The GT Sport Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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GordonS
How about the FiA sanctioned GT tracks? Accuracy in them must be high. Although this is not the right thread to talk positively about them..
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Based on the beta they are not, track surface detail is missing as are brake marker boards from a number of the real world circuits.

The fantasy circuits would also fail FIA standards in a number of areas, in particular regarding armco and run off.
 
Scaff
Based on the beta they are not, track surface detail is missing as are brake marker boards from a number of the real world circuits.

The fantasy circuits would also fail FIA standards in a number of areas, in particular regarding armco and run off.
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Are you sure all the real world FiA security standards apply in virtual reality?
It was FiA that contacted PoDi if I remember correctly. So maybe a gaming aspect has been adopted when they want to approach gamers.
Also regarding the beta, many things were work in progress.
 
GordonS
Who needs? Nobody at the moment. Game changer? Maybe not. But that is not the point. You @fatkid wanted the sugars, I gave you. Maybe with a pinch of sarcasm but the fact is nobody else uses such a accuracy in driving game world as PoDi.
Hopefully we now have the real future proofing ongoing.


Maybe not clearly enough.
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On a serious note, "nits" is the best you could come up with? Before GT Sport was announced, how high was nits on your list of must have things in your most wanted driving/racing game or any video game in general? Were you even aware of it or have the sufficient screen to display it? Or did it just become a important because PD announced it, so automatically it becomes an important thing?

How about actual things that tangibly effect the game? Including a clutch mapped button to more accurately simulate shifting, rev loss, and acceleration? Hell GT struggles with even automatic gearing. Tyre pressure, where is that? Proper collision physics, which were horribly absent from the beta that I had, and once again helped dirty online racers knock me off track, and look laughable in even newer builds shown on videos? But you're more interested in cosmetics? Fine then, how about dirt accumulation? But I guess the nice car wash option that allows you to give the cars a showroom shine is more of technical achievment, as GT is the only series that has that? Haven't even mentioned the time of day cycle and variable weather from previous GT's that is now absent. Cosmetic damage looks a no-no. But some how nits is the most important thing on the shopping list?

GordonS
How about the FiA sanctioned GT tracks? Accuracy in them must be high. Although this is not the right thread to talk positively about them..
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""Welcome to my parlour!" I and many others have expressed our valid opinions over there. Do you care to have a look?
 
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GordonS
Are you sure all the real world FiA security standards apply in virtual reality?
It was FiA that contacted PoDi if I remember correctly. So maybe a gaming aspect has been adopted when they want to approach gamers.
Also regarding the beta, many things were work in progress.
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If the standards aren't the same in virtual reality then they don't carry much meaning do they?
 
fatkid
On a serious note, "nits" is the best you could come up with? Before GT Sport was announced, how high was nits on your list of must have things in your most wanted driving/racing game or any video game in general? Were you even aware of it or have the sufficient screen to display it? Or did it just become a important because PD announced it, so automatically it becomes an important thing?

How about actual things that tangibly effect the game? Including a clutch mapped button to more accurately simulate shifting, rev loss, and acceleration? Hell GT struggles with even automatic gearing. Tyre pressure, where is that? Proper collision physics, which were horribly absent from the beta that I had, and once again helped dirty online racers knock me off track, and look laughable in even newer builds shown on videos? But your more interested in cosmetics? Fine then, how about dirt accumulation? But I guess the nice car wash option that allows you to give the cars a showroom shine is more of technical achievment, as GT is the only series that has that? Haven't even mentioned the time of day cycle and variable weather from previous GT's that is now absent. Cosmetic damage looks a no-no. But some how nits is the most important thing on the shopping list?



""Welcome to my parlour!" I and many others have expressed our valid opinions over there. Do you care to have a look?
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No need to derail the graphical quality discussion to wish lists. I didn't say I need the nits. It was an answer to you and your attitude. I have no more to say about that topic.
Care to elaborate that parlour part? It didn't open up to me.
ImaRobot
If you didn't think so than it's odd that you'd bring up the FIA in the first place.
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I mean the fictional tracks, sorry.
FiA will be in GTS. Do you think they will apply strict real world rules in every area in GTS racing?
 
GordonS
Are you sure all the real world FiA security standards apply in virtual reality?
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I'm making no such claim, you are the one who linked FIA sponsorship to the degree of track accuracy, not me.

GordonS
It was FiA that contacted PoDi if I remember correctly. So maybe a gaming aspect has been adopted when they want to approach gamers.
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Which would contradict the claim you made that they must be accurate because of the FIA!

GordonS
Also regarding the beta, many things were work in progress.
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It was a Beta indeed, but having been a beta tester for Sony for over a decade that degree of change (the entire track surface) is not something you throw in at the last moment, particularly given that it would render any data you obtained from the beta regarding the physics engine utterly useless.
 
GordonS
@Scaff
Sir, you brought the fictional tracks into discussion. I meant in those, would FiA take more of a gaming approach?
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Which is utterly irrelevant to the point you made about tracks being more accurate because of the FIA.

However to answer your strawman argument, if the FIA involvement is expected to be taken seriously then yes, all tracks should be managed in the exact same way, design them to meet the same regulations that real world tracks would for the class of racing they hold. Unless that the case any claim that the fictional tracks are FIA sanctioned is meaningless.

However I was specifically talking about issues with the track surface and missing brake markers in regard to real world tracks, if the FIA are resonsiable for ensuring that accuracy (or lack of) then they have failed.

Its easy to tell if you actually read what was said.

You said:
"How about the FiA sanctioned GT tracks? Accuracy in them must be high. Although this is not the right thread to talk positively about them.."

To which I replied:
"Based on the beta they are not, track surface detail is missing as are brake marker boards from a number of the real world circuits.

The fantasy circuits would also fail FIA standards in a number of areas, in particular regarding armco and run off."

Notice the separation between the first sentence and the second, they are two different points. The first sentence directly addresses why the FIA sanction is not a guarantee of track accuracy, the second is a further observation about, but not directly part of the first reply.
 
GordonS
He has heard someone saying PoDi has claimed PS4 being hard to program.

But really, not even close PoDi attention to detail.


Yes and no. There is still differences between them.
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There's a difference between campaign mode and career mode, it's the same difference.

Campaign mode= Unchartered, COD, TLOU, GTA, Resident Evil, and so on.

Career mode= FIFA, PES, NBA, NFL, Racing games, Sports games, and so on.

GTS has side quests disguised as a career/ campaign mode.

dimassa19
This does not mean that the person has reached the perfection.
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It means that when you make GT5, you don't look at the PS3 assetts and say ooh they look great, now throw in car models from the PS1and PS2 era in.
 
It says a lot when I'm having more fun with GT3 than GT6 in 2017.

It's sad because GT has so much motential as a brand. It's not just a racing game for many. IMO even if racing games tend to be a niche genre today, a good GT like GT3 will still sell a lot. It's not a matter of sim value, real tracks... just some very bad game design choices. They know how disappointed we are without a career mode, I was naive enough to think that Poly would be humble and used the delay to implement a career mode. We'll see but the popularity of GT today is near from zero on internet.
 
GordonS
No need to derail the graphical quality discussion to wish lists. I didn't say I need the nits. It was an answer to you and your attitude. I have no more to say about that topic.
Care to elaborate that parlour part? It didn't open up to me.
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You mentioned PoDi's attention to detail, and only managed to provide a feature that adds very little to a racing game, and will be available to only a small percentage of players. And yet I provide you with several features that other developers are miles ahead of than PoDi, or which PoDi ignore all together, and then claim to "not turn this in a wish list". Very conveniently now you decide you don't want to talk on the subject anymore when you are being shown the shortcomings of PoDi amd GT Sport. I think you are making the right choice considering we are both looking for different things from a racing game. And my point of view isn't hampered by blind, unquestioning devotion to single game developer, but rather quality and quantity by which ever developer provides the best experience.

Let's just agree to disagree. Enjoy your beloved nits. I will be happy racing a full grid of "official" FIA Group 5, Group C and GT1 class cars at Imola, Portimao, classic SPA and classic hockenheim and 50 others in variable daylight and weather.

Peace.
 
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The thread title needs to be changed.

It's basically baiting. The thread creator even says "The announcement has been made and the previews have been released, let the whining and crying begin!" to stir up a pot. This is my least favorite part of the thread, and just pointing things out as good is "discussion".

My two dollars
 
Suzumiya
The thread title needs to be changed.

It's basically baiting. The thread creator even says "The announcement has been made and the previews have been released, let the whining and crying begin!" to stir up a pot. This is my least favorite part of the thread, and just pointing things out as good is "discussion".

My two dollars
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I was thinking of the same thing. To the regulars of this thread, they know this is a place of proper discussion and (mostly) valid criticisms. But to the average viewer, the title indicate this is just an echo chamber for the haters not worthy of notice. It's very misleading.
 
Marqus
I was thinking of the same thing. To the regulars of this thread, they know this is a place of proper discussion and (mostly) valid criticisms. But to the average viewer, the title indicate this is just an echo chamber for the haters not worthy of notice. It's very misleading.
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And unfortunately, those that do enter the thread usually are trying to defend the honor of the GT series, when in reality, it is the discussions of a noticeable and respectful sect of GT fan that is willing to poke holes in GT Sport.

I do agree that the title of the thread should have been changed a long time ago. "GT Sport Debate thread' sounds so much better and less inflammatory.
 
Tired Tyres
It is called "Epic Whining and Crying" for a reason. That is what it is here for. That is its purpose. There are other threads for normal discussion.
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Not necessarily. It was created by people who didn't want to hear negative talk about a game, so they arbitrarily decided to make a thread for the people, and try to lock them in one place. The thread was titled as a backhanded insult to those who have negative opinions of the game. Since then, it has become the norm, and accepted as the place to be able to talk about negative aspects of the game, yet that's not to say we're obligated or confined to this area for that specific reason.

I don't mind either way, but I do think it's a bit off-putting.
 
ImaRobot
Not necessarily. It was created by people who didn't want to hear negative talk about a game, so they arbitrarily decided to make a thread for the people, and try to lock them in one place. The thread was titled as a backhanded insult to those who have negative opinions of the game. Since then, it has become the norm, and accepted as the place to be able to talk about negative aspects of the game, yet that's not to say we're obligated or confined to this area for that specific reason.

I don't mind either way, but I do think it's a bit off-putting.
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And yet quite a few of them can't help themselves and pop in to listen!
 
Tired Tyres
It is called "Epic Whining and Crying" for a reason. That is what it is here for. That is its purpose. There are other threads for normal discussion.
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I mean...are we really crying and whining in here? If anything, it's probably the most civil of any of the main GT Sport threads. As ironic as it is.

And what @ImaRobot said.
 
MisterOne77
Your profile picture messed me up.
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It really is. I kept staring it for minutes until i realized it´s actually a lamp and a post.

Back on topic, i actually like this thread, because these days there are far more negative things to be said about GT than in the past.
 
Suzumiya
The thread title needs to be changed.

It's basically baiting. The thread creator even says "The announcement has been made and the previews have been released, let the whining and crying begin!" to stir up a pot. This is my least favorite part of the thread, and just pointing things out as good is "discussion".

My two dollars
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The thread title has a history dating back to GT5. It was started as a place to confine Negative Nancies, but it turns out that the GT Defense Brigade was so relentless that it was actually really helpful to have somewhere to post rants or negative observations about the game where you wouldn't be shouted down simply for expressing yourself.

After GT6 and the saga that has been GTS development, the GT Defense Brigade has dwindled and most people can at least accept constructive criticism of the series at this point. But the thread remains, and the title is appropriate if only as a reminder of where we came from. Yes, the title is basically baiting, and it's good to remember that this is how people who dared voice criticism of the game series were treated not so long ago.

Also, it's still good to have somewhere to rant and post negative stuff where at least nominally we don't have to deal with irrational positivity, appeals to Polyphony's perfectionism and the assertion that everything with a GT label on the cover somehow exudes a special mystique that makes it superior.
 
Maybe there was so much labels and insults and generalizing of people in this post. Maybe I just misuderstood, I'm not perfect :D Apologies

In any case, I would hope that "gt defense force" (baiting insult?) does NOT take the bate and leaves this tortured member alone with this.
 
PhaedrusSocrate
Maybe there was so much labels and insults and generalizing of people in this post. Maybe I just misuderstood, I'm not perfect :D Apologies

In any case, I would hope that "gt defense force" (baiting insult?) does NOT take the bate and leaves this tortured member alone with this.
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It is an accurate generalization, and still is to a certain extent. You've proved that quite well with this exact post. Not just in this thread, either.
 
PhaedrusSocrate
Maybe there was so much labels and insults and generalizing of people in this post. Maybe I just misuderstood, I'm not perfect :D Apologies

In any case, I would hope that "gt defense force" (baiting insult?) does NOT take the bate and leaves this tortured member alone with this.
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No no. They live here. :)

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt-sport-epic-praising-and-crying-tears-of-joy-thread.346291/

Read post 172 on page 6. They are an endangered species. :eek:

I suppose it would help if PD where a little more involved in the relevant games shows, especially in the region that's supposed to be propping up the series.
 
ImaRobot
It is an accurate generalization, and still is to a certain extent.
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Can't deny that, but to a large extent in the GTS forums it had gotten hard to give praise to the game as well. Especially without having to 'defend' against what x game offers.

Side note: I wasn't in the forums at GT5 development, but I can only imagine how hectic it was when the premiums v. standard news came about.
 
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