The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Johnnypenso]

I was hoping someone would say "Thank god you're here napalmhardcore!".

I'm obviously not as popular as I was hoping

Congratulations We took an informal poll while you were away and you've been elected King of the Internet...here's your crown

 

[napalmhardcore]

Well, I now have to explain to my family why I randomly busted out into a fit of laughter.

And also, why does there appear to be rooms dedicated to 11 year olds who cuss like sailors, and why are they all drawn to me? I've watched Casino, and I think today outdid that! .

Now I have an image in my mind of a kid cast in Joe Pesci's role.

Congratulations We took an informal poll while you were away and you've been elected King of the Internet...here's your crown

*Waves from float while blowing kisses and holding flowers* Thank you! Thank you all! You really love me!

 

[Forester XT]

Not saying I don't believe you but do you have reference for this? It seems to go against many other Japanese practices which are mostly about honesty and integrity.

YES, and it use to involve a sharp knife if you fail.

 

[Imari]

I agree it would be nice if they communicated with us more openly but there is a Japanese way of doing things that dictates you don't apologise if you can fix/solve the problem.

No, there's a Japanese way of doing things that dictates that you apologise for EVERYTHING, even if it's not your fault. Being more humble is a valid form of attack, if you're Japanese.

There's a political way of doing things that dictates that you don't apologise for anything, especially if it's your fault. That's an international one.

 

[HaylRayzor]

I have nothing useful or informative to contribute, as most of us don't. We are all equally in the dark.

But here is my useless and uninformative opinion.

I got more enjoyment out of GT5P than I did out of GT5, and far more enjoyment out of GT5 than I have from GT6. I find the quality of the product going down with each iteration.

I played GT6 for 10 hours at most and couldn't stomach it any more.

I come here hoping to find that the course maker has been released (without having to pay extra for it) but usually there is no news. When there is news it's some silly update like multiple monitors and gps logging.

Count me as a hater.

 

[Jimmy_DA]

Not immediately to hand no. My only means of getting on the internet is via my phone at the moment. I have a PDF file on my laptop about Japanese Business practice and dealing with them, as well as the cultural barriers, that has words to that effect. I'll PM it to you when I get an internet connection again or if I remember to transfer it to my phone. I'm forgetful mind so please remind me if you think I've forgotten.

I can back 86Debris86 claim, Japan has a long history and therefore take their time on making decisions. This kinda explains why Japanease businesses often do very well as they don't rush things and take their time to consider. But saying this PD really probably shouldn't had released GT6 when they did as it is clear by now most of the promoted features were not ready. This maybe should also be considered on the flip and that as PD ate (say if I'm wrong here) promoting to a very westernised market niche that their customers operate oposite to their way of doing things?

If you want any proof just search under Google scholarly - "japanease business culture compared to the west" or something similar and I'm sure you'll find something.

 

[Imari]

I can back 86Debris86 claim, Japan has a long history and therefore take their time on making decisions. This kinda explains why Japanease businesses often do very well as they don't rush things and take their time to consider. But saying this PD really probably shouldn't had released GT6 when they did as it is clear by now most of the promoted features were not ready. This maybe should also be considered on the flip and that as PD ate (say if I'm wrong here) promoting to a very westernised market niche that their customers operate oposite to their way of doing things?

If you want any proof just search under Google scholarly - "japanease business culture compared to the west" or something similar and I'm sure you'll find something.

Nobody claimed businesses weren't different. But that they don't apologise?

Demonstrably false. The railway companies apologise every time they're even the slightest bit late, and give out late notes for the people inconvenienced.

Even major companies like Panasonic and Sharp apologise, look:

http://qz.com/24241/the-five-best-japanese-corporate-apologies/

If I may quote from the article:

“It is a social expectation in Japan that, if you’ve slipped up, your immediate responsibility is to apologize,” says Luke Nottage, professor of comparative and transnational business law at Sydney Law School, whose work focuses on Japan and the Asia Pacific region.

He adds that “even though apologies are admissible as evidence in Japanese courts, in practice the courts don’t use them. They just think, well, everyone apologizes all the time. This is different to America, where juries, lawyers and judges can make a big deal about apologies, as the social context is very different.”

So Panasonic and Sharp have just performed a time-honored ritual. The apology is such a part of corporate life that Japanese newspapers often round up groups of them during earnings seasons, instead of reporting each one individually. Still, some particularly dramatic, colorful or entirely unnecessary apologies tend to stick out. Here are a selection of the best:

Which then goes on to list some major apologies.

Japanese companies are far more likely, as outlined above, to apologise simply because they can. It doesn't cost them anything and they don't risk liability like western companies might.

 

[Latin Avenger]

Think most had misunderstood my post, I wasn't saying that GT Planet staff were idiots

"There's more to constructivity than stating known facts. But if it suits you to not read anything the staff wrote and pretend we're idiots, so be it."

If you actually read what I said, ...that PD don't give much information about their updates... How are we meant to "constructively" add to the post when no one else has any information besides what has relayed?

I did read what the staff wrote - yeah this can be used to improve laptimes and possibly lead to improved AI .

But at the end of the day, it's a game not a professional driving tool and as it's a game the majority who own it just want to have something to enjoy and kill of a bit of time. To us this doesn't really add any new enjoyment as it's just basically a fancy ghost replay.

So before staff calls us idiots how about you read your forums (i know no easy task as there's 1000's of post) but what I have read alone it is noted most are tired of the chase the rabbit gameplay scenarios and want more racing content added not time trial like scenarios.



I wasn't carrying on about this "freedom of speech", I was stating how are we expected to add anything constructive when we ourselves don't have any other knowledge besides of the information given in the release update info. I didn't have anything constructive to add as I don't know anything else about the update so I didn't contribute.

On this note I don't know about others but negative contribution is constructive also as it points out flaws, you can't go around beleiving everything we do is perfect?

PERFECTLY Said my Amigo, I tip my hat off to ya.

So let me get this straight, You're telling that tommorow i can start advertising the best game ever with all these great features in it, And my only obligation to the customer is that the disk has some some software on it?


As a customer this is not my concern, My only concern is that when i see a product marketed as having A B C in it and i buy that product based on A B C being in it then when i open my product it has A B C in it and not just A, I'm the customer, You make the product i buy the product, How hard it is to make is not relevant, If someone makes an earoplane and it crashed because of a poor design, Its ok to say "well you dont know how hard it is to design a plane so stop asking asking asking just give me your money"

No one forced PD to market and hype this game to a degree that none of those features could be ready for release date or even 4months and still counting. They were well aware that those features would not make it at release on the day they were feeding that bs to us, The games industry is killing itself out of greed and not as you say because of the customers, The only mistake customers are making is supporting it with their wallet
This is just a poor excuse in defence of PD, It is not ignorance. what is ignorance is that you presume everyone who bought or were interested in gt come to gtp or at some point thought "ooh i must go and search gt related news to see if pd have released any news about sudden great missing features", I have a few freinds who were very surprised not to find the course creator, B-spec or communitiy feature, Fankly its an hilarious excuse to tout ignorance of the customer in PD's defence,

In any case lets say everyone knew about it, What is an acceptable time frame to add these features? especially after hyping them for months on end until shortly before release? i'd expect them to be in within 2 months which is reasonable, Especially as the majority of gamers move on from a game within a month or 2,

So they plastered it all over the net and the game box did they? Did they put as much effort into letting people know these features would not be on the disc as they initially did into letting us know they would in the game?

The defending of PD and kaz gets more ridiculous with each passing week, What if they checked the day before it was made news? should customers be checking the news every day for every product they plan to buy? Again you're telling i me i can advertise that i am building the great car in the world, The fastest, The most luxurious, The most economic, I can take preorders for £200k for each car then two days before release i can put news on my website saying "its not the fastest at launch day, Its not the most luxurious at launch day, its not the most economic at launch day, its just a mini" and its the customers fault for not thinking "hey i better go check the news today to see if MR.x is keeping his car at launch a mystery"?


I'm now confident you are just trollin, If you are serious with this then i dont know what to tell you

So how long and often should one check the news on a game in futer in order for you to not claim they are ignorant for a developer not fullfiling their hype and marketing?

Well said, well put & Amen.

Surely this information bodes well for GT6. Surely it infers they aren't as focussed on the next game as people first thought and that maybe it'll mean GT6 does get some attention during the year.

Yes allow it to stay on PS3 & option to upgrade for the PS4 for a $10 upgrade like the other TITLES have, COD, Battlefield 4, Assassins Creed Etc. They can still make MONEY that way for I would be happy to pay for it just for the better next generation console graphics why not.

As for GT 7 it can wait 4 to 5 years just as we waited for GT 6 between GT 5, just fix it make it right they been doing this too long to put out such a half done unpolished product out with such a long WAIT since GT 5.

They are the connoisseurs of the simulation car industry we just all feel cheated the ones who don't have the means to purchase a PS3 what do you say to them? GT 6 WILL be obsolete within a year or so, NOW go buy a PS4 & new GT 7 game because they will probably not be having any servers on the PS3 because they will be focusing on the PS4! now THAT'S NOT RIGHT, GT series isn't a year to year game because of the magnitude of time to recreate a game but it's been close to 5 years since GT 5 plenty of time it should of been PERFECT!

As for us who do have a PS4 toss your GT 6 game away from your PS3 & go buy another game again, as in GT 7, C'mon lets be real here, just been lots of false promises, advertising, we just want our fair shake Give us our MONEY'S Worth you been DOING this to long PD to know better then to release a game of this MAGNITUDE & it not being properly finished.

So that being said I hope they do focus on GT 6 like for the NEXT 4 to 5 years like they did in GT 5 now how AWESOME would that be?

It can be done.

 

[Urbphilosophy]

I personally haven't played gt6 yet to give a opinion. Gt 5 for me was a major disappointment from day one. I purchased my ps3 with gt 5 being the sole reason I chose it over xbox 360. I then preordered my gt5 as soon as I could and after nearly two years of delays they finally delivered the game I pair for. The game was exciting at first but not because it had a ton of new stuff. I think mostly for nostalgic reasons I fell in love. It got boring very fast and without online play with friends it wouldn't have lasted a month. I've owned every gt and forza game to date ( excluding gt6) and I had always preferred gt series due to the beauty and elegance that it delivered. Having said that I own an xbox one and forza 5. Forza has made great strides with every release but they have really disappointed me too. I expected games to evolve as the consoles evolved but that just isn't happening. It seems that both of these franchises have the same problem. They take one step foward and improve upon one single thing with great magnitude and leave the other features for the next title release. It isn't lying or misleading it's buisness. It's how the planet operates people. If they gave you everything you wanted and could possibly want in one game why would you ever need to buy the next one? They all decieve you , they all lie and they all take our money. And they'll continue to do so until we stop allowing them to. Forza 5 and gran turismo 5 will be the end for me until I see drastic improvements on both titles.

 

[Azure Flare]

I personally haven't played gt6 yet to give a opinion.

And that statement makes your entire difficult-to-read post invalid.

 

[Urbphilosophy]

And that statement makes your entire difficult-to-read post invalid.

I posted based upon the discussion here. My basic point is that all games lack something or can be improved somehow. The thing is most people don't seek out forums when they are satisfied. So you'll always have a majority of people with negative thoughts. I was just trying to offer perspective to that since I've played and been disappointed in both franchises.

On a side note one thing about forza 5 that is a really a neat idea but I'm not certian if it's authentic... They supposedly don't have an 'AI'. From the moment you start driving they record your habits and upload them to a server. Then when you enter a career race you're racing vs your friends recoded driving habits as opposed to a never changing engine. The better your driving gets the more challenging your friends career races become.

 

[Azure Flare]

Rent GT6, then you can give a verdict on it.

 

[Urbphilosophy]

I plan to purchase it used from game stop. That way I can trade it within a week if I dislike it lol. I'm waiting on my points to update so I can get it for free though. I have a 50 dollar credit coming. That way if it turns out to be a gt5 repeat I can just trade it for an xbox one game and have nothing invested in the game

 

[86Debris86]

Nobody claimed businesses weren't different. But that they don't apologise?

Demonstrably false. The railway companies apologise every time they're even the slightest bit late, and give out late notes for the people inconvenienced.

Even major companies like Panasonic and Sharp apologise, look:

http://qz.com/24241/the-five-best-japanese-corporate-apologies/

If I may quote from the article:



Which then goes on to list some major apologies.

Japanese companies are far more likely, as outlined above, to apologise simply because they can. It doesn't cost them anything and they don't risk liability like western companies might.

You seem to be disagreeing based on the fact Japanese companies have apologised before. I never said they didn't. What I said was some act this way. I never suggested it was the only way they do business. And not all the time. Your example of the train companies apologising when the train is late- what else can they do?- Go back in time and make it on time?

I'm not saying you're wrong but I have read about this in multiple books as well as other sources. The way of doing things I described above does exist.

Some confusion seems to have arisen about the way the Japanese do business. All I mentioned was a way they do it.

 

[Imari]

Some confusion seems to have arisen about the way the Japanese do business. All I mentioned was a way they do it.

But it's a way that some people do business in every single country in the world. In some it's a major one, in some it's rare. But if you're just pointing out that it's possible, that seems about as useful as pointing out that some companies simply steal your money and never give you a product in return at all.

I assumed that you were making a statement that was at least interesting, in that this was a significantly used method of doing business in Japan. I don't believe it is, my experience doesn't lead me to believe it is, and my google-fu doesn't lead me to believe it is.

If you've got sources that say things to the contrary, I'd be interested to see them because the more I know about Japanese business, the better.

But if you're just making throwaway comments that one method of business can be used, then there's really no discussion to be had. The Japanese are not limited in any way, they're as capable of choosing their own behaviour as any other human. The fact that cultural pressure tends to make certain behaviours more common than others is what's interesting, not simply what's possible.

 

[napalmhardcore]

Rent GT6, then you can give a verdict on it.

I disagree. I have not played GT6 either, but I know what improvements I wanted to see over GT5 and none of them have been implemented.

I extensively researched the game and watched videos, so it is plain to see what has or has not been improved without having to buy the game. The only thing that I would need to buy the game for is to feel the force feedback.

 

[86Debris86]

But it's a way that some people do business in every single country in the world. In some it's a major one, in some it's rare. But if you're just pointing out that it's possible, that seems about as useful as pointing out that some companies simply steal your money and never give you a product in return at all.

I assumed that you were making a statement that was at least interesting, in that this was a significantly used method of doing business in Japan. I don't believe it is, my experience doesn't lead me to believe it is, and my google-fu doesn't lead me to believe it is.

If you've got sources that say things to the contrary, I'd be interested to see them because the more I know about Japanese business, the better.

But if you're just making throwaway comments that one method of business can be used, then there's really no discussion to be had. The Japanese are not limited in any way, they're as capable of choosing their own behaviour as any other human. The fact that cultural pressure tends to make certain behaviours more common than others is what's interesting, not simply what's possible.

Throwaway comment? It's possible justification for PD's silence. I was merely looking to offer a reason for it.

I didn't realise offering possibilities as to why something has happened wasn't welcome here. I was under the impression that looking at all the possible reasons (no matter how unlikely) for something happening was a good way to see why it happened. Clearly I am mistaken on this.

The Japanese are not limited in any way, they're as capable of choosing their own behaviour as any other human.

I never said they were not.

If you've got sources that say things to the contrary, I'd be interested to see them because the more I know about Japanese business, the better.

I have several but only one to hand. I'll PM you it in a moment.

 

[Jimmy_DA]

Not sure when it wad decided on a public open forum thread that we all had to back up our statements/oppionions was decided as I missed that one. Could we please leave that at university, over doing that crap I would just like to state an opinion of my own without need to reference it or back it up. It's just someone's opionion and if they're wrong there's no harm here in that, we all make mistakes at times.

 

[mr_serious]

Not sure when it wad decided on a public open forum thread that we all had to back up our statements/oppionions was decided as I missed that one. Could we please leave that at university, over doing that crap I would just like to state an opinion of my own without need to reference it or back it up. It's just someone's opionion and if they're wrong there's no harm here in that, we all make mistakes at times.

I disagree. If you are going to offer your opinion up on a public discussion forum, then be prepared for people to discuss your opinion. You should also be prepared to back it up or change it in the face of new evidence.

 

[fredyellowone]

Not sure when it wad decided on a public open forum thread that we all had to back up our statements/oppionions was decided as I missed that one. Could we please leave that at university, over doing that crap I would just like to state an opinion of my own without need to reference it or back it up. It's just someone's opionion and if they're wrong there's no harm here in that, we all make mistakes at times.

However, any opinion as to be based on rational arguments to be valid. You should not be leaving that at university, or anywhere else. Everytime you say something, it should be backed up with facts, or values and/or preferences. If not, then it's not an opinion, it's just a typical stupid rant.

You don't have to back up your opinion on the forums if it's about values or preferences, but you have to do so if it's to prove a point without falling in the fallacy trap. Example : GT6 is crap because they promised us X features, and they are not there yet. Or GT6 is crap because even if they managed to add a few things here and there, the game is a massive stepback from previous iterations. (Fact : they removed shuffle races, course Creator is not there yet, etc etc etc)

Now, notice that it's quite easy to demolish fanboys arguments on this forum. First, they are on the minority. They might say they are not, but if I'm looking at the sales, it's obvious otherwise. The fanboys are also the people who are going to post from time to time stuff Like : "I'm complaining about the people that are complaining". Also, a big number of those guys tend to not give a **** about anything that they don't use.
Example : "GT6 is a 10 for me, the game is perfect. I just play online, I don't give a crap about the career mode, I don't give a crap about the livery editor, I'm happy with with I have, so deal with it".

Happened to me, one guy told me to "deal with it" because I was complaining that the career mode was flawed. Of course that guy was just playing online.

Two more arguments fanboys use often :

A) Game was sold as advertised. While that may be true in a way, they forgot that GT series is a first in the gaming industry where a new game makes one step forward and two steps back. Usually, a game takes off the last iteration and goes forward.

B) "It's okay, GT6 is kind of a prologue! They are testing features! We are used to it!" No, we are not. I'm not a beta tester. I want a finished product, or a least a fair attempt at it. Not a cash grab half game.

Finally, I want to thank Imari. I don't know how that person manage to stay rational at all times like that, without insults or going crazy, but it's pretty impressive.

Edit : speaking of numbers : Never at any point did GT series fall short of at least 9 million sales with a regular title. GT6 is currently sitting at 2,14 million sales. So, it will NOT even reach 3 millions. Damage is done. They may release the course creator next week, it will not change the fact that GT6 is doomed. And I'm very concerned for the future of the franchise as well.

That's what you get by not listening to the fans one bit.

 

[86Debris86]

However, any opinion as to be based on rational arguments to be valid. You should not be leaving that at university, or anywhere else. Everytime you say something, it should be backed up with facts, or values and/or preferences. If not, then it's not an opinion, it's just a typical stupid rant. Like this:

You don't have to back up your opinion on the forums if it's about values or preferences, but you have to do so if it's to prove a point without falling in the fallacy trap. Example : GT6 is crap because they promised us X features, and they are not there yet. Or GT6 is crap because even if they managed to add a few things here and there, the game is a massive stepback from previous iterations. (Fact : they removed shuffle races, course Creator is not there yet, etc etc etc)

Now, notice that it's quite easy to demolish fanboys arguments on this forum. First, they are on the minority. They might say they are not, but if I'm looking at the sales, it's obvious otherwise. The fanboys are also the people who are going to post from time to time stuff Like : "I'm complaining about the people that are complaining". Also, a big number of those guys tend to not give a **** about anything that they don't use.
Example : "GT6 is a 10 for me, the game is perfect. I just play online, I don't give a crap about the career mode, I don't give a crap about the livery editor, I'm happy with with I have, so deal with it".

Happened to me, one guy told me to "deal with it" because I was complaining that the career mode was flawed. Of course that guy was just playing online.

Two more arguments fanboys use often :

A) Game was sold as advertised. While that may be true in a way, they forgot that GT series is a first in the gaming industry where a new game makes one step forward and two steps back. Usually, a game takes off the last iteration and goes forward.

B) "It's okay, GT6 is kind of a prologue! They are testing features! We are used to it!" No, we are not. I'm not a beta tester. I want a finished product, or a least a fair attempt at it. Not a cash grab half game.

Edit : speaking of numbers : Never at any point did GT series fall short of at least 9 million sales with a regular title. GT6 is currently sitting at 2,14 million sales. So, it will NOT even reach 3 millions. Damage is done. They may release the course creator next week, it will not change the fact that GT6 is doomed. And I'm very concerned for the future of the franchise as well.

That's what you get not listening to the fans one bit.

Got that for ya .

Finally, I want to thank Imari. I don't know how that person manage to stay rational at all times like that, without insults or going crazy, but it's pretty impressive.

That's what intelligent adults do. They discuss or debate a contentious issue rationally and with informed opinion. Since for the past page or so he's been quoting me I'm interested as to what you mean by this and exactly why he should be insulting and not remaining rational?

 

[mr_serious]

Got that for ya .

That's what intelligent adults do. They discuss or debate a contentious issue rationally and with informed opinion. Since for the past page or so he's been quoting me I'm interested as to what you mean by this and exactly why he should be insulting and not remaining rational?

He didn't mean @Imari's discussion with you. Just Imari's discussions in general. Always balanced, rational and articulate. Check his post history.

 

[86Debris86]

He didn't mean @Imari's discussion with you. Just Imari's discussions in general. Always balanced, rational and articulate. Check his post history.

Then I'm probably being overly paranoid as a result of my bad mood. I agree Imari's posts are always on point.

 

[fredyellowone]

Got that for ya .

If you mean that my post was a typical stupid rant, then we have nothing to say to each other, forever again.

 

[kollosson]

In order to have an opinion I must have *created* a successful computer game, while for you it is sufficient to have *played* computer games.
Do you win a lot of arguments?

Thorin Cain made some great points and I agree completely, its really easy to find negatives in someones comment and that's all that really happens here, I for one think GT6 is great, you have to remember this is PS3 we are talking about and it has more features and content than any other console racer, the graphics are just glorious, the handling is the best of any console racer and there is still more content to come. Sure I have a few niggles, I wish that the single player campaign was structured more like GT4 but taking GT6 as a whole I think its excellent and at times breathtaking.

 

[Latin Avenger]

However, any opinion as to be based on rational arguments to be valid. You should not be leaving that at university, or anywhere else. Everytime you say something, it should be backed up with facts, or values and/or preferences. If not, then it's not an opinion, it's just a typical stupid rant.

You don't have to back up your opinion on the forums if it's about values or preferences, but you have to do so if it's to prove a point without falling in the fallacy trap. Example : GT6 is crap because they promised us X features, and they are not there yet. Or GT6 is crap because even if they managed to add a few things here and there, the game is a massive stepback from previous iterations. (Fact : they removed shuffle races, course Creator is not there yet, etc etc etc)

Now, notice that it's quite easy to demolish fanboys arguments on this forum. First, they are on the minority. They might say they are not, but if I'm looking at the sales, it's obvious otherwise. The fanboys are also the people who are going to post from time to time stuff Like : "I'm complaining about the people that are complaining". Also, a big number of those guys tend to not give a **** about anything that they don't use.
Example : "GT6 is a 10 for me, the game is perfect. I just play online, I don't give a crap about the career mode, I don't give a crap about the livery editor, I'm happy with with I have, so deal with it".

Happened to me, one guy told me to "deal with it" because I was complaining that the career mode was flawed. Of course that guy was just playing online.

Two more arguments fanboys use often :

A) Game was sold as advertised. While that may be true in a way, they forgot that GT series is a first in the gaming industry where a new game makes one step forward and two steps back. Usually, a game takes off the last iteration and goes forward.

B) "It's okay, GT6 is kind of a prologue! They are testing features! We are used to it!" No, we are not. I'm not a beta tester. I want a finished product, or a least a fair attempt at it. Not a cash grab half game.

Finally, I want to thank Imari. I don't know how that person manage to stay rational at all times like that, without insults or going crazy, but it's pretty impressive.

Edit : speaking of numbers : Never at any point did GT series fall short of at least 9 million sales with a regular title. GT6 is currently sitting at 2,14 million sales. So, it will NOT even reach 3 millions. Damage is done. They may release the course creator next week, it will not change the fact that GT6 is doomed. And I'm very concerned for the future of the franchise as well.

That's what you get not listening to the fans one bit.

Very good points of view, thank you good JOB.

 

[86Debris86]

If you mean that my post was a typical stupid rant, then we have nothing to say to each other, forever again.

Chill. It was an attempt at a sort of humour. Clearly I need to try harder.

 

[kollosson]

Thorin Cain you are wasting your time mate, there are only two types of people that frequent this site, GT fans and trolls, it does not matter how fair you try to be with your replies someone will start arguing over context or find a negative. It is annoying that the same old stuff is gone over and over but it really doesn't matter, no comments on here will change anything, I doubt PD read stuff on here anyway, I mean if you were them would you? I know I wouldn't. You are right though, not many people on here have the slightest notion what goes into making a video game with the complexity of Gran Turismo 6.

 

[kollosson]

Very good points of view, thank you good JOB.

Rediculous, GT6 sales are down from GT5, that doesn't mean its a failure, over 2 million sales is very good under the circumstances, a lot of folks were disappointed that it was on PS3 especially those that were upgrading to PS4 which was released around the same time, how many PS4's have been sold to date? it is the fastest selling console in history, so you can strike all those off of potential GT6 purchases, I think, under the circumstances it has done incredibly well and to be honest the game looks so good who needs next gen...

 

[napalmhardcore]

Rediculous, GT6 sales are down from GT5, that doesn't mean its a failure, over 2 million sales is very good under the circumstances, a lot of folks were disappointed that it was on PS3 especially those that were upgrading to PS4 which was released around the same time, how many PS4's have been sold to date? it is the fastest selling console in history, so you can strike all those off of potential GT6 purchases, I think, under the circumstances it has done incredibly well and to be honest the game looks so good who needs next gen...

I don't understand your motivation for visiting this thread. You always turn up, moan at us for moaning and leave. Why do you do it? I'm honestly asking. I just don't get it.