The Group C Club!

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I've really wanted to get into closed-cockpit racing more often, I usually just watch F1, WRC, and the rare NASCAR race. I hardly ever get to watch this kind of racing and would really like to know more aobut it, so I'll probably be hovering around here quite often. Count me in.
 
PS, consider yourself the newest member. If your looking for info, check these sites out.
answers.com (type "24 Hours of Le Mans")
americanlemans.com (the 2005 super speedsters)
racingcircuits.net (the different tracks on which they raced)
 
Well, bimmer, let's not forget that the rules changes were put in place to slow the turbo cars and to favor French manufacturer Peugeot's return to Le Mans.

The Porsche 956/962 also had very little competition at Le Mans during the years it was winning. In the earliest years, the only "serious" competition that the 956 had was the Rondeau.

It wasn't until 1983 that the fast but fragile Lancia LC2's showed up. They remained the only threat to Porsche dominance of Group C racing until they withdrew in 1985.

1986 was the year that Tom Walkinshaw Racing, with Silk Cut sponsorship and factory backing, took everything that Fabcar and Bob Tullius's infamous Group 44 had learned in their Jaguar GTP program and began assaulting Porsche's dominance. In 1987, they won Le Mans, and they did it again in 1988.

1988 was also the year we saw the emergence of Toyota's 88C program, Nissan's series of Group C prototypes, and the Sauber-Mercedes alliance that led to an overall victory in 1989.

1989 being one of the hardest fought 24 Hours of Le Mans in history and also the debut of the Aston Martin AMR1.

By 1989, the 962's saving graces were reliability and strength in numbers. But the speed of the massive factory efforts of Nissan, Mazda, Toyota, Jaguar, Mercedes, and Aston Martin were proving more than the stretched 956 could handle.

1990 was another year of Jaguar triumph, and 1991 proved to be the grand fluke as Mazda's 787B came from 19th on the grid to win a mechanical failure laden 24 Hours, with all three Jaguars right behind it.

However, it must be noted that 1991 was also the year of the "category split" in Group C that was intended to introduce a more modern form of the Group C prototype with less reliance on turbochargers and downforce. The primary Category 1 cars were the new Peugeot 905's, while most everything else was a Category 2 car.

Unfortunately, the die was cast. 1992 was contended primarily by Cat. 1 cars, and the only Cat. 1 cars with realistic chances of winning were the Peugeots. Toyota's TSO10 put up a gallant fight to take 2nd, and Mazda's swan song in prototype racing, the Judd V10 powered MXR-01, captured a solid fourth, but only Toyota would return the next year to contend with Peugeot.

By 1994, all that was left of the mighty Group C class was a mishmash of prototypes titled "LMP1/C90". Expanded rules in the GT1 class, coupled with Dauer's run of "street legal" 962's, meant that a pair of Porsche 962's were able to run the GT1 class, where it claimed the final victory at Le Mans for a Group C car.
 
Add me to the club If I see any Group C cars at Goodwood FOS this year I get some photos for everyone.
 
I love the Saubers which I think it stands for "clean" or something like that in German. Anyways the C11 is awesome, what I would like to know is there only two Saubers? The C9 & C11? or is there more?

Edit: Sign me up.. do we get T-Shirts? and name tags? :lol:
 
C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, C9, C11, C291 - there were no C10's for phonetic reasons (hard to say in german)
 
TheCracker
C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, C9, C11, C291 - there were no C10's for phonetic reasons (hard to say in german)

Oh, well thanks TheCracker, though I'm doing some research on this Peter Sauber myself, funny though how he inserted the "C" cause of his wife Christiane. Anyhow yea the C10 wasn't made because of the difficult pronounciation, kinda lame if you ask me.

Anyways I'm reading that theres Sauber C12, C13, C14, C15, but they are contributed by different companies I suppose, like Ford, and Petronas, but that's jumping the gun, cause those are F1 cars. Anyhow good research. :sly:
 
They don't go all the way up to C291, I know there is a C291 but theres no C199, C200, C201 ect is there?. Theres a C20, thats one of the F1 cars.
 
live4speed
They don't go all the way up to C291, I know there is a C291 but theres no C199, C200, C201 ect is there?. Theres a C20, thats one of the F1 cars.

No they do not go all the way to C291, that would be too much . :sly: :lol: Anyways there is C20 and so forth, but the thing is those "C" are only F1 cars, which I don't really like as much because most F1 cars look all the same, of course there performance is amazing. :)
 
Gillet, TVR&Ferrari_Fan, welcome to the club. Gillet, I don't have t-shirts at the present time (soon ;) ) but feel free to put the club in your sig. That goes for all of you guys. :) I would think that is enough representation for now, but if you guys seriously want to make t-shirts and buttons, go right ahead. I don't have any patents or copyrights. :lol:

I don't really know the Saubers too well. I just liked the C9 after seeing it in GT4. It's good to be able to learn stuff from club members; I know I've learned a lot from all of you. 👍
 
The Sauber and the Minolta were made the year i was born i am split down the middle on which 1 i like best. in GT4 i have no wheel so i aint done Formula GT world yet so sadly no Sauber as of yet ( but i am buying a DFP This weekend).

I am looking forward to having a Sauber it should be GRR88

<waiting patiently for a DFP>
 
You guyz are in. Welcome. GranTuri, I just won the Sauber. The thing is way awesome. I'm loving it. But, my game just got all scratched up, so I have to go buy a new GT4 disc. :crazy: D'oh!
 
If you guys wanna add the club to your sigs, I would totally appreciate it. We're trying to get as many people to check out this awesome club as possible. Thanks!
 
Definately my favorite racing. Sign me up!
The March 84G is my favorite.
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= teh hotness!
 
Attention!
To all members of the Group C club: I will be hosting a picture contest for all of your favorite Group C racers. This is just for fun, there is no prize except for the glory.

The contest is this: Find your best pictures of any Group C, GTP, ALMS, or similar cars!

The maximum entries per person is 1 picture. Entries will be judged by myself and live4speed.

More info soon! Start collecting now!
 
I take it judges won't be entering incase they vote for themselves :lol:.
 
Attention

More info on the picture contest!

Live4speed and I will be judging. 1 pic per member.

Remember: there are no prizes, this is simply for fun.

To enter, just send me your picture via private message.

The contest starts tomarrow and ends on the last day in August.

All pictures will be judged on a 0-10 basis, and I will post scores every Monday.
 
I watched the Historic Group C/IMSA series at Silverstone last Sunday, half a dozen Jags (silkcut, castrol and budlight) a similar amount of 962/956's, Spices, Nissans and plenty others. Unfortunatly i forgot to take my camera :(
 
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