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The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread
- Thread starter HaylRayzor
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You can only do the best as you can in the game. When you said I am not good enough to complete S-Class no one is forcing you to complete them and that goes with the seasonal races as well and you do the ones that you capable of doing in the game.
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- Qship
Hmmm.... Hit the "play" arrow in the middle of the picture.
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- Johnnypenso
I was talking about when he said about completing the S-Class.
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Also known as the Single Player option. I understand where you're going with it, but the same time, what fun would it be if you got all gold...on Beginner? It would get boring. My assumption is this: The only reason why you're having trouble beating these times and S-Class, is mainly due to the difference in AI and your skill. In GT-GT5, they drove like Mrs. Daisy (no challenge), but now, they drive like dick heads, who get your adrenaline pumping, and frustrate you (challenge). Correct me if wrong, and I hate to drop the F bomb, but...Forza is also a pretty unforgiven game. Getting back on track. For you to not have issues beating the AI in GT5, only to have issues beating them in GT6, shows that you don't have great driving skill. You don't need to spend hours finding the perfect line to beat them, you only need a good enough line to get into first...and block them from beating you, while concentrating at the same time, aka Real Life. They do it in F1, and FIA GT1...and now they have it here. Again, don't like dropping the F bomb, but it's the same way with Forza. You just have to get better. I'm not on S-Class yet, but I can tell you that I will continue my trend of going into a 600pp race with a 450pp+ car and see what all I need to do to beat them by the smallest margin. Talk about heart pumping and making little to no mistakes.
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- Qship
Justin's problems with the rain in S Class reminded me of something. I never use rain tires. I just use racing soft tires and don't pit for rain tires. I tend to find a AWD car that gets good mileage. I've won those races with a AWD Non-Race car and never had to pit for tires or gas. I'll get way behind and then win! It's fun just like Gt amateur above using a 450PP car in a 600PP race.
A real white-knuckle ride is the Chaparral 2J in the rain races. NO HEADLIGHTS!
Has anyone found rain tires helped?
A real white-knuckle ride is the Chaparral 2J in the rain races. NO HEADLIGHTS!
Has anyone found rain tires helped?
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- JoshsoJB
*Sigh* when is something going to happen? I tired of doing the same stuff over and over and over again: trying and failing to have fun racing the A.I. on the same tracks, spending 15 minutes trying to find a decent tire-restricted room only to get disconnected a few races later.
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How about the Pitstop blog? Kaz answered like...one question. Wow!
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Justin's problems with the rain in S Class reminded me of something. I never use rain tires. I just use racing soft tires and don't pit for rain tires. I tend to find a AWD car that gets good mileage. I've won those races with a AWD Non-Race car and never had to pit for tires or gas. I'll get way behind and then win! It's fun just like Gt amateur above using a 450PP car in a 600PP race.
A real white-knuckle ride is the Chaparral 2J in the rain races. NO HEADLIGHTS!
Has anyone found rain tires helped?
I am going to have to check this I am sure the rules in the rain races on my IA it says rwd cars only.
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Always wondered why some pictures had that in the middle, It all makes sense now.
I know my computer skills are minimal don't mock please.
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Difficulty sliders. Every other game has them except for GT, in Career Mode.
^^^^^ This is what some one else said this is correct.
I know that's why I would like an easier option. I haven't tried once and given up, well a couple I did but most of them I have tried for ages and can't do. I know most people on here do a challenge for 15mins-6hours and gold it well I have done over 24 hours on the same challenge and failed call it lack of skill or what you want I can't do it. I enjoy the game most of the time and do want to play I struggle so would like easier.
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- Qship
What race are you stuck on? Contact me on Playstation or msg me here (your profile is blocked) and I'll see what I used. Put in a friend request, I'm Qship.
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- HaylRayzor
And I'm still waiting for the features we were promised.
I did my part. I paid you the $60 you asked. And almost a year later you still haven't done what you said you'd do.
What's that? We've got vision cars and multi-monitor support to make up for not having a course maker or B-spec?
Weak Kaz. Very weak.
I did my part. I paid you the $60 you asked. And almost a year later you still haven't done what you said you'd do.
What's that? We've got vision cars and multi-monitor support to make up for not having a course maker or B-spec?
Weak Kaz. Very weak.
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That's why I stopped buying games at $60. I now buy them for what they're all worth: $25-$30. IMO, no game is worth $60. I'm sorry. No matter how much I may like that company, their game will never be worth $60 to me.
Do you use any driving options for a race ?.
Just was thinking when we'll see you as I read through the latests whines.
Also amazes/confuses me that some think it's acceptable to pay for said features yet are to materialise. I think there should be more pressure placed on developers that charge but don't provide for what is paid for in a legal stance.
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- Neomone
Did you actually just tell someone having trouble with the difficulty of the game that all they need to do is play better? Talk about missing the point.
At any given difficulty level there will be a group of people that it's too hard for, or too easy for, or both. That's why difficulty levels were invented, because they realised that "one size fits all" was an impossibility when it came to gaming.
And while for some the point of Gran Turismo is to be the bestest simulator of all that's real about racing, I think for most the point is to have fun. If someone is having fun golding everything on Beginner, more power to them. As long as they're having a good time, then the game is working.
Forza can be an unforgiving game, but it can also be very forgiving. Because it has difficulty levels. See what I did there? You don't necessarily need to get better if you're having trouble, you can just turn the difficulty down and have fun, if that's what does it for you.
I think Gran Turismo forgets sometimes that the point is to be enjoyable. Mostly to be enjoyable by being realistic, but there are times when real life isn't that fun. That's why we have assists to help drive the cars for people who are less able. I don't see why the same logic doesn't apply to AI, where are the "assists" for the people having trouble with the AI?
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@justin credible carreer mode is not that hard with the right car.
i used the audi R10 TDI for lots of races and use max downforce with race soft tires, and did not change into rain or intermediate tires, just carefull driving.
There are two races you can't use a racecar, i used the mercedes AMG VGT in the first, and the Aventador on ascari.
It is possible, i'm not a good driver, but i got better by playing every day for 30 minutes if i did not have enough time to do a full race or races.
BUT!!!! i used the apex race line, you now, that blue one with the red braking lines? Helps to find the road. There is your beginner option.
You can check my youtube and see how i did it, with settings and mistakes and all.I also use chasecam and always record my real play, not a stupid replay to hide how someone really did it ( I'm talking about the youtubers that actually have a recording device hooked on the console).
@Gt amateur
You are right and you are wrong. Yes you're right, practice makes you better.It made me better, i even golded all licence tests after i finished carreer mode, took a while, but i got it.
Wrong, some people can't indeed get better.The people in the world are not all perfect like Adam and Eve.
There are people with physical restrictions.There are people that just can't get better, just because they can't for some reason, even if they are normal.
But for people that can get better and don't look for a solution that realy can help them.
This guy subscribed to my channel, at some point he is even better at some races then me.
I subscribed to him, he made me humble, made me stop nagging about GT6.
watch this clip and then go to his youtube account and watch some more clips how he does on races and events.
Look at that smile on his face, awesome.
He has done 700 tries on some events/races to win them.
i used the audi R10 TDI for lots of races and use max downforce with race soft tires, and did not change into rain or intermediate tires, just carefull driving.
There are two races you can't use a racecar, i used the mercedes AMG VGT in the first, and the Aventador on ascari.
It is possible, i'm not a good driver, but i got better by playing every day for 30 minutes if i did not have enough time to do a full race or races.
BUT!!!! i used the apex race line, you now, that blue one with the red braking lines? Helps to find the road. There is your beginner option.
You can check my youtube and see how i did it, with settings and mistakes and all.I also use chasecam and always record my real play, not a stupid replay to hide how someone really did it ( I'm talking about the youtubers that actually have a recording device hooked on the console).
@Gt amateur
You are right and you are wrong. Yes you're right, practice makes you better.It made me better, i even golded all licence tests after i finished carreer mode, took a while, but i got it.
Wrong, some people can't indeed get better.The people in the world are not all perfect like Adam and Eve.
There are people with physical restrictions.There are people that just can't get better, just because they can't for some reason, even if they are normal.
But for people that can get better and don't look for a solution that realy can help them.
This guy subscribed to my channel, at some point he is even better at some races then me.
I subscribed to him, he made me humble, made me stop nagging about GT6.
watch this clip and then go to his youtube account and watch some more clips how he does on races and events.
Look at that smile on his face, awesome.
He has done 700 tries on some events/races to win them.
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I didn't miss his point. I knew what his point was, hence the beginner to pro setting comment. Saying that he doesn't have great skill is still a valid point. His skill is good, don't get wrong, but it's not great enough to beat the aggressively dick headed AI in S-Class. I'm sure I'll probably have the same issues as him in that class, too. Even at your limit, you can always overcome those limitations. It all depends on whether you want to or not.
I agree.
Also true, but with Forza, skill is still required even at the beginner level, since those cars handle completely different from GT cars. Whose to say he won't have these same issues in Forza!
I think the "assists" all come from the community giving suggestions and tunes, that greatly enhances the cars capability, so races can become easier to do. I could be wrong. I'm not trying to be a dick to the guy, even though, it may have come off that way.
He's the perfect example of someone who overcame his limitations. I'm not disputing that he can't get better, because he most certainly can. I'll have to check it out when I'm not typing all of this from a phone.
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Thanks for all the replies and assistance everyone ^^^^^^.
I had a blip in health and since then although the doc's say it is not related I have trouble concentrating and remembering things, I used to get easily frustrated with simple things like not hitting trial times on gt6 as I know two years back I would have smashed the time. I learned to accept my reactions and skill level have dropped and just try and do my best, I just want a skill slider to open the game up to people like me with no physical disability but do have mental disabilities. Or stop locking levels and let me play regardless of how well I do on the previous level.
Huge respect to the lad above who has adapted his disability to play games. Well done son well done.
I had a blip in health and since then although the doc's say it is not related I have trouble concentrating and remembering things, I used to get easily frustrated with simple things like not hitting trial times on gt6 as I know two years back I would have smashed the time. I learned to accept my reactions and skill level have dropped and just try and do my best, I just want a skill slider to open the game up to people like me with no physical disability but do have mental disabilities. Or stop locking levels and let me play regardless of how well I do on the previous level.
Huge respect to the lad above who has adapted his disability to play games. Well done son well done.
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- DDDsprayshop
Yeah, i had a blip when i reached 40, my body started to do things i did not have in all my life.
Also at this moment, i'm having problems with my anger and trusting people.
I'm getting frustrated that some people don't do jobs properly while i know they can do it properly.
So i can relate to that, haveing problems with concentrating.
Just did the 600pp normal car matterhorn event in my other account, i golded it in my other account, but messed up every time today.My body starts to tremble, my hands feel akward and i have to calm down.
And that's what i mean with people who can't get better even if they are, so called, normal
Btw, i'm having breathing therapy (My breathing was off, resulting in hyperventylation and body tension)
Don't know if my english words are writen the right way.
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- Neomone
Or people who are younger and haven't developed the fine motor control that most adults take for granted.
It's a valid point if you think that lack of skill is a good reason to wall someone off from sections of content in a game they paid for, sure.
Not even that necessarily. Some people simply won't have the time to. Between a job, looking after family, socialising and so on, it's entirely possible that someone only has a few hours a week in which to enjoy Gran Turismo. Should they need to spend a month or two practising before they can get into the game properly? Or should the game adapt to their skills and situation and just allow them to have a good time?
I'm not sure you do. You seem pretty keen on this idea that people should just get better if they're not good enough. For some people, that process is fun. For others it definitely isn't, and they'll just shelve the game.
Skill is required for breathing in and out as well.
The point with Forza is that the player has more control over their gaming experience. Having trouble with the races being too hard? You can turn assists on, buy a faster car/tune your current car, or turn the AI down, whichever gives you the better racing experience. GT has one less option, and it's an important one.
Ah, so things outside the game. Good to know we're developing PD's game for them.
If you need to look outside the game for ways to get the game working properly, it's a bad design. End of.
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@Imari Yes, I agree with your limitations reply. Yes, I agree with your shelving the game comment, as well. Yes, you have a point with the Forza comment, but...GT-GT5, the AI was easy to beat and ppl asked for better and more competitive AI (assuming). Now that GT6 has given that competition, now we need sliders because it's too competitive? Which is it? Competition or no competition? But again, I can't really comment since I'm not on S class yet. To add, since he stated his actual limitations health and memory wise, this whole discussion can end, since he has identified what they were. If his limitations health wise were stated in the beginning, then I wouldn't have said what I said.
You're not developing for them, you're helping them out by pointing out what's wrong and what needs to be fixed, etc...that's what a community is sometimes used for, such as this. That's where patches and updates come into play. It's like that with many of these games these days. You as the end user, sees things they don't see, thus voicing these problems to them. Some get fixed, others don't. I'm quite grateful that there's a tuning community, because if I'm having issues beating a race, I consult this community to see if others are having issues doing the same. Once a solution has been presented, that problem is solved. A community can also help your experience with this game, aside from implementing sliders and assists. That's just me. I know we don't share the same opinion on this, and I'm not on S Class yet.
You're not developing for them, you're helping them out by pointing out what's wrong and what needs to be fixed, etc...that's what a community is sometimes used for, such as this. That's where patches and updates come into play. It's like that with many of these games these days. You as the end user, sees things they don't see, thus voicing these problems to them. Some get fixed, others don't. I'm quite grateful that there's a tuning community, because if I'm having issues beating a race, I consult this community to see if others are having issues doing the same. Once a solution has been presented, that problem is solved. A community can also help your experience with this game, aside from implementing sliders and assists. That's just me. I know we don't share the same opinion on this, and I'm not on S Class yet.
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It is neither. As I stated earlier, which you didn't read apparently:
People have not been asking for harder AI at the expense of the easy AI, or if they have then they're idiots. They have and should have been asking for harder AI in addition to the easy AI.
Options. The one thing that PD just doesn't get.
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Okay seems like I was the last to post in here so, sorry for double posting...sort of.
I'm not sure if this is where I should post this or if I should open up a new thread but I'm definitely whining so here goes.
I keep reading threads about tracks that are not in GT6. Tracks from older iterations of GT or real world tracks that just haven't made it into the series yet. In every thread there's some dummy who says "when we get the track creator someone can just make it."
As much as we are all clinching our butt cheeks in anticipation that the course creator will be released any moment now, there's no way that it will even come close to being able to recreate those tracks. Now before you get all defensive about your course creator skills or the fact that it hasn't been released so how could I possibly know this. Let me tell you how I know this. Even if this course creator is a magnificent CAD like universe where we can change the arch of a curve, the camber of a corner or the length of a straight by the minutest of measurements. (Which it probably won't be.) You will not be able to make Seattle Circuit, TGTT or better yet the classic layout of Spa Francorchamps. The reason? Because you won't have the correct scenery like farm houses and stone walls for Spa. How will you put the rail road tracks in Seattle Circuit or the freeway overpasses? What about the Jumbo Jet at the TGTT? Even if you could make an exact duplicate of the corners and elevation change it just would not be the same.
Also not knowing the exact corner radius, road camber, straight length, height of the armco, pedestrian bridge position, distance from the wall to the track surface, etc. is going to make for a plethora of crappy renditions of what are iconic and awesome circuits from around the globe and previous generations of GT.
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I'm not sure if this is where I should post this or if I should open up a new thread but I'm definitely whining so here goes.
I keep reading threads about tracks that are not in GT6. Tracks from older iterations of GT or real world tracks that just haven't made it into the series yet. In every thread there's some dummy who says "when we get the track creator someone can just make it."
As much as we are all clinching our butt cheeks in anticipation that the course creator will be released any moment now, there's no way that it will even come close to being able to recreate those tracks. Now before you get all defensive about your course creator skills or the fact that it hasn't been released so how could I possibly know this. Let me tell you how I know this. Even if this course creator is a magnificent CAD like universe where we can change the arch of a curve, the camber of a corner or the length of a straight by the minutest of measurements. (Which it probably won't be.) You will not be able to make Seattle Circuit, TGTT or better yet the classic layout of Spa Francorchamps. The reason? Because you won't have the correct scenery like farm houses and stone walls for Spa. How will you put the rail road tracks in Seattle Circuit or the freeway overpasses? What about the Jumbo Jet at the TGTT? Even if you could make an exact duplicate of the corners and elevation change it just would not be the same.
Also not knowing the exact corner radius, road camber, straight length, height of the armco, pedestrian bridge position, distance from the wall to the track surface, etc. is going to make for a plethora of crappy renditions of what are iconic and awesome circuits from around the globe and previous generations of GT.
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