The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

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HKS racer
The truth is at this stage of development gameplay videos are proving Kaz wrong.
Actually his words sounds like a media marketing PR bluff.
We'll talk again when they'll finally improve AI.

The only facts we have now are gameplay videos.
A random dude needed only 54 seconds to become first from last place.
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How is proving the demo videos that Kaz is wrong if he says that those two points are not yet implemented?? :lol:

Are you new to videogames? often public demos compiled for expos are tuned in some ways to be accesible to the crowd. IA being the most toned down feature.

Can we expect your same GT6 IA thoughts here?

 
MuoNiuLa
And that good point is? I don't see how pulling Forza out of nowhere and saying it has some of the same "issues" as GT is going to benefit GT in the long run. I put issues in quotes because those things mentioned in Moogle's post are debatable. It just sounds like justifying GT's problems just because another series is guilty of the same from a subjective point of view.
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Many people have brought Forza up as a comparison, as a standard to what GT6 should be. Mind you, it can be the standard, but people are acting as if every racing game has got everything right except for GT.
 
Zer0
How is proving the demo videos that Kaz is wrong if he says that those two points are not yet implemented?? :lol:

Are you new to videogames? often public demos compiled for expos are tuned in some ways to be accesible to the crowd. IA being the most toned down feature.

Can we expect your same GT6 IA thoughts here?

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Zero, your only purpose for being here seems to be to wind people up. But quite aside from that Kaz promised much improved AI for GT4, GT5 and GT6 (he may have even promised it for GT3 but I wasn't following pre release news at the time). Just because Kaz says something doesn't mean it is so. With a little digging I'm sure I could compile a long list of things Kaz has said which he hasn't delivered on. This may make me unpopular but I think you give Kaz too much credit.
 
Zer0
How is proving the demo videos that Kaz is wrong if he says that those two points are not yet implemented?? :lol:

Are you new to videogames? often public demos compiled for expos are tuned in some ways to be accesible to the crowd. IA being the most toned down feature.

Can we expect your same GT6 IA thoughts here?

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awfull AI, awfull soundtracks, driver is worst...

napalmhardcore
Zero, your only purpose for being here seems to be to wind people up. But quite aside from that Kaz promised much improved AI for GT4, GT5 and GT6 (he may have even promised it for GT3 but I wasn't following pre release news at the time). Just because Kaz says something doesn't mean it is so. With a little digging I'm sure I could compile a long list of things Kaz has said which he hasn't delivered on. This may make me unpopular but I think you give Kaz too much credit.
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And I think you give too less credit to Kaz, you seem too expect nothing new from the new game, also AI in GT5 is really good in arcade mode with AI set to 10 aggressivity
 
napalmhardcore
Zero, your only purpose for being here seems to be to wind people up. But quite aside from that Kaz promised much improved AI for GT4, GT5 and GT6 (he may have even promised it for GT3 but I wasn't following pre release news at the time). Just because Kaz says something doesn't mean it is so. With a little digging I'm sure I could compile a long list of things Kaz has said which he hasn't delivered on. This may make me unpopular but I think you give Kaz too much credit.
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I'm just saying wait and see, not judge without knowing and with a double standard.
 
CodeName
awfull AI, awfull soundtracks, driver is worst...



And I think you give too less credit to Kaz, you seem too expect nothing new from the new game, also AI in GT5 is really good in arcade mode with AI set to 10 aggressivity
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There's no perfect or great AI in console racing game ..., don't forget to set Arcade GT5 AI to Professional :D
 
Zer0
I'm just saying wait and see, not judge without knowing and with a double standard.
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Personally I haven't been (not saying you have accused me), so that is something we can agree on. However due to past experience I take what Kaz says with a pinch of salt.
 
CodeName
awfull AI, awfull soundtracks, driver is worst...



And I think you give too less credit to Kaz, you seem too expect nothing new from the new game, also AI in GT5 is really good in arcade mode with AI set to 10 aggressivity
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Ah, didn't spot this before. "And I think you give too less credit to Kaz" well that's your opinion to which you are entitled. In regards to what I expect from GT6, I do expect new things from GT6, just not necessarily some of the things that are important to me. And as far as I remember, if you set the AI to 10 in arcade mode you are put in a group with faster cars with no major differences to the AI.
 
napalmhardcore
Ah, didn't spot this before. "And I think you give too less credit to Kaz" well that's your opinion to which you are entitled. In regards to what I expect from GT6, I do expect new things from GT6, just not necessarily some of the things that are important to me. And as far as I remember, if you set the AI to 10 in arcade mode you are put in a group with faster cars with no major differences to the AI.
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No major difference??? Is that you hate GT5 so much that you say that or? AI set on 10 and in professionnal mode is driving so much better, you should try.
 
CodeName
No major difference??? Is that you hate GT5 so much that you say that or? AI set on 10 and in professionnal mode is driving so much better, you should try.
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It has been a while since I've played it, but as far as I remember the difference was not so much in the AI itself but more in the fact that they are driving faster cars so it seems harder. And I don't hate GT5.
 
Zer0
How is proving the demo videos that Kaz is wrong if he says that those two points are not yet implemented??
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Well genious, what happen in a GT6 demo worth more than 1000 words by his developer, worth more than 1000 posts saying AI is not yet implemented and everything is a placeholder or has been toned down because pubblic demo, and definitely worth more than any stupid smiley you put at the end of your posts.

When and if AI will be REALLY improved it has to be seen.
For now GT6 AI is nothing more than a lie. Get over it.
 
HKS racer
Well genious, what happen in a GT6 demo worth more than 1000 words by his developer, worth more than 1000 posts saying AI is not yet implemented and everything is a placeholder, and definitely worth more than any stupid smiley you put at the end of your posts.

When and if AI will be REALLY improved it has to be seen.
For now GT6 AI is nothing more than a lie. Get over it.
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Well, what a kind guy there. Do you see life dark? You have no hope for anything? You just get over? I have never seen Kaz lying to us, everything he said, he did. How much time do I have to say it: ALL THIS IS PLACEHOLDER! You already know! So what do you want? Damn GT6 everyday for x reason? Your posts are more stupid than anything, have no purpose, but is only here to add more sorrow here, more darkness, you say to get over it... What a good advice... It seems you are not happy with the amazing work PD is giving us. Zer0 is the complete opposite, he adds smiley (well you mentioned it first lol), he tries to be significant in his posts, and tries to find a positive way for something. Hey, I know life is not pink, but it isn't also dark.
 
napalmhardcore
Zero, your only purpose for being here seems to be to wind people up. But quite aside from that Kaz promised much improved AI for GT4, GT5 and GT6 (he may have even promised it for GT3 but I wasn't following pre release news at the time). Just because Kaz says something doesn't mean it is so. With a little digging I'm sure I could compile a long list of things Kaz has said which he hasn't delivered on. This may make me unpopular but I think you give Kaz too much credit.
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I agree, picked up GT day one for all versions and i don't see the kind of progression happening that people believe will. I equate what Kaz has to say now as to what a used car salesman would say trying to sell me a Pacer.
 
HaylRayzor
Unfortunately that isn't true. Even set to 10 the AI only seem fast because they have a better car than you.
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Not true at all, I just tested both AI at 1 and 10, both on professional, using same car ( mine ) : Tuned Ferrari 512BB Twin Turbo at 693HP, exactly the same opponent cars - a field of Cien, Nardo, Enzo, Ford GT, ZZII, SLR, Viper ACR, NSX R LM, etc. The track is at SSR7. They don't get better car 1 and 10 AI are just as fast at the straight on SSR7 as they are all running at over 200 miles per hour ( the cars that could reach it ) - have to draft to catch them up.

Coolest highway battle ever !!! A train of 16 cars at 200+miles per hour at midnight. I was on comfort soft, the AI seems to handle the cars pretty well, having draft battle in the tunnel, 4 cars surrounding me, and none act weird.
 
Even with the AI set to 10 I could only get a competitive race by tuning my car down. If I used the same car the AI could never keep up.
 
HaylRayzor
Even with the AI set to 10 I could only get a competitive race by tuning my car down. If I used the same car the AI could never keep up.
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Look at the video i posted: Valdudes races with an aventador which is in fact better than every cars he races against here, but the AI is still amazing, they take very fast corner, no dumb brakes well known in GT lol, and overall amazing. If that was the definitive AI in GT6, i would be so happy with it, it's so bad this AI is not in GT mode but only in arcade mode...

sems4arsenal
Only thing impressive about the video is just how amazing GT5 tracks look at dusk :drool: .
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Lol, that's not all, too much people complaining about the GT5 AI, while PD did a verrry good improvement with this AI in arcade mode, professional mode, and set on 10 aggressivity :)
 
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251378&highlight=Arcade+love

You gotta jump through some hoops to get a decent race in Arcade. See "game changer" memo on how to vary a lineup in that thread. I think it works best if you drive with a tire less than default on fully stock vehicles. Any driver aids especially using ABS makes it too easy. Add ballast and don't pass any cars on lap 1-any idiot can zip through the field on lap 1. Heck I go back to P16 at Start. Drive with OLR rules. ie no dive bombing.

AI speed doesn't vary with it set to 10, only makes them more aggressive. Never tried any setting below Professional. They have some horrible tendencies like brake checking on exits and driving like grannies on high banked turns.

A fast competent driver will get bored quick if they think the AI is going to race them like a human. There's no way a one size fits all AI can appeal to 10 million different drivers either. Hopefully some day in some game AI will become truly intelligent, right now I'm not holding my breath.
 
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CodeName
Look at the video i posted: Valdudes races with an aventador which is in fact better than every cars he races against here, but the AI is still amazing, they take very fast corner, no dumb brakes well known in GT lol, and overall amazing. If that was the definitive AI in GT6, i would be so happy with it, it's so bad this AI is not in GT mode but only in arcade mode...



Lol, that's not all, too much people complaining about the GT5 AI, while PD did a verrry good improvement with this AI in arcade mode, professional mode, and set on 10 aggressivity :)
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To be honest I've been racing only using that setup but still find the A.I very very much lacking,it is better than the utter daft crap mode they have when playing the seasonals though
 
lancia delta hf
I cant fathom why PD have got p.r guys in the whinning and crying thread trying to convince us everything is rosey.
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If PD does have people here this is my chance! Please please let me adjust FOV explicitly and give me the ability to move seat position in cockpit view!

Now that I've made a joke whilst simultaneously wedging my biggest request into this thread (again, sorry subscribers), I'd like to ask something. I heard someone mention a couple of pages back that the Top Gear test track isn't going to be in GT6. Does anyone have any idea if this is for sure? It would be a shame for them to take it out.
 
napalmhardcore
If PD does have people here this is my chance! Please please let me adjust FOV explicitly and give me the ability to move seat position in cockpit view!

Now that I've made a joke whilst simultaneously wedging my biggest request into this thread (again, sorry subscribers), I'd like to ask something. I heard someone mention a couple of pages back that the Top Gear test track isn't going to be in GT6. Does anyone have any idea if this is for sure? It would be a shame for them to take it out.
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It's not in. If you look on the official GT website it has a list of returning tracks from GT5 and TGTT is not on it.
 
CodeName
Look at the video i posted: Valdudes races with an aventador which is in fact better than every cars he races against here, but the AI is still amazing, they take very fast corner, no dumb brakes well known in GT lol, and overall amazing. If that was the definitive AI in GT6, i would be so happy with it, it's so bad this AI is not in GT mode but only in arcade mode...

Lol, that's not all, too much people complaining about the GT5 AI, while PD did a verrry good improvement with this AI in arcade mode, professional mode, and set on 10 aggressivity :)
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I see the same old train of cars not racing each other but simply acting as moving roadblocks for the player that we have come to expect from the GT series. The AI was better in Geoff Crammonds F1GP 2 (PC only - but these were 1 core 16 bit 486 processors @ around 30 - 60 mhz) from 1996.

I can honestly say that GT5 has the worst racing AI of any game I own on PS3. It is truly abysmal.

What's more every racing game I have ever owned apart from GT titles has had difficulty settings so they can appeal to both the casual and hardcore players.

Try going back & playing GT1 or GT2 (or 3 or 4 or 5 prologue or GT5). You'll notice that while there are some differences, overall the AI behaviour is much the same. The bunny car for example always appears. The AI hardly ever race each other.

The differences between the arcade AI (on any setting) are very slight.

The problem is that PD isn't really interested in the philosophy of racing, otherwise they would insist on better entry / tyre restrictions for races.

In real racing only one person from the field of 16 people can win.
In PD's philosophy, that person should always be the player. :grumpy:

The only area that GT is best at is graphics - but I would rather have a game with 🤬 graphics and challenging, fun game play any day
 

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