortly after that, with plenty of help "from other Fiat brands." That should make things interesting, that is, if an "S.F." is involved under the hood.

You just know it's going to be Iveco.
 
The Viper needs its own race car, hard as rock on the road chassis, not something from a fat GT car (or a whiney engine that tries to show off with HP/L > actual performance).
 
The Viper needs its own race car, hard as rock on the road chassis, not something from a fat GT car (or a whiney engine that tries to show off with HP/L > actual performance).

So u still live in the 700 liters / 199 BHP era?

:dopey:
 
I still think that messing with the Viper is a rather suicidal move for the car (and a pointless one, at that. I can't imagine the car doesn't have huge profit margins), but otherwise it looks pretty good.

As for the Dodge brand, it will be interesting to see how it pans out. I'm guessing it is to circumvent CAFE.
 
Since it's not in Brad's post, I should probably put the Chrysler graphic here too:

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Chrysler:

I personally think they need an all-new Sebring. I'm not sure what a "major modification" means, but they had better put a lot of work into that thing if they want to be known as a good, quality brand. The compact and mid-sizer are a ways off, but if the "new" Sebring, 300 and T&C are good, they should be fine. Also, it's good to see them jumping on the Crossover bandwagon. While I don't particularly like them, Chrysler will need one to rake in some good money.

Dodge:

The Caliber and Avenger need to be replaced faster. But other than that, I'm looking forward to seeing what their new small and compact cars will be like. They'll have trouble making something class leading between the Fiesta and Polo, but it'd be great to see them with something competitive. And I trust that they can do better than GM here. They really have to.

Jeep:

I think they'll be alright with their plan. The Compass and Patriot are a bit superfluous, but everything else seems to be set to do pretty well.

But it all hinges on their quality. With the amount of talk of quality going on over in Auburn Hills, it seems like they'll be pulling a Ford. And that would be good. But who knows if they'll be able to deliver.
 
But it all hinges on their quality. With the amount of talk of quality going on over in Auburn Hills, it seems like they'll be pulling a Ford. And that would be good. But who knows if they'll be able to deliver.
See: 2009 Ram.
The Grand Cherokee concepts they showed off pre-bankruptcy looked pretty good as well.
 
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