The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread
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Gran Turismo 1-4 was like a great relationship. We talked, laughed, cried, grew together and genuinely enjoyed each other's presence. Then Gran Turismo 5 started to hit us. And we didn't like it.....yet, we remained patient and kept saying "oh, he'll change! He's really not a bad guy!". But no, he did not stop. He pushed us too far...we then thought "ok, this is the final time. He'll do things differently this time around and appreciate me more." That's when Gran Turismo 6 arrived. And 4 months later, 1/3 of the year is over, and he hasn't changed yet. And that's ok, because we can always move on without that person. We shouldn't forget the good times, and I'm sure we can forgive the many recent bad ones. But it's time we see other people. PS4 plastic surgery will only cover up his superficial scars, but deep down, he'll still be ugly inside. The core of his soul is rotten.
Yes- another analogy.
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.About the lock thread. We wait for days for some news, and now were not aloud to talk about it!
Well that's a kinda stupid reason to kill of a thread - because no one was adding anything constructive? How are we meant to? - You read the GT Planet post/news about a update and that's it, no other info anyone else can add as PD give nonething but scraps of the absolute bare minimum. "In update 1.xx there will be feature 🤬 included and the rest we are not saying"
Edit: that GPS-course maker really needs to be added as to inject some excitement into the game, it's now so repeatative and boring!
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There's more to constructivity than stating known facts. But if it suits you to not read anything the staff wrote and pretend we're idiots, so be it.Well that's a kinda stupid reason to kill of a thread - because no one was adding anything constructive? How are we meant to? - You read the GT Planet post/news about a update and that's it, no other info anyone else can add as PD give nonething but scraps of the absolute bare minimum. "In update 1.xx there will be feature 🤬 included and the rest we are not saying"
Unfortunately people chose to turn it into a thread discussing anything but the update. Again. Despite being warned about it in the v1.05 thread.
I'm happy for anyone who doesn't like the game or some perceived aspect of the Sony marketing of it to say so. I'm not happy for them to turn any useful thread into a platform for their ire without any regard to the actual topic of the thread.
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Forums are about constructive debate, not "muh freedom of speech". The banhammer's been around for as long as the web, and it's not going away anytime soon. So if there's nothing constructive to say, and the topic of the thread isn't "whine and cry", don't post.
Also, whiners and criers: please tell me why releasing an update only to add a feature that may be useful only for a limited portion of the GT user base would be bad. Perhaps they should have delayed the release of the Data Logger and included it in a latter patch just for the sake of it? How would that improve your gaming experience?
God, this thread reminds me why I decided to stay away from IT and a possible career in game development. People would be complaining even if GT6 was the best game in the history of f-in ever and as an added bonus sucked your Johnson.
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I'm on gtp for news and information about gt, and other games.
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Since the other thread is locked I figure here is the best place to discuss this latest update. I really see little utility for the community to look at the data of real-life laps at those Japanese circuits. What the fastest way around a track is in real life won't be the fastest way around the track in a game because the physics are not the same, so I think the significance some are trying to gleam out of this is overstated. It's really nothing more than a curiosity.
Comparing your own lap to a top time in a Time Trial Seasonal would be much more useful for the 99+% of people without the 86. Or even getting a high-profile driver to post a lap in GT6 would add something new to the seasonals.
What I do think would be useful would be for players to look at their own in-game racing lines overlaid on a track map so they can get an idea of how consistent their driving is. That, to me, would much more useful than this feature.
Comparing your own lap to a top time in a Time Trial Seasonal would be much more useful for the 99+% of people without the 86. Or even getting a high-profile driver to post a lap in GT6 would add something new to the seasonals.
What I do think would be useful would be for players to look at their own in-game racing lines overlaid on a track map so they can get an idea of how consistent their driving is. That, to me, would much more useful than this feature.
Think most had misunderstood my post, I wasn't saying that GT Planet staff were idiots
"There's more to constructivity than stating known facts. But if it suits you to not read anything the staff wrote and pretend we're idiots, so be it."
If you actually read what I said, ...that PD don't give much information about their updates... How are we meant to "constructively" add to the post when no one else has any information besides what
has relayed?
I did read what the staff wrote - yeah this can be used to improve laptimes and possibly lead to improved AI
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But at the end of the day, it's a game not a professional driving tool and as it's a game the majority who own it just want to have something to enjoy and kill of a bit of time. To us this doesn't really add any new enjoyment as it's just basically a fancy ghost replay.
So before staff calls us idiots how about you read your forums (i know no easy task as there's 1000's of post) but what I have read alone it is noted most are tired of the chase the rabbit gameplay scenarios and want more racing content added not time trial like scenarios.
I wasn't carrying on about this "freedom of speech", I was stating how are we expected to add anything constructive when we ourselves don't have any other knowledge besides of the information given in the release update info. I didn't have anything constructive to add as I don't know anything else about the update so I didn't contribute.
On this note I don't know about others but negative contribution is constructive also as it points out flaws, you can't go around beleiving everything we do is perfect?
"There's more to constructivity than stating known facts. But if it suits you to not read anything the staff wrote and pretend we're idiots, so be it."
If you actually read what I said, ...that PD don't give much information about their updates... How are we meant to "constructively" add to the post when no one else has any information besides what
has relayed?I did read what the staff wrote - yeah this can be used to improve laptimes and possibly lead to improved AI
. But at the end of the day, it's a game not a professional driving tool and as it's a game the majority who own it just want to have something to enjoy and kill of a bit of time. To us this doesn't really add any new enjoyment as it's just basically a fancy ghost replay.
So before
staff calls us idiots how about you read your forums (i know no easy task as there's 1000's of post) but what I have read alone it is noted most are tired of the chase the rabbit gameplay scenarios and want more racing content added not time trial like scenarios.I wasn't carrying on about this "freedom of speech", I was stating how are we expected to add anything constructive when we ourselves don't have any other knowledge besides of the information given in the release update info. I didn't have anything constructive to add as I don't know anything else about the update so I didn't contribute.
On this note I don't know about others but negative contribution is constructive also as it points out flaws, you can't go around beleiving everything we do is perfect?
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Think most had misunderstood my post, I wasn't saying that GT Planet staff were idiots
"There's more to constructivity than stating known facts. But if it suits you to not read anything the staff wrote and pretend we're idiots, so be it."
If you actually read what I said, ...that PD don't give much information about their updates... How are we meant to "constructively" add to the post when no one else has any information besides what
I did read what the staff wrote - yeah this can be used to improve laptimes and possibly lead to improved AI
But at the end of the day, it's a game not a professional driving tool and as it's a game the majority who own it just want to have something to enjoy and kill of a bit of time. To us this doesn't really add any new enjoyment as it's just basically a fancy ghost replay.
So before
About that highlighted part: This for me is a completely bogus argument. Yes it could be used for that and improve the game that way. However, the same effect could be achieved way more easily by analyzing driving lines of players in seasonals for instance. No need to come up with the data logger for that.
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Looks quite like you were saying the member of staff who locked the thread did it for "a stupid reason" to me. If, for some reason, it suits you to think that we go around doing things for stupid reasons, you may continue to do so by all means.
Personally I think "the thread no longer served its original purpose, having been taken over by the usual crowd who just want to berate Sony/PD/Yamauchi in any thread they can find" was a perfectly good reason. Having just gone through the thread and deleted a hundred posts doing just that so I could reopen it, it's one I agree with.
Who did that? Where?So before
I don't recall the vote where you were elected spokesperson for the majority of Gran Turismo players.
It doesn't satisfy you - and it looks like that's because you don't understand what it is. Speak for yourself and do the courtesy of letting others speak for themselves.
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To lock a thread and express why it was locked is alright , but to express opinion regarding thread then lock it , not cool.
I hope there is more to this update then what i am hearing . If not i seriously question Kaz's sanity .
I hope there is more to this update then what i am hearing . If not i seriously question Kaz's sanity .
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Why would you enter a thread with the title of this one then......go figure whine about it? and to answer your question "why releasing an update only to add a feature that may be useful only for a limited portion of the GT user base would be bad" well i dont see the point in anyone asnwering that because you obvioulsly just ignore the issues people have with PD and this game, Also i wouldnt call it a small portion of users, Its so small that it probaly doesnt even register on a percentage scale.
I also dont see why you Pdefenders come out with that same old verbal diarhea all the time "if it was the best game of all time blah blah" it isnt, Far far far from it. People are complaining because they arent satisfied with the product they paid for or with the service or lack of respect shown by PD, Who are you to moan about people moaning about a product they feel doesnt meet their expectations or meet what PD lead them to believe they were getting? and no not everyone knew those features would not be on disk before you try that one on
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"People" aren't satisfied about anything. Seriously. "People" aren't happy about Gran Turismo, they aren't happy about Forza Motorsport, they aren't happy about Battefield, they aren't happy about Thief, they weren't happy about Halo 4 or Deus Ex Human Revolution, and have probably never been happy about anything; because it's easier to whine than to do something, or even write a constructive critique. "People" whine, and keep whining, and I wonder why they don't quit videogaming if they can't be satisfied and all they can do is nag and whine and not even propose anything constructive. Or they don't go back to playing GT4 and be happy with it. "People" come up with progressively more ridiculous arguments for a refund, ignoring that the only obligation PD, or any developer, has towards its customers is to deliver a disk with some software on it. "People" keep talking about how greedy and evil developers are with no knowledge about how the business of software developing works. And it's this kind of mentality of asking, asking, asking and never waiting for the time it takes that is killing the video game industry, forcing developers to spend more and more on the development of games that may flunk and bankrupt them.
As for the "not everyone knew those features would not be on disk", well, ignorance's not an excuse. Polyphony Digital didn't make a mystery of it, is it Kazunori Yamauchi's personal fault if people didn't care to read any news about the game after a certain date? Did he use, I don't know, psyonic waves to keep these "people" ignorant about press releases and announcements? It is perhaps his fault that people expected GT6 to be a revolution and not an improved version of GT5? The trailers were quite underwhelming; the promises were kept relatively small, and I honestly only bought the game because of the addition of several cars that weren't in GT5.
And I do not ignore the issues with Gran Turismo 6. I myself have many issues with this game, and would like to see them solved, but realize that a)some of them may be issues that only I and my friends have and b)that it may take time to solve some others, and PD is a small software house. But the level of useless whining in these forums is seriously pissing me off; and now "people" have the gall to even criticize how the forums are moderated? Deal with it, forums aren't a representation of this ****ed up "muh freedoms" idea of "democracy". If a mod wants to close a topic for **** and giggles, he's free to do it as long as it flies with the guys paying for the bandwidth. If you don't agree, then stop posting, g'bye.
And then there's this lovely tendency for people in this forum to talk about "us". "Us, the Gran Turismo players", "us, the loyal fans"... Speak for yourself, people. I don't pretend people to be happy about GT as I am, but people in this forum seem to be unable to understand that it's them not liking the game and not the game being objectively bad and evil.
P.S: re-reading this post, I understand that my position on the issue may be offensive and is generally full of things that aren't, well, very nice to say to someone. Let it be know, then, that my rant is not directed at any person in particular, but rather at the general attitude that I've found in oh-so-many videogaming forums.
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I believe he was referring to the recently locked thread about the next update.
Who are you to moan about people moaning about people who are moaning?
Who am I to moan about you moaning about someone moaning about people moaning? 
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Ok before someone accuses me of the "us" reading through this topic specifically started for "us" to express our (as in each individual posters) complaints with GT6. I can see that most are actually happy with the game overall but dissapointed about the handling of its future evolving development.
GT6 has now been out for many months and none of the promised features/aspects to be included has been realised, fair enough things take time. But where is the harm in saying "we are sorry, things are taking longer than expected but we are working on x and b, love PD"? If you are running late to meeting someone or can no longer attend I don't expect you (plural) will not let the other party know?
About the update topic closing - fair enough, it was a bit silly to myself why it was open to forum as they've (PD) released details on the update and what else is there to say? It should've probably just had been left as a news post.
The extra features, aka the gps-visualiser, seems like a great feature but one I do not believe important and believe many others here may agree. For the reasons it is not a feature high on (I'm guessing here) people's priority and believe PD has lost touch with the core concept of GT - it being a game. What they have done has been fantastic for the motoring industry and motor sports, but it is now time to go back to the core of GT being a piece of entertainment software.
Also it is now getting ridiculous that I have to start Politically Correcting my statements. As Famine said
to prevent being personally attacked for my own opinions. I have spoken for myself and let others speak for themselves, proven by reading this forum topic and gaining an overall picture for myself that many are dissapointed here with PD.
All of my posts have recognised what others have said and are based on what I can see as the majority of others. I did not post within the closed down GT6 1.06 update forum as I had nothing constructive to say nor was it the correct place to. That is why I post here as its specifically opened to allow us all to complain about GT6, which is nothing wrong by doing so
GT6 has now been out for many months and none of the promised features/aspects to be included has been realised, fair enough things take time. But where is the harm in saying "we are sorry, things are taking longer than expected but we are working on x and b, love PD"? If you are running late to meeting someone or can no longer attend I don't expect you (plural) will not let the other party know?
About the update topic closing - fair enough, it was a bit silly to myself why it was open to forum as they've (PD) released details on the update and what else is there to say? It should've probably just had been left as a news post.
The extra features, aka the gps-visualiser, seems like a great feature but one I do not believe important and believe many others here may agree. For the reasons it is not a feature high on (I'm guessing here) people's priority and believe PD has lost touch with the core concept of GT - it being a game. What they have done has been fantastic for the motoring industry and motor sports, but it is now time to go back to the core of GT being a piece of entertainment software.
Also it is now getting ridiculous that I have to start Politically Correcting my statements. As Famine said
to prevent being personally attacked for my own opinions. I have spoken for myself and let others speak for themselves, proven by reading this forum topic and gaining an overall picture for myself that many are dissapointed here with PD.
All of my posts have recognised what others have said and are based on what I can see as the majority of others. I did not post within the closed down GT6 1.06 update forum as I had nothing constructive to say nor was it the correct place to. That is why I post here as its specifically opened to allow us all to complain about GT6
, which is nothing wrong by doing so
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I agree it would be nice if they communicated with us more openly but there is a Japanese way of doing things that dictates you don't apologise if you can fix/solve the problem. Not every Japanese company conducts their business so silently but PD always have and, it would seem, always will.
My initial complaint was simply the implication the Mods closed a thread because we expressed our opinions. I disagree. It was because the opinions mainly being expressed weren't relevant to that thread. It should have been for discussing the good and bad points of the content we are getting. About how it could be utilised and whether or not it's confirmed etc. Not for complaining about the content still missing and GT in general. That's what this thread is for; catharsis.
And on that note. About the update; I'm anxious for the full patch notes. I truly hope the data logger isn't the only thing we see in 1.06. My patience with PD to release something, anything, that a majority of GT players would actually like to see is so very thin now.
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Not saying I don't believe you but do you have reference for this? It seems to go against many other Japanese practices which are mostly about honesty and integrity.
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Not immediately to hand no. My only means of getting on the internet is via my phone at the moment. I have a PDF file on my laptop about Japanese Business practice and dealing with them, as well as the cultural barriers, that has words to that effect. I'll PM it to you when I get an internet connection again or if I remember to transfer it to my phone. I'm forgetful mind so please remind me if you think I've forgotten.
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So let me get this straight, You're telling that tommorow i can start advertising the best game ever with all these great features in it, And my only obligation to the customer is that the disk has some some software on it?
As a customer this is not my concern, My only concern is that when i see a product marketed as having A B C in it and i buy that product based on A B C being in it then when i open my product it has A B C in it and not just A, I'm the customer, You make the product i buy the product, How hard it is to make is not relevant, If someone makes an earoplane and it crashed because of a poor design, Its ok to say "well you dont know how hard it is to design a plane so stop asking asking asking just give me your money"
No one forced PD to market and hype this game to a degree that none of those features could be ready for release date or even 4months and still counting. They were well aware that those features would not make it at release on the day they were feeding that bs to us, The games industry is killing itself out of greed and not as you say because of the customers, The only mistake customers are making is supporting it with their wallet
This is just a poor excuse in defence of PD, It is not ignorance. what is ignorance is that you presume everyone who bought or were interested in gt come to gtp or at some point thought "ooh i must go and search gt related news to see if pd have released any news about sudden great missing features", I have a few freinds who were very surprised not to find the course creator, B-spec or communitiy feature, Fankly its an hilarious excuse to tout ignorance of the customer in PD's defence,
In any case lets say everyone knew about it, What is an acceptable time frame to add these features? especially after hyping them for months on end until shortly before release? i'd expect them to be in within 2 months which is reasonable, Especially as the majority of gamers move on from a game within a month or 2,
So they plastered it all over the net and the game box did they? Did they put as much effort into letting people know these features would not be on the disc as they initially did into letting us know they would in the game?
The defending of PD and kaz gets more ridiculous with each passing week, What if they checked the day before it was made news? should customers be checking the news every day for every product they plan to buy? Again you're telling i me i can advertise that i am building the great car in the world, The fastest, The most luxurious, The most economic, I can take preorders for £200k for each car then two days before release i can put news on my website saying "its not the fastest at launch day, Its not the most luxurious at launch day, its not the most economic at launch day, its just a mini" and its the customers fault for not thinking "hey i better go check the news today to see if MR.x is keeping his car at launch a mystery"?
I'm now confident you are just trollin, If you are serious with this then i dont know what to tell you
So how long and often should one check the news on a game in futer in order for you to not claim they are ignorant for a developer not fullfiling their hype and marketing?
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Where did all these people come from? I don't check in for one day and and all hell breaks loose!
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You're feeling better now?
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I was hoping someone would say "Thank god you're here napalmhardcore!".
I'm obviously not as popular as I was hoping
I'm obviously not as popular as I was hoping
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Thank God you're here, napalmhardcore! Better?I was hoping someone would say "Thank god you're here napalmhardcore!".
I'm obviously not as popular as I was hoping
. But seriously, to stay on-topic, what in the hell is wrong with the GT servers? My internet was running flawlessly, logged on to GT and had 3 Disconnects in 30 minutes, then started working fine again.
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Well, I now have to explain to my family why I randomly busted out into a fit of laughter.
And also, why does there appear to be rooms dedicated to 11 year olds who cuss like sailors, and why are they all drawn to me? I've watched Casino, and I think today outdid that!
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