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The "Good" Chrysler Thread: Making Vanilla, Vanilla
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Your Questions Have Been Answered:
What Will We Be Getting From the Alliance?
1) The Fiat 500, most-certainly (will likely be built on the old PT Cruiser line in Mexico)
2) A Chrysler or Dodge-badged version of the Panda
3) A Chrysler version of the Grande Punto, perhaps the Grande Punto itself, and presumably the Alfa Romeo MiTo.
4) Use of the 1.4L or 1.8L DIG I4s in Chrysler products, assembled in Michigan
5) Use of the C-Evo platform to replace the Caliber and possibly the Avenger/Sebring
6) Fiat gets the Phoenix V6 program options
7) Dodge gets to sell the Dakota and Journey in Fiat showrooms in South America
Like the article says, its a bit one-sided in favor of Chrysler, but Fiat is getting some cheap manufacturing capacity and a dealer network without much of a signing problem.
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All I care about is getting the 500...
What Will We Be Getting From the Alliance?
1) The Fiat 500, most-certainly (will likely be built on the old PT Cruiser line in Mexico)
2) A Chrysler or Dodge-badged version of the Panda
3) A Chrysler version of the Grande Punto, perhaps the Grande Punto itself, and presumably the Alfa Romeo MiTo.
4) Use of the 1.4L or 1.8L DIG I4s in Chrysler products, assembled in Michigan
5) Use of the C-Evo platform to replace the Caliber and possibly the Avenger/Sebring
6) Fiat gets the Phoenix V6 program options
7) Dodge gets to sell the Dakota and Journey in Fiat showrooms in South America
Like the article says, its a bit one-sided in favor of Chrysler, but Fiat is getting some cheap manufacturing capacity and a dealer network without much of a signing problem.
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All I care about is getting the 500...
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I think an SRT version of the Grande Punto with Abarth parts would be entertaining. Unfortunately, Chrylser is only getting two new cars when just about everything they sell now is absolutely awful. And are we getting anything more than the Mi.To and 8C over here? I think there are some people who would like a 159.
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I'd assume the 159 would still be on the plate, but we may have to wait until the next version comes out, or, a significantly updated one. It sounds like whatever Fiat ends up giving us, with actual Fiat or Alfa badges, it won't be a lot... But it will be enough.
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This could be beneficial (Fiat engines are confusing to me), but what really needs to happen is the tossing of most of the cars that use the Dodge engines rather than swapping the Dodge engines for Fiat engines. However, I do wonder why Dodge is only interested in the turbo 1.4. For that matter, what is the DIG 1.8 even used in?
If they want a new Avenger chassis, I'd think they'd rather want the one under the Chroma, if only just to screw with GM. Going along that line, can you imagine the lulz if Chrysler came out with an Avenger replacement on a GM platform with GM engines? They could put the Ecotec in the lower models and the High Feature in the high models!
Granted, I'm guessing the GM models would be better, but the thought still amuses me.
Does Fiat (the brand, not the conglomerate) have cars that use Petrol V6s? Maybe I'm being mean, but when I think of the list of "Things Chrysler has Proven to be Good At," V6 engines don't spring to mind. Their V8 program is easily the best on the market, and their I4 program is at least tolerable, but all of their V6s (barring the 3.5 HO and big 4.0 SOHC) are kinda shady.
I thought the Dakota was on its way out?
To be fair, they are getting two cars that could conceivably be stretched to replace Chrysler's two worst cars. Most of the rest of the stable is at least servicable serviceable.Philly
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Damn, wish I got one of those. A classic beetle with a 2 liter EFI engine, airconditioning and a CD player for the same price as a regular compact car? Hell yes! But finding one of those New Old Beetles secondhand is damn hard...
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Ah... 1.6, 2.0, what's the difference? One can? 
Yeah... it's a 1.6, my bad... and it probably makes no power, but with fuel injection, it would be less finicky than a carb engine (at least as long as the electronics hold out), and it's still a Beetle. With AC. I still want one.
Yeah... it's a 1.6, my bad... and it probably makes no power, but with fuel injection, it would be less finicky than a carb engine (at least as long as the electronics hold out), and it's still a Beetle. With AC. I still want one.
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Don't blame ya...most tunable motor/car in the universe. I don't even think the SBC is as well supported worldwide as the Volkswagen.
I reccommend Weber 48 IDAs, myself. Perhaps tuned for a turbo.
But, I digress, this has gone far enough offtopic.
I reccommend Weber 48 IDAs, myself. Perhaps tuned for a turbo.
But, I digress, this has gone far enough offtopic.
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I'd hope they wouldn't change the safety features, it's the safest cars of it's size in this country (IIRC) and has been a big selling point. Mine was designed in Italy but built in Poland, it's been faultless so far and so have most others, I think Fiat are actually getting their act together when it comes to build quality and reliability.
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Actually, I'm not certain. I know that trucks sell well here in the Colonies, and they have little standards at all.
I'm just familiar with European cars getting more boring as they come over here.
By the way, all I want is that Grande Punto. Keep your fiddly 500s to yousrelves, I just want pretty car.
I'm just familiar with European cars getting more boring as they come over here.
By the way, all I want is that Grande Punto. Keep your fiddly 500s to yousrelves, I just want pretty car.
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More or less, the companies have three reasons why they don't bring their cars here:
1) Currency exchange rates make importing worthless
2) Costs associated with NHTSA crash testing can be very high, and depending on how successful the car could be, they may opt-out
3) Emissions standards, because give or take, the EPA makes everything hard
Still, if the 500 (badged as a FIAT in NA by the way) is built in Mexico, the only thing they really need to worry about is the crash testing. If they can get the Cooper and the Fiesta to pass that easily, Fiat won't have a problem.
1) Currency exchange rates make importing worthless
2) Costs associated with NHTSA crash testing can be very high, and depending on how successful the car could be, they may opt-out
3) Emissions standards, because give or take, the EPA makes everything hard
Still, if the 500 (badged as a FIAT in NA by the way) is built in Mexico, the only thing they really need to worry about is the crash testing. If they can get the Cooper and the Fiesta to pass that easily, Fiat won't have a problem.
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It'd be easier for carmakers if both Europe and the US used the same systems.
Euro emissions aren't inferior to EPA, just different in focus (and urea injection seems to solve the difference in NOx), as are EuroNCAP crash tests... in fact, some cars which get the golden 5-star ratings from the US organizations actually score poorly in Europe, as the EuroNCAP takes off points for cabin deformation, even if a properly beltecd dummy doesn't hit a protruding structure, if it's too close for comfort, it's potentially lethal to a non-standard sized human.
Euro emissions aren't inferior to EPA, just different in focus (and urea injection seems to solve the difference in NOx), as are EuroNCAP crash tests... in fact, some cars which get the golden 5-star ratings from the US organizations actually score poorly in Europe, as the EuroNCAP takes off points for cabin deformation, even if a properly beltecd dummy doesn't hit a protruding structure, if it's too close for comfort, it's potentially lethal to a non-standard sized human.
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and being one of those "non Standard Sized" humans myself (especially for the states), I'd personally have something on the smaller side so I can feel bigger (storage, though, is gonna be a pain in the butt). for some reason, the "average american" is now well over 6 feet/1.8. tall and over 200lbs/100 kilos...everything's upsized for guys that fold in half if they're over 5'9"/1.7+ in anything smaller than what we used to term a "full sized" car. that's why I'd look foreward to a Cinq. it'd also be nice to see my mother not have to practically get a stepladder to get in a vehicle...especially at her age.
the biggest pain in the butt is when someone bums your car, and you get in and find the seat ALL the way back, the wheel ALL the way up, and your mirrors practically pointing up in the air because everybody elses eyeheight is a foot/300 mm above yours
Niky: you know dang well why everything's not standardized, yet. Americans won't have it. (and I hope we didn't screw up YOUR standards over there, any, either)
the biggest pain in the butt is when someone bums your car, and you get in and find the seat ALL the way back, the wheel ALL the way up, and your mirrors practically pointing up in the air because everybody elses eyeheight is a foot/300 mm above yours
Niky: you know dang well why everything's not standardized, yet. Americans won't have it. (and I hope we didn't screw up YOUR standards over there, any, either)
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In the 70s or so, 5-mph-durable bumpers were mandated, but they were so expensive to produce that the standard was repealed almost instantly. They decided the higher repair bills are more acceptable than higher production costs. Now, a bumper must only be able to shrug off a 2.5 mph collision. I never heard anything about needing to break at 5 mph.
Anyway, when did Fiat get out of VAG?
Anyway, when did Fiat get out of VAG?
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Well, given that I have a kid who can't travel without a week's worth of clothes, baby bottles and assorted paraphernalia, I'm not complaining too much about American bloat.
I'd say you only have to accept the fact that Kilometers per hour is superior and your assimilation will be complete. Everything sounds faster in Kilometers per hour.
