The Great Project Cars Whinging and Crying Thread

Also why is a 5 lap race considered a "long race" :confused:
Well if it was on Nurburgring it kind of is a long race being over a 1/2 hour but on some of the short tracks it is barely enough to warm to tires so who knows.

I wish they had other grid options for starting an online race. Would be nice to have an option for random, finish order from previous race, reverse finish order previous race. Of course there would still be the option to set up qualifying and set the grid based on that but I generally prefer just getting straight to the race and not wasting 10-30 minutes while waiting for people to practice and/or qualify. Just put me on the track and say go and I'm good be it from the poll or last place.

On short races the qualifying is more important to winning but it really makes no sense to even bother with it for short races. Better to have a few grid options and go straight to racing. I personally prefer random as there you never know what position you will start in and everyone has an equal chance at any position.
 
I prefer 7-10 lap races on the average sized tracks myself. 3-5 is too short most of the time and doesn't allow for much strategy, just basically a balls to the wall sprint. Problem is the longer the race, even 5-10 laps, the more people drop out.
 
Grrr! Why do the default kart setups have so much tire pressure!? I managed to tune it out easily but I can't imagine how frustrating it must be for some of the tuning-impaired to be robbed of their precious grip.
(Running 0.6 bar seems ideal in-game on both the Super and 125 CC kart, for those of you wondering. The defaults go well in excess of 0.7 or even 1.05!)
 
Still can't use my Fanatec GT2 wheel in Project CARS. My G25 pedals are not registering now. I'm getting to the end of my tether with this bug filled mess of a game!

I've had Project CARS & a supposedly compatible wheel for over a month now, & I've not even been able to put 1 lap in yet.

This is without a shadow of a doubt the single worst gaming experience of my entire life.



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EDIT: Working now: you have to calibrate the pedals before use. Would've been nice to be told that beforehand.
 
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Still can't use my Fanatec GT2 wheel in Project CARS. My G25 pedals are not registering now. I'm getting to the end of my tether with this bug filled mess of a game!

I've had Project CARS & a supposedly compatible wheel for over a month now, & I've not even been able to put 1 lap in yet.

This is without a shadow of a doubt the single worst gaming experience of my entire life.



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Don't worry they'll fix it in a few days, 'creative' days that is.
 
For some reason the driving view has changed. I use cockpit view an up to now has been ok, now I still have cockpit view but it is from the middle of the car not the driving seat. I have not tampered with this up till now but what ever I do I cannot change the view, really annoying and to be honest getting a bit fed up with this game.
 
For some reason the driving view has changed. I use cockpit view an up to now has been ok, now I still have cockpit view but it is from the middle of the car not the driving seat. I have not tampered with this up till now but what ever I do I cannot change the view, really annoying and to be honest getting a bit fed up with this game.
This is odd. You sure you're not in passenger cam mode? It's right between cockpit and helmet cams. Otherwise I don't know how this could've happened.
 
Awesome. Was leading race 2 of round 1 at Brno, for the GT3 Euro Championship. Raining from the start. Leading the race, decided to pit on the 10th lap as it wasn't raining anymore and all my tires were red, now I'm stuck in the pits. No message about wheel nuts, and have been stuck for 3 minutes now. Obviously I'm going to have to start the race all over again, as I even pressed the simulate to end, and I'm still sitting here. :banghead:

EDIT/ADDITION:

Alright now I'm pissed. Second try at Race 2. This time I fared much better. By lap 6 I was about 7 seconds in the lead, vs the first try up until the 10th lap before pitting I was hounded by the AI with no space between us. Anyways, after lap 9 my lead was 17 seconds. Again, lap 10 I was going to pit, but then I noticed it says pit box occupied. So I continued. I decided to continue on. By lap 12 I notice the 2nd place start gaining on me, with the lead by 15 seconds. Decide to pit, thinking 2 laps is plenty of time for my teammate to complete his pit. I dive in to the pits, and boom nearly the whole grid is there pitting. I was forced to drive through, with the second place flying by to 1st. Next lap, the leader dives into pits, and so do I, for the second time. Guess what, the whole grid is still there in the pits. The leader gets a spot to pit, I drive through again. 3rd try, same thing, my teammate and the whole grid is still there.

So now that's two for two tries failing. So bizarre. And frustrating.

Tl;dr Race 1 ended with me being stuck in pits forever. Race 2 ended up with me not being able to pit because nearly the whole grid decided to quit and park at pitlane.
 
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Awesome. Was leading race 2 of round 1 at Brno, for the GT3 Euro Championship. Raining from the start. Leading the race, decided to pit on the 10th lap as it wasn't raining anymore and all my tires were red, now I'm stuck in the pits. No message about wheel nuts, and have been stuck for 3 minutes now. Obviously I'm going to have to start the race all over again, as I even pressed the simulate to end, and I'm still sitting here. :banghead:

EDIT/ADDITION:

Alright now I'm pissed. Second try at Race 2. This time I fared much better. By lap 6 I was about 7 seconds in the lead, vs the first try up until the 10th lap before pitting I was hounded by the AI with no space between us. Anyways, after lap 9 my lead was 17 seconds. Again, lap 10 I was going to pit, but then I noticed it says pit box occupied. So I continued. I decided to continue on. By lap 12 I notice the 2nd place start gaining on me, with the lead by 15 seconds. Decide to pit, thinking 2 laps is plenty of time for my teammate to complete his pit. I dive in to the pits, and boom nearly the whole grid is there pitting. I was forced to drive through, with the second place flying by to 1st. Next lap, the leader dives into pits, and so do I, for the second time. Guess what, the whole grid is still there in the pits. The leader gets a spot to pit, I drive through again. 3rd try, same thing, my teammate and the whole grid is still there.

So now that's two for two tries failing. So bizarre. And frustrating.

Tl;dr Race 1 ended with me being stuck in pits forever. Race 2 ended up with me not being able to pit because nearly the whole grid decided to quit and park at pitlane.
Did you assign a button to request pit?
 
Did you assign a button to request pit?

Yep. But when it's mandatory pitstop it doesn't matter anyways. I always press it but nothing happens. In the second place, after 2 laps, the same cars, 20 of them, were all in the pits. Definitely a bug
 
Alright you guys are going to think I'm making this up. So I tried the race a third time, this time lowering the AI and doing just 6 laps because I'm tired of replaying this race and just wanted it over with. I put in after the 3rd lap, and changed to mediums. Pit was super quick, once I got out of the pits I spun out. Thought **** maybe I chose the wrong tire and the track is still wet. Look at my tires, all red. 3rd try, this time done for by the pit overheat tires bug.
 
Yeah I have to say after trying to play through this game multiple times now i'm pretty over it, the bugs that basically punish me randomly (overheating possibly due to not getting the right tyres even after picking a specfic pit strategy), the AI randomly doing impossible lap times 30 seconds faster then everyone else in qualifying, infinite loading bug at least once every time i launch it, AI still being much faster in the rain through corners even when taking the same line in the same car at a very similar speed.

I think i'm just going to give it 5-6 months and see what is fixed, right now it just seems like SMS tried to accomplish something that is way too large for their company, the staff on the PCars forums seem to be getting very angry at people sometimes for them asking legitimate questions with no criticism so it seems like they are getting frustrated as well.
 
For me the FFB is a spikey, clipping mess most of the time (PS4+T300) no matter what settings I use. And since the controller support is terrible, combined with the inconsistent AI, I just can’t enjoy it ATM. As a WMD member I should have seen that coming, but somehow I had higher expectations for the console version being smoother. I’ll wait and see if they ever manage to fix it and hope that the financial return will at least cover the cost of the PC and PS4 versions I have…
 
This is odd. You sure you're not in passenger cam mode? It's right between cockpit and helmet cams. Otherwise I don't know how this could've happened.

The view I always used was seeing hands on steering wheel, now the view is if I am sitting in the middle between both front seats, now I can see the driver to one side. I take it this is what you referred to as passenger cam mode.
What ever I try I cannot seem to change this.

On a side note, when returning ' to dashboard', why has the default setting gone from being calendar to abandon season, I can see people pressing X by mistake, very odd.

I did my first race with pit stop with the Caterham, in leaving the pits all my tyres were red, it took three slow laps to get green tyres, I checked the tyres and they were correct for conditions.
 
Well not only am I having trouble with the steering and driving view point, I now cannot have Hud display.
Again I have not tampered with this at all until now, I have tried the options and nothing, I press the square button which will show a Hud display but will disappear straight away, very disappointed with this game.
 
The bug with the tyres and configuration still there.

Everytime i change my settings on the box, the pit man doesn't allow me to get out, so i have to push start and go back to pits again(and don't acess the configuration again).

That wasn't a big problem if sometimes, the configuration i just made, was totally lost and some other random configs get in.
 
By the time all these bugs are fixed, the G25/G27 divers will be added, so maybe I'll wait until then to play it!


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I was racing the three hour McLaren F1 race and I scaled it down to 30 minutes because I really didn't want to do it. I had to pit with six minutes to go for gas and I said 15l and no tires. So of course I get 30l of gas and all four tires changed. Then as I leave pit road my car gitches into the road. Really? six minutes to go and my car can't drive. I'm tired of this broken game.
 
it is so bugged i decided to quit career mode waiting for an update
I will never buy a game from SMS again at release date
i don't even know what they guys of the community actually played and tested in 4 years...
 
it is so bugged i decided to quit career mode waiting for an update
I will never buy a game from SMS again at release date
i don't even know what they guys of the community actually played and tested in 4 years...

The development version. Some bugs like the tires being flat after a pit stop thing were introduced with the release version or shortly before. There were always gonna be some bugs but the amount of game breaking bugs, especially in the console versions, surprised us just as much as you.
 
In reading the posts there seems to be a huge range of problems being experienced. I have no HUD display, wayward steering, red tyres and a fixed middle of the car driving position when in car, as of yet I have not experienced invisible walls, game crashing, flat tyres or any pit stop hassles.
The few things I have come across has stopped me playing for the time being.
What isn't a bug but is annoying is people having a good time with this game.
 
The development version. Some bugs like the tires being flat after a pit stop thing were introduced with the release version or shortly before. There were always gonna be some bugs but the amount of game breaking bugs, especially in the console versions, surprised us just as much as you.

I find it nice to see a WMD member saying this. It's not all lost yet.

Thanks.
 
Silverstone International driving Caterhams, one of the AI cars goes off track on the outside of first left hander then in trying to rejoin it rocketed past me fast enough to give the F1 cars a run for their money in a few weeks time.
Have seen this a few times now, a bit arcadey.
Seriously thinking of selling this game.
 
Totally loving superkarts atm, how unstable it is in a straight line, but oh how fun it is to throw it around the corners. I do however hate the AI for superkarts. Unlike other disciplines, where the AI at least try to avoid you, the AI in superkarts seem like they are using you as target practice. Whenever I make a mistake and recover, especially if I happen to be on the racing line unfortunately, the AI doesn't try to avoid you. They straight up tag you in the butt and ram you off. One time I spun out and happened to stop near the apex. I hurriedly started and tried to move out of the racing line, only to have an AI not only tag me in the back, but he actually somehow drove his kart straight under mine. My kart flew up over his helmet and he continued on his merry way. At least it was funny to see!
 
Suppose this is 'the most appropriate' place/sub-forum to bring this up, kinda...

I had thought about bringing this up for the Community Spotlight, or just the front-page news as it's something that, in my opinion, needs to be more directly addressed, as the longer time goes on, things keep getting 'deeper and deeper' with a certain game and it's development studio personnel.

That game being Project CARS, and it's head-of-studio Ian Bell, and his increasingly... upsetting/disappointing behavior towards any confrontation or criticism of the game, on and off the official P.CARS forum.

I'll be blunt, a lot of this came to me through Pretend Race Cars, a site I didn't even know about, until YouTuber Empty Box left a link to it, in a video, that started to unravel a lot of truth behind the scenes for P.CARS.

Granted, some of the postings are done out-of-context, but nothing is stopping visitors from checking the full threads themselves, and bringing back some of the context, but that doesn't change the fact that something is going on here/there/everywhere with this game, its bugs, its studio, and their approach to community concerns & critique.

That original link brought up multiple, genuine concerns in a number of areas, from website 'sell-outs', to repeated & recycled 'news' re-hashing, and even showing just how easily 'P.CARS defenders' would get upset over revealing the game was a mess, even so close to a final release.
Empty Box even makes a note about such, mentioning how he had people messaging him, a guy who knows a bit about sim-racing and has played the game, how he was doing things wrong and that the game was This kind of game, rather than That kind of game. (it's all in that video)

But where things really became interesting, was the responses that could be seen of how Ian Bell addressed these concerns and/or criticism himself, brought up in later articles further down the road.

The thread over at RD was more or less the door opening, and be sure to read it, as it gets interesting with Ian Bell trying to guilt-trip site owner Bram over 10 alleged 'free copies' of the game, only to have Bram turn right around and show his Steam purchase confirmation for the game, all of this after RD users bring up issues with the game, some that were covered at the official forums, some that were not. It eventually turns to a history lesson of sorts, and recalls a time that Bell threatened a lawsuit towards RD over open-criticism, more or less.

After some bickering and back-n-forth, Bram makes the point that Bell has only returned to 'stir things up' as he did years before P.CARS was even close to 'competent', and after that ?, well I haven't seen much of him at RD. Some say users were :censored:ing down his throat, Others point out he never even made an attempt to address the serious questions, focusing on the internet-fight instead on a personal bias more than looking to help the greater whole with direct answers to the questions.

I'll admit, some of what RD users did was hard-hitting, but after 4 years of development for this game, plus everything in the past he had been involved with, Bell should at least be aware of the 'nature of the beast' that is the Internet IMO.

Reiza Studios doesn't seem to have an issue helping out players, who are experiencing FPS stutters, even getting involved and suggesting things to try, and asking for feedback after players try those tweaks, so why can't Bell ?

I've seen mention here of WMD members working with P.CARS players, in a similar manner, to investigate issues between the PC & Console versions of the game, which is all fine and well, this post being more focused on Bell's handling of situations, rather than 'the whole' of SMS/WMD. Bell just appears to avoid the issues and sticks to his 'nah that is a preference, not a issue' guns.

But it only gets more absurd from here.
Questionable warning/infractions towards users with genuine concerns
Sacastic or general-belittlement of community concerns
What I'd call straight-up forgery on their own forums

And a whole lot of other incidents, that I could go and find/link over and over, but I'm not here to waste your time, I just want to bring up what I've seen, what others have seen, or at least bring you up to speed with the whole 'situation', such as this article from yesterday.

Check the article yourself, but here's a quick breakdown:
-Bell closes a decent 5-page thread about the issues players are having with G27 wheels, because calling the game what it is 'hurts feelings' apparently. (but not before having another jab at a user himself)
-Then bans said member, another in a long line of players with unaddressed concerns being silenced out-right.
-Only to have said member come back, point out what he did was no ground for such action, only to have 1 mod state a 'sudden' Zero-tolerance mood being part of it, only to have Bell come in, and like a little child, tell the user to 'Shut up you Idiot'.

You can read the rest for yourself if you wish, but basically this all seems to paint a picture that Ian Bell just can't handle the responsibility of his position for the game in a professional manner.

'Zero-tolerance', why ?, for what ?, the truth ?, the reality that it was a pretty 🤬 game at launch, and still far from finished ?

Why add the 'idiot' insult ?, where is the 'sorry for your issue, we're working as fast as we can' professional-type response ?, is he not capable of such ?

Imagine if this was Mr.Yamauchi treating GT players like this, would that suddenly be acceptable because he's 'Kazunori-san' and it's Gran Turismo ?, or would GTP be in a uproar ?

Would you be cool if Mr.Yamauchi treated you in such a manner ? (Q&A aside :sly: )

I supposed I'm just rambling at this point, but I just felt a need to bring this up in some fashion, rather than just let Bell have his way with customers that payed for the game and it's 'supported' equipment, who just want their concerns addressed. Some will agree with me that Bell's behavior is far from appropriate or proper, and it needs to see a change, others will see the PretendRaceCars connection and instantly go into some sort of odd, freaky 'offense-mode'.

Something funny about that end^ bit though, one of the PRC writers mysteriously received an unexplained ban from iRacing, after publishing an article the site did on one of the game's beginner series. When the iRacing defenders came out of the wood-work to try and discredit the writer, they made numerous claims, many of which ended up getting disproved to a notable extent not long after.

(Not P.CARS related per se, but something that shows how people can blindly defend/attack things when PRC comes up elsewhere)

Anyways, there you have my 'P.CARS' whinging/crying post, not because I have an issue with the game atm, but because I can't say I approve of the head-of-studio's behavior, as it is.
 
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