The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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MeanElf
Glad you are enjoying those games - though is it really fair to compare a next-gen and a PC title to GT6?
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Not really but just the fact that I'm enjoying other racing games with out the thoughts of why am I not on GT, you know the guilty feeling of letting it go after so many years of playing it & it not effecting me like it use too, it's a pretty big step for me.

I'm still in the dugout & will wait for GT 7 considering Pcars & D.Club & knock it out of the ballpark of course, just seems it's time for a new change of direction, my direction is different from PD's changed of direction.

I just want to race & enjoy the cars with friends without the crazy physics of not being able to keep a car on the road, give us options menu where they drive like dream cars & tuning option where tuners who enjoy the tuning aspects get their fill, an AI option Icon with an easy,hard,Insane menu.

I'm a decent tuner but I just don't have the time I once had....kids you know, but to tinker over & over on a car till you get it right , that's a lot of cars.... broken cars at that PD should of met us halfway on that find away to let the driving skills come into effect, not the having to decipher & dissect a car to it's bones then put it back together again, how they plan to get new fans, kids, that don't know about car physics,draft, heights,camber etc. Is beyond me, takes lots of time to tune them properly to race accordingly in my opinion but that's what I enjoy driving everyone I buy, unlock, win, etc. but this GT 6 is well we all know it has many flaws.

I just refuse to say anymore negative things about it I accepted it & realized it's just not for me this time around, I spent well over $200 in the online credits just because of time issues grinding or racing I chose to race & purchase online, but it's okay it's my money I'm over it, I know it's a simulation but hey after all it's still a game not all of us want to become GT Academy hero's.

Just wish it was more user friendly for us old guys who just want to get in for about & hour and 1/2 a day an compete without the frustrations, all my friends left so I followed them I was the last man standing, but now it's like old times where having fun like when we opened our first GT one back in the day, with the Forza & Asetto C. Boy how the times have changed. PD & GT 7 hope I to see you 6 months after your launch date my friend hope your reviews are nothing but spectacular, till then racing elsewhere with laughs & fun with friends till then thanks for the memories.
 
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pyrates
Really depends on what exactly you compare.
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Well, pretty much anything I'd expect, as graphics and performance of the platform are fairly integral to what is possible in a game.

Latin Avenger
Not really but just the fact that I'm enjoying other racing games with out the thoughts of why am I not on GT, you know the guilty feeling of letting it go after so many years of playing it & it not effecting me like it use too, it's a pretty big step for me.

I'm still in the dugout & will wait for GT 7 considering Pcars & D.Club & knock it out of the ballpark of course, just seems it's time for a new change of direction, my direction is different from PD's changed of direction.

I just want to race & enjoy the cars with friends without the crazy physics of not being able to keep a car on the road, give us options menu where they drive like dream cars & tuning option where tuners who enjoy the tuning aspects get their fill, an AI option Icon with an easy,hard,Insane menu.

I'm a decent tuner but I just don't have the time I once had....kids you know, but to tinker over & over on a car till you get it right , that's a lot of cars.... broken cars at that PD should of met us halfway on that find away to let the driving skills come into effect, not the having to decipher & dissect a car to it's bones then put it back together again, how they plan to get new fans, kids, that don't know about car physics,draft, heights,camber etc. Is beyond me, takes lots of time to tune them properly to race accordingly in my opinion but that's what I enjoy driving everyone I buy, unlock, win, etc. but this GT 6 is well we all know it has many flaws.

I just refuse to say anymore negative things about it I accepted it & realized it's just not for me this time around, I spent well over $200 in the online credits just because of time issues grinding or racing I chose to race & purchase online, but it's okay it's my money I'm over it, I know it's a simulation but hey after all it's still a game not all of us want to become GT Academy hero's.

Just wish it was more user friendly for us old guys who just want to get in for about & hour and 1/2 a day an compete without the frustrations, all my friends left so I followed them I was the last man standing, but now it's like old times where having fun like when we opened our first GT one back in the day, with the Forza & Asetto C. Boy how the times have changed. PD & GT 7 hope I to see you 6 months after your launch date my friend hope your reviews are nothing but spectacular, till then racing elsewhere with laughs & fun with friends till then thanks for the memories.
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A fair enough answer, and one that makes sense, especially if you have a group of friends who all like racing together. I also thank you for taking the time to type all of that. So often answers here focus more upon singling out one aspect to comment upon, and miss out the rest - or just attempt to be funny.

Once more, enjoy the new games.
 
MeanElf
Well, pretty much anything I'd expect, as graphics and performance of the platform are fairly integral to what is possible in a game.


A fair enough answer, and one that makes sense, especially if you have a group of friends who all like racing together. I also thank you for taking the time to type all of that. So often answers here focus more upon singling out one aspect to comment upon, and miss out the rest - or just attempt to be funny.

Once more, enjoy the new games.
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Most of GT's problems have nothing to do with graphics and performance. GT6 would still be boring if it was on a PS4.
 
What we're finally seeing with the GT series is as follows (to name a few):

Opening statement: The PD team is too small. It needs more staff. It cannot keep up.

Body: Gran Turismo's physics have reached a pinnacle, while all other features have essentially fallen off the radar. That's basically the same as a developer pouring most of its resources into graphics. That's just not how to make a solid, balanced game.

The recipe for Gran Turismo's A-spec mode is TOTALLY worn. It's fried. It's done. It requires an entirely NEW approach.

Artificial intelligence- You already know.

Customization has gone almost no where since GT4. People don't like that. People like the added control of livery editors and similar features. We want to feel like we own the cars, rather than simply just driving them.

A racing game with such terrible sounds, a la Gran Turisimo, loses so much credibility with each passing title that fails to correct it properly. The physics model can take our imaginations only so far. Great sound effects can further that virtual wonder and enjoyment.

Sound effects: Again, because physics receive the most attention, important factors like sound immersion are ignored.

Online functionality is still generally unappealing. Where did shuffle go, anyways?

Communication with fans: People don't like when they're not heard of acknowledged. It's how many of us have felt for a while now. Our most recent communication with PD has been through the low sales figures. Like the limbo, "how low can you go"?

Conclusion: Does anyone want to wait anymore? Do we really even have the interest or faith in PD to change things in Gran Turismo 7? Gran Turismo will continue to see lower sales and heavier criticism, especially as new series (series that WILL be competing with GT on the same platform), begin attacking its weaknesses.
 
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Alright, let's get this over with..

My ONE major gripe with this fudging game is the linearity and general boring atmosphere of the career mode. I've played the game for nearly one hundred hours and I'm not even out of IB yet. It bores the living daylights out of me. I just grind the X1 Junior, buy a nice car or two, hot lap it, and then I'm done for the day.

As someone who started playing with GT3, and thoroughly enjoyed it's career (and GT4's!) so much I barely touched GT5's online, despite even its own career mode's issues (think shoddy credit payouts and rolling starts aplenty) I can't believe how wrong it went for PD.

Here's hoping a HD remake of GT's 1 through 4 will come by some miracle chance, and gifted to us by the second coming of old Kazunori. Gran Turismo is still great in my memories ;_;
 
Imari
There's a lot of scope for making GT6 a better game without touching graphics or performance.

Improved career mode.
Improved online.
Improved customisation.

All of which make the game better, all of which can be done without doing a thing to the graphics or performance.
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And to add to that, none of which really require anything groundbreaking from a technical standpoint.
 
napalmhardcore
I agree with both Imari and Johnnypenso. I have said in the past that the biggest failings are the things that could be easily implemented but are not. Technical proficiency is not where the game falls short. In the context of game design, it is like PD/Kaz lacks common sense.
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Like the Hood view for example. Or the absence of one, should I say. Changing the depht and angle of the camera is easy job. They could have done it ages ago. I don't think it would even take one week of work.
 
fredyellowone
Like the Hood view for example. Or the absence of one, should I say. Changing the depht and angle of the camera is easy job. They could have done it ages ago. I don't think it would even take one week of work.
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So much in agreement with you! Simple stuff like explicit FOV control, a hood view and options for stuff like standing starts. They don't have to break new ground technically to implement these things, won't take months of development or even much hard drive space, yet would improve the game a lot.
 
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fredyellowone
Like the Hood view for example. Or the absence of one, should I say. Changing the depht and angle of the camera is easy job. They could have done it ages ago. I don't think it would even take one week of work.
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napalmhardcore
So much in agreement with you! Simple stuff like explicit FOV control, a hood view and options for stuff like standing starts. They don't have to break new ground technically to implement these things, won't take months of development or even much hard drive space, yet would improve the game a lot.
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What drives me a little batty is that some of this stuff is already in the game!! I found it out when I started hybriding in GT5. You could change the FOV, the function is already built into the game. So is the Event Creator. Stage 4 engine upgrade was there, racing flywheel etc. All kinds of stuff is already programmed into the game it just never made it into the part you actually see. -
 
Johnnypenso
What drives me a little batty is that some of this stuff is already in the game!! I found it out when I started hybriding in GT5. You could change the FOV, the function is already built into the game. So is the Event Creator. Stage 4 engine upgrade was there, racing flywheel etc. All kinds of stuff is already programmed into the game it just never made it into the part you actually see. -
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Hence the common sense statement I made earlier. So annoying!
 
Imari
There's a lot of scope for making GT6 a better game without touching graphics or performance.

Improved career mode.
Improved online.
Improved customisation.

All of which make the game better, all of which can be done without doing a thing to the graphics or performance.
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I have to disagree on this as well but I am not going disgust this any further so Imari have a nice day.
 
Imari
I do so enjoy when people don't even try to justify their irrational statements. It saves me the trouble of telling them how they're wrong.
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I am not wrong on this so Imari do some research please and you may find something very interesting and when you find it you will be a bit embarrassed to say the least.
 
MK2golflover
Most of GT's problems have nothing to do with graphics and performance. GT6 would still be boring if it was on a PS4.
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I doubt it. True it isn't reliant upon better graphics but system performance is fairly integral to what they might want to achieve. I'm going to use that word again - I get the feeling that the gestalt of what PD really want to do and achieve with the game would really impress a lot of people once more, and they clearly cannot do that on the PS3. That didn't stop them trying, which is better than not trying, in my eyes.

You might still find it boring, that's your perogative. I definitely wouldn't, but that says more about us as people maybe.
 
hall90
I am not wrong on this so Imari do some research please and you may find something very interesting and when you find it you will be a bit embarrassed to say the least.
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Well, since you've clearly already done the research and are so absolutely sure about being right, why don't go ahead and prove him wrong? Should be an easy ''win''.
 
hall90
I am not wrong on this so Imari do some research please and you may find something very interesting and when you find it you will be a bit embarrassed to say the least.
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How the career mode can't be improved without also improving the graphics or performance? Do tell.

You've made the claim, feel free to back it up with something. It's entirely non-intuitive that the structure of the career mode should be dependent on the graphics, so the ball's in your court.
 
After not playing GT6 for sometime, I had a little driving session the other night. I must say that I really enjoyed the physics, but I couldn't play it for too long as the engine noises really started to grate on me. Although they've always been bad, this is not something that has bothered me as much in the past. The reason? I've been spending some time on You Tube watching Project Cars videos, & the sound is pretty amazing. It's already started to ruin GT for me, & it's not even out yet!
 
hall90
I have to disagree on this as well but I am not going disgust this any further so Imari have a nice day.
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MeanElf
I doubt it. True it isn't reliant upon better graphics but system performance is fairly integral to what they might want to achieve. I'm going to use that word again - I get the feeling that the gestalt of what PD really want to do and achieve with the game would really impress a lot of people once more, and they clearly cannot do that on the PS3. That didn't stop them trying, which is better than not trying, in my eyes.

You might still find it boring, that's your perogative. I definitely wouldn't, but that says more about us as people maybe.
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I really cannot understand the excuse of the PS3 performance at all. Just a few examples using @Imari 's list:

Improved career mode
- You could improve the story line so to say with a career path you chose.
- You could make the difficulty adjustable
- You could make an event/championship creator providing endless playability offline.

Improved online
- Better search and filter options that require absolutely no technical effort
- More detailed definition of what is allowed in terms of tuning an what is not. Not simply allowed/not allowed
- More customizable time displays (gap to the driver in front, at your back, custom driver (e.g. your team mate, the guy in front of you in the championship)

Improved customisation
- At least a very very basic livery editor. At least some stripes, stickers and a race number. The PS3 can do this.

Those would undoubtedly make GT6 better and have absolutely nothing to do with the PS3s performance but with PD's design choices. I would be very surprised if these choices looked any different on PS4.
 
MeanElf
I doubt it. True it isn't reliant upon better graphics but system performance is fairly integral to what they might want to achieve. I'm going to use that word again - I get the feeling that the gestalt of what PD really want to do and achieve with the game would really impress a lot of people once more, and they clearly cannot do that on the PS3. That didn't stop them trying, which is better than not trying, in my eyes.

You might still find it boring, that's your perogative. I definitely wouldn't, but that says more about us as people maybe.
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What does that have to do with anything I said. What does PD's lack of imagination have anything to with the PS3's power?

What does not being able to do engine swaps have to do with the PS3's lack of power?

What does PD not being able to create a single player mode wich is exciting and has events that puts your car against other cars of similar spec have to do with the PS3's lack of power?

What does PD not being able to create sounds that sound more like the real thing have to do with the PS3's lack of power?

What does not having a livery editor have to do with the PS3's lack of power?

GT6 could be a lot better without having to change the graphics. That's what my post was about. I really don't understand how anybody could not agree.
 
One thing is sure : If we are still here, it's because we enjoyed that series in the past. And I'm sure that for the most of us, we really wanted GT6 to succeed. We really wanted GT6 to be a good game.

But Kaz don't care anymore about us, about what we want, about what is fun or not.

He got the big head, started to lie to us, and GT series turned into a manufacturer advertisement tool - and a tedious gaming experience trying to simulate the life of a Cheikh from Saudi Arabia Collecting cars.

I'm also wondering right now : Isn't Kaz supposed to shut down GT5 servers in not so long? That is going to be a big hit.
 
I think somewhere along the line PD bought into the mindset of "things we can do with online modes" and the rest went to you-know-where. Kinda sad that by all accounts they have failed even the most basic online activities folks could do endlessly in GT5. I think more features are coming for GT6, but it's not going to be much offline careerists are going to want or care about. IE: not much of a game, in the old sense, but more things that either connect gamers online or things you have to be online to participate in, or just stuff Kaz and PD want you to see, which will be fully imagined on the PS4 which equals that ridiculous monthly payment.

Fred, the "hot thinking" right now is the shutting down of GT5 servers will free up resources for GT6. I think it's about a 50% chance we're going to be disappointed about that (regarding GT6). And I've felt for the longest time that Kaz wasn't really trying to make a "game", as we generally envision such, but rather has been collecting "life experiences" on our dime and once in a while tries to share some passion or other with us. Happy not so much with that I am.:odd:
 
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