Nooboogering
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For sure?
Because I do remember posting a request for Polyphony to add more online features. The thread I was posting felt quite aggressive about what they wanted, some were in overkill.
The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread
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For sure?
Because I do remember posting a request for Polyphony to add more online features. The thread I was posting felt quite aggressive about what they wanted, some were in overkill.
Nooboogering
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A blatant, outright falsehood. Every one of the top questions was well thought out, well written and very politely worded on top of being a topic of valid concern. Most of the discussion in every topic was the same. In fact it was the most polite, well behaved forum in all of GTP IMO.
This is what I believe @Imari is referring to when he references the "leave Britney alone" brigade. You're so blinded by GT and Kaz you can't see the forum for what it was and every little bit of negativity outweighs the positivity 100:1. You probably believe it was a good and justified decision on Kaz's part to completely ignore us too.
Your honour, I rest my case:
I did too. Seriously.
The manner has to change in GT Forums and be more PD focussed for PD to seriously focus on GTPlanet.
I'm sure they were prepared for negativity but changing their game into another game while still applying their own plans to their game meant that there will be a lot of pee'd off people on a premier gaming website who didn't get what they want.
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If this would hold even an ounce of truth, what else to expect, really? You surely wouldn't set up a Q&A if you can't take the heat (to some degree), especially on a dedicated fansite.
Any answer from the man himself would've been much welcomed and appreciated by fans and ''fanatics'' alike, regardless of what that answer might have been, I can (almost) assure you. Instead we got nothing, i.e complete radio silence. All we have to look back at now is a massive waste of time from our side.
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And you continue on proceeding from a false assumption as if no one has said anything to the contrary. Hence the "leave Britney alone" reference. You are suggesting that a legendary game developer, a Sony Vice President, the most famous sim racing game maker on the face of the planet, avoided answering a few well worded softball questions on the most rabid GT fan forum in the entire world, because some people on the interent might get "pee'd off" with his answers?
You don't seriously believe people at his level think like that do you? You don't seriously believe that after getting your most rabid fanbase revved up for months, having them drooling with anticipation, your best strategy is to simply abandon the project without a single word to the fans do you?
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No, you got it wrong.
They have all the information they need. Kaz has no need to answer apart from thanking GTPlaneteers.
Do you seriously think that PD can make GT7 the way you want it?
If you think its gut wrenching, wait until you tried the last Historic Car Challenge which was suicidal.
Cant believe the competition so cheap. 650 pp vs A FREAKING 722 PP GODDAMN.
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"Kaz has no need to answer?" What does that even mean? PD contacted GTP and asked them to make the forum so Kaz could answer our questions directly? Do you think we just made up the forum in the hopes that Kaz would show up?
What does this have to do with Kaz abandoning the Kaz Q&A?
You are providing a wonderful example of the "leave Britney alone" mentality. Imari is going to be very happy
I don't think people at PD play other games, so they have no idea on how game difficulty works. They also don't seem to watch real life motorsports, meaning they have no idea how those work either. That's why we have these dumb catch-up races with no damage or tire wear against a unbalanced grid and bad AI drivers.
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"Kaz has no need to answer?" What does that even mean? PD contacted GTP and asked them to make the forum so Kaz could answer our questions directly? Do you think we just made up the forum in the hopes that Kaz would show up?
What does this have to do with Kaz abandoning the Kaz Q&A?
You are providing a wonderful example of the "leave Britney alone" mentality. Imari is going to be very happy
That leave britney camp, I'm not in none of your camps. Never will be.
Yes of course, Kaz will answer questions on GT7 to let on to the competition. When Kaz say's it, it's gold.
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Oh the irony.
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Oh the irony.
I not sure what you mean by'the irony'.
You must be getting what I'm saying totally wrong.
I was being sarcastic.
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This 🤬 me off when others totally ignorne the points and oppinions of others. Its a sign of arrogancy and a perfect example of the "leave britanny alone"
All the information we need huh? And kaz has no need to answer? Well kaz (and PD) has the obligation to answer given financial grounds on consumer rights. Here we have a product which we, all have paid for that is not finished with missing promised features.
If you trully beleive that this is acceptable then may everyone who does, not enter into business for your own sake please. As you are surely going to end your endevour in tears.
So if i have all the answers,for instance, the promised gps routing and course maker from day one will be available....
I remember kaz saying it is (the course maker) almost ready, um probably about 6 months ago. What does almost ready mean in this instance?
If the only goal for others to do is to pick on and disregard what others (frustrated) oppinions are. Then please leave a thread which has been created for the sole purpose to let those frustrated let of some steam. And i am sorry to say but some aren't going to like some of the rightfully appointed negativity towards PD and kaz.
I for one one wouldnt buy a 4 door car with the promise the back doors will be affixed at a latter unknown date, so why is it acceptable for PD to not answer concerns of the GT userbase?
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The problem is PD haven't had much competition in terms of the playstation 3 console and racing simulation games to cause them to push their endeavors to make a new game and make and truly unique and different. That is 16 years to the date of release of GT6 since Gran Turismo one They have devised a plan and philosophy and stuck with it throughout the whole 16 years of the franchise. They have done this to themselves. Poor management is involved here and 0 creativity and innovation and by keeping old world views, concepts, techniques, tools.
The A.I has never much changed from the first Gran Turismos, they have always pushed the concept of standard models / premium. All they have done is lazy polish work and clean up the graphics with the exception of a few new models or few new tracks. By using the same methodology and tools. Making copies, using old rather than re inventing and creating totally new models. same in the sound department. So to the point that we have 1200 cars now and stupid amount of standard models, no interiors. Sounds have hardly changed from their old games at all. GT6 even with all its glory graphics of the PS3 system, the game still just feels like a PS1- PS2 era type of game.
The only exception is the beefed up Graphics and models and texture work that has gone into the game because of the PS3 over the PS1 and PS2. Yes the physics engine has been improved to some extent. Their design, concept and philosophy worked back then on old consoles. But they have let things get out of hand and they have fallen too far behind with mis match and none seamless. Now the amount of work on engine sounds for all 1200 cars, better A.I and all the modelling work for 1200 cars is the result and they will feel this pain they making for themselves.
PD have dug themselves a grave in which a coffin is ready for them literally if GT7 continues in the way all the other GT's have with these old visions, concepts, designs and techniques. Through their own fault they have made the amount of work they now have on their hands a heavy burden to carry. The amount of problems and issues to solve they have left and now they are feeling the balloon is over inflating and its about to burst. I'm sorry but it's just bad management and decision making by PD especially Kaz. How many year have they had to make GT into the game it should be like where Microsoft are with car modelling and sounds. 16 years. 16 years to do something about it.
What PD need to do is communicate with the fans personally. Like SMS are doing with their title. Even Microsoft do on their Forza forums. Employees from the company need to create accounts especially on GTPlanet and other top gaming forums. If Kaz can not speak any english then he needs to have translator san and other employees who can speak english engage with us.
In an age where most of the world is connected to the Interweb. Competition and business is even more competitive to sell products with the consumer. Social is the BIG thing in which Businesses need to be able to have engaging chats with their consumers.
So what I'm saying is that the franchise of the game hasn't really felt like it has evolved in line with the hardware and technology of the consoles. Using the same old tools and methodology - PD. With each new forza on every console you could see a massive difference between the 3 consoles and each iteration of the game actually evolved to fit the new hardware. Microsoft have made 5 Forza across two consoles.
But GT has been on PS One to Playstation 3. Big differences in 16 years in how they used the same old tools and techniques for their aging concept and same ideas copied over to new Gran Turismos. Yet employing the same tools, concepts as the PSone and two on the Playstation 3 to design the game with the same old ideas. I'm talking about poor modelling, standard model vs premium, and sound here. Even A.I. Does anyone else feel like this is the case?? I feel like this has always been the case. I know because I've been with PD since Gran Turismo.
The only major advances are in how they built the UI, physics engine and the graphics have improved for the in game world experience and tracks, but they still use the same tools and low polygon modelling concepts and techniques brought over from PS1 - PS2 era consoles. same with A.I and same with engine sounds. Ok so YES the modelling on the premium cars on PS3 is better than it ever was. But right upto GT5 and I'm talking mainly standard cars. This has been where the issue lies.
If GT7 was cured from they 3 key core issues everyone has with Gran Turismo then it would be competing with Project CARS and Forza. And then PD would have less of an issue on their hands. But if they continue to make GT7 in the same way as they always have with all the Gran Turismos even GT7 will show its age using age old ideas and concepts using the same old tools.
I'm not even going to go into features they took out of GT6 that made 5 and all the GT before 6 great. Another BIG issue is customization. The same old concept and design philosophy. Since the old Gran Turismos the upgrade shop and parts have hardly changed or evolved by adding new making it better, wider ranging like Forza has. It's always been virtually the same. No innovation here either.
The few customization upgrades in GT6 are obviously a good step in the right direction and are better than any GT and GT5. But it's no where near enough. I'm talking about pure upgrading car parts and how that has evolved. Where its at is Forza.
The A.I has never much changed from the first Gran Turismos, they have always pushed the concept of standard models / premium. All they have done is lazy polish work and clean up the graphics with the exception of a few new models or few new tracks. By using the same methodology and tools. Making copies, using old rather than re inventing and creating totally new models. same in the sound department. So to the point that we have 1200 cars now and stupid amount of standard models, no interiors. Sounds have hardly changed from their old games at all. GT6 even with all its glory graphics of the PS3 system, the game still just feels like a PS1- PS2 era type of game.
The only exception is the beefed up Graphics and models and texture work that has gone into the game because of the PS3 over the PS1 and PS2. Yes the physics engine has been improved to some extent. Their design, concept and philosophy worked back then on old consoles. But they have let things get out of hand and they have fallen too far behind with mis match and none seamless. Now the amount of work on engine sounds for all 1200 cars, better A.I and all the modelling work for 1200 cars is the result and they will feel this pain they making for themselves.
PD have dug themselves a grave in which a coffin is ready for them literally if GT7 continues in the way all the other GT's have with these old visions, concepts, designs and techniques. Through their own fault they have made the amount of work they now have on their hands a heavy burden to carry. The amount of problems and issues to solve they have left and now they are feeling the balloon is over inflating and its about to burst. I'm sorry but it's just bad management and decision making by PD especially Kaz. How many year have they had to make GT into the game it should be like where Microsoft are with car modelling and sounds. 16 years. 16 years to do something about it.
What PD need to do is communicate with the fans personally. Like SMS are doing with their title. Even Microsoft do on their Forza forums. Employees from the company need to create accounts especially on GTPlanet and other top gaming forums. If Kaz can not speak any english then he needs to have translator san and other employees who can speak english engage with us.
In an age where most of the world is connected to the Interweb. Competition and business is even more competitive to sell products with the consumer. Social is the BIG thing in which Businesses need to be able to have engaging chats with their consumers.
So what I'm saying is that the franchise of the game hasn't really felt like it has evolved in line with the hardware and technology of the consoles. Using the same old tools and methodology - PD. With each new forza on every console you could see a massive difference between the 3 consoles and each iteration of the game actually evolved to fit the new hardware. Microsoft have made 5 Forza across two consoles.
But GT has been on PS One to Playstation 3. Big differences in 16 years in how they used the same old tools and techniques for their aging concept and same ideas copied over to new Gran Turismos. Yet employing the same tools, concepts as the PSone and two on the Playstation 3 to design the game with the same old ideas. I'm talking about poor modelling, standard model vs premium, and sound here. Even A.I. Does anyone else feel like this is the case?? I feel like this has always been the case. I know because I've been with PD since Gran Turismo.
The only major advances are in how they built the UI, physics engine and the graphics have improved for the in game world experience and tracks, but they still use the same tools and low polygon modelling concepts and techniques brought over from PS1 - PS2 era consoles. same with A.I and same with engine sounds. Ok so YES the modelling on the premium cars on PS3 is better than it ever was. But right upto GT5 and I'm talking mainly standard cars. This has been where the issue lies.
If GT7 was cured from they 3 key core issues everyone has with Gran Turismo then it would be competing with Project CARS and Forza. And then PD would have less of an issue on their hands. But if they continue to make GT7 in the same way as they always have with all the Gran Turismos even GT7 will show its age using age old ideas and concepts using the same old tools.
I'm not even going to go into features they took out of GT6 that made 5 and all the GT before 6 great. Another BIG issue is customization. The same old concept and design philosophy. Since the old Gran Turismos the upgrade shop and parts have hardly changed or evolved by adding new making it better, wider ranging like Forza has. It's always been virtually the same. No innovation here either.
The few customization upgrades in GT6 are obviously a good step in the right direction and are better than any GT and GT5. But it's no where near enough. I'm talking about pure upgrading car parts and how that has evolved. Where its at is Forza.
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I totally disagree.
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Explain how you disagree ? Its only an opinion of mine. I'm not shouting anyone down here. But I do know what I'm talking about when I say playstation one or two type era when it comes to car modelling, sound, the upgrading of the car concept, and the A.I. I have been with the game from Gran Turismo on Playstation One. And I do notice the flaws and old ideas and methods employed over 16 years. All that has been done is polish them over with slightly upgraded tools or models to fit the nice graphics of the PS3. They are still using old ways.
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If only...We HOPE that by giving the whiners a specific thread, MAYBE they'll congregate here and stay off the other threads.
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Took you long enough.
You know how you don't like people that come into the positive threads to complain about GT? You are now exactly like them.
Take a deep breath, and evaluate whether you really have something to contribute here or if you're just trying to defend the game you love.
But it's not about how you perceive yourself, it's about how others perceive you.
As long as you're in the whining and crying thread attempting to defend GT, you fit the profile to a T.
But if PD wants to still be using old ways, and I am fine with that as long as it is a good game to play, and with GT6 we all know why it was not good because of the limitations with the PS3 console, but I still enjoy it. Really looking forward to GT7.
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Positive threads lol. Don't you have a problem with positive threads? lol
You made up some silly little girls name group so you could try and belittle Gran Turismo Users who have played the game since dot.
The leave britney alone camp came from you, if you gonna dig a pit, dig two.
Just because you don't love the game, everyone else that does is belittled. That's how I perceive you, like some sort of bully, pushing people into groups that you claim they belong.
Don't pee'd of to much. It's a video game, you know a form of entertainment that your not meant to take seriously. Video games are frustrating only if you let them be, You got to remember...It's just a game.
