The GT6 Epic Whining and Crying Thread

[Jawehawk]

I might suggest you watch it, since it answers your question there...

Yeah, no. I ain't listening to some incompetent hack from IW or Treyarch.

 

[Chippy569]

drift0r is a just a youtuber for a handful of games, but clearly your mind is already made up.

 

[HKS racer]

I have been back and forth on GT6 and how I feel about it, but I came across a fantastic video today about COD and how game developers approach things. While of course this guy is talking about the COD franchise and how game franchises progress, I find the parallels of his arguments to GT very obvious. Speaking from experience, the arguments he makes are also very accurate. It's like 20 minutes but if you have time to spare, I'd suggest you watch

Watched the interesting video it explain why Call Of Duty should be almost the same over and over again. They have good reasons for it, it's a winning formula. Easy to control, easy to pick up and play it has that particular CoD "feel".

The thing is a first person shooter is radically different from a racing game. A livery editor don't make any sense in Call Of Duty, they already have tons of DLC for crazy paint guns, not many people care to paint them by their own in a game. They just want to shoot, or create their own clans and become a sniper a grenadier or whatever. That's the fun in CoD.

A racing game is different, the approach is different, of course you can pick up and play, turn PS3 on, select car, race turn PS3 off. You can do this already (if you close an eye on the utterly slow GT5 menu, and laughable sportsmanship in pubblic lobbies)

The point is there will always someone demanding options to create their leagues, their skins, options to decide race rules booth online and OFFLINE.

Poliphony Digitial now with GT6 hopefully going at least for the GT4 winning formula, no it didn't have a livery editor but it had a rock solid Career Mode, amazing tracks, lots of events, most of them challenging with an high replay value, it was an inspiered racing game, with lot of consistency. People loved it.

GT5 career mode was the the complete opposite, it felt like a rushed incoherent career copied from the very first GT. The cream of the crop (sarcasm) was the undefinable dumbed down AI ruining pretty much everything. They still sold the game a lot because
-it's called GT
-PD hyped the game to a level we were all waiting GOD of racing games
-it has very good graphics
-there are no other options on PS3.
(Formula 1 CE is good but it's about 2006 F1's and a bounch of bonus cars).

 

[wowbaggerBR]

Poliphony Digitial now with GT6 hopefully going at least for the GT4 winning formula, no it didn't have a livery editor but it had a rock solid Career Mode, amazing tracks, lots of events, most of them challenging with an high replay value, it was an inspiered racing game, with lot of consistency. People loved it.

I want to believe in this. Otherwise, Project SCREENSHOTS will do.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

They still sold the game a lot because
-it's called GT
-PD hyped the game to a level we were all waiting GOD of racing games
-it has very good graphics
-there are no other options on PS3.
(Formula 1 CE is good but it's about 2006 F1's and a bounch of bonus cars).

And we had to wait 5 years, which caused even more hype the longer it took. And all for an unfinished game at release.

 

[jules283]

GT5 career mode was the the complete opposite, it felt like a rushed incoherent career copied from the very first GT. The cream of the crop (sarcasm) was the undefinable dumbed down AI ruining pretty much everything. They still sold the game a lot because
-it's called GT
-PD hyped the game to a level we were all waiting GOD of racing games
-it has very good graphics
-there are no other options on PS3.
(Formula 1 CE is good but it's about 2006 F1's and a bounch of bonus cars).

I think the 1000 cars was perhaps a big selling point.

But, the dealbreaker for me was the physics, which aren't mentioned a lot.
Roll-on GT6.

 

[Imari]

I have been back and forth on GT6 and how I feel about it, but I came across a fantastic video today about COD and how game developers approach things. While of course this guy is talking about the COD franchise and how game franchises progress, I find the parallels of his arguments to GT very obvious. Speaking from experience, the arguments he makes are also very accurate. It's like 20 minutes but if you have time to spare, I'd suggest you watch

PD violated a lot of the rules in that video by introducing a wacky XP system instead of the historical licensing system, and got a lot of flak for it. They did away with the old career mode and replaced it with something shorter and worse than GT4. Fundamental parts of the game that had been available in GT5P like PP and matchmaking had been removed. PP returned later, matchmaking has never returned.

I think if anything, the video shows exactly what GT failed to do, and why they get so much stick. The rule seems to be "If you can't make something better, leave it the hell alone". PD failed to do that in a lot of areas.

 

[wowbaggerBR]

You, sir, are a very reasonable person. Your remarks summarize, once again, quite good what PD got wrong.

 

[TokoTurismo]

PD violated a lot of the rules in that video by introducing a wacky XP system instead of the historical licensing system, and got a lot of flak for it. They did away with the old career mode and replaced it with something shorter and worse than GT4. Fundamental parts of the game that had been available in GT5P like PP and matchmaking had been removed. PP returned later, matchmaking has never returned.

I think if anything, the video shows exactly what GT failed to do, and why they get so much stick. The rule seems to be "If you can't make something better, leave it the hell alone". PD failed to do that in a lot of areas.

So that's the reason why PD should never change anything their good at. No wonder the XP system got removed. Hurray! I hope PD learned their lesson, and while their at it, they should add matchmaking back in GT6 again.

 

[ShiftingGears]

So that's the reason why PD should never change anything their good at.

That isn't what "If you can't make something better, leave it the hell alone" means at all. I can't think of a single gameplay aspect that couldn't be improved.

No wonder the XP system got removed. Hurray! I hope PD learned their lesson, and while their at it, they should add matchmaking back in GT6 again.

What do you think they will learn their lesson with? I've gotten the distinct impression that PD think they're good at a lot of things that they aren't, as demonstrated by the lack of significant progress of several gameplay aspects since GT1.

 

[HKS racer]

https://www.gtplanet.net/new-gt6-engine-sounds-could-included-in-game-update/
Not impressed.

 

[Zer0]

^

which doesn't actually address te question i asked, which was how many of these 'placeholders' do people think will end up being the final build?

there is no such thing as final build as probably the game will get little updates and new "spec" versions along its life time. The real final build will be on their last update.

I would not expect a new ai and new sounds until pd does a public claim as a new characteristic in the official page (like they made with the actual new implemented features). And probably these will no be available in the launch date but could be part of the future updates.

http://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/products/gt6/technology/

 

[Scaff]

^

Did you miss the number of qualifiers included in that statement (could, maybe, etc.)?

You may be happy about it, but I certainly know I'm not impressed and at the current pace GT6 is not going to be a day one purchase for me.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

I just hope better sounds are the only thing that is being patched later. If we have to wait for good AI too, I will not be happy.

 

[MoLiEG]

Did you miss the number of qualifiers included in that statement (could, maybe, etc.)?

You may be happy about it, but I certainly know I'm not impressed and at the current pace GT6 is not going to be a day one purchase for me.

And that's why I'll wait for the 1rst or even 2nd price drop... If I buy it...

 

[Roflwaffle]

I think the 1000 cars was perhaps a big selling point.

I was so dissapointed when I found out that most of those 1000 cars were just the same poorly rendered generic Japanese sports cars

 

[avens]

Did you miss the number of qualifiers included in that statement (could, maybe, etc.)?

You may be happy about it, but I certainly know I'm not impressed and at the current pace GT6 is not going to be a day one purchase for me.

On that note, I don't see a reason to buy an unfinished game at release date. I'll buy it when sounds are fixed, cheaper as well.

 

[djslofstra]

What really is frustrating me: News websites that give us wrong information sothat we get hope.
Example1: A couple of days ago Kaz said that GT7 will come in 'a year or two'. That means it will come in something like two years. Maybe sooner but we know PD so we know it will take at least two years.

Now after an hour I noticed that some news websites said: "GT7 coming in one or two years"
Just because they mistranslated a year or two in a single year or two years...


Example2: Kaz said that they might give us better sounds after an update.
Now I see on every website: "There will be an update to improve the car sounds in GT6"
That is not sure. It isn't sure that there are still crappy sounds at release and it is also not sure that there will be an update to improve the sounds.


Conclussion: All the News websites leave words like might, probably and think. I hate that because that just gives us false hope.

 

[HKS racer]

What really is frustrating me: News websites that give us wrong information sothat we get hope.
Example1: A couple of days ago Kaz said that GT7 will come in 'a year or two'. That means it will come in something like two years. Maybe sooner but we know PD so we know it will take at least two years.

Now after an hour I noticed that some news websites said: "GT7 coming in one or two years"
Just because they mistranslated a year or two in a single year or two years...


Example2: Kaz said that they might give us better sounds after an update.
Now I see on every website: "There will be an update to improve the car sounds in GT6"
That is not sure. It isn't sure that there are still crappy sounds at release and it is also not sure that there will be an update to improve the sounds.


Conclussion: All the News websites leave words like might, probably and think. I hate that because that just gives us false hope.

They do that because GT customers are probably the easiest people to fool in the whole gaming industry.

 

[Downhill Dino]

What makes this over generalized consumer base easy to fool?

 

[TokoTurismo]

What makes this over generalized consumer base easy to fool?

I'll like to know this too. That's just pure frustration over sounds, right there....

 

[albteman015]

I have been back and forth on GT6 and how I feel about it, but I came across a fantastic video today about COD and how game developers approach things. While of course this guy is talking about the COD franchise and how game franchises progress, I find the parallels of his arguments to GT very obvious. Speaking from experience, the arguments he makes are also very accurate. It's like 20 minutes but if you have time to spare, I'd suggest you watch

This person that made this video is absolutely correct on every single aspect.

I am a business student and my marketing professor dropped this line on us the other day.

"Corporations only speak one language. This language is not English or Dutch or Latin or any other spoken language ever. The only tongue they speak in is money. So if you want to tell them something, you also have to speak the same language. "

All of us here complaining endlessly about this franchise will do absolutely nothing. If you guys think that any gaming studio really cares about whats its already established fan base (you guys are in a forum called "GT" Planet) has to say is being gullible. They already have you (at least most of you) and their focus as a corporation is to get more of the market share which means new customers.

If you want to prove a point to PD, don't buy their games. Seriously, if you have a problem with this game and I know you do because this thread would not exist otherwise, purchase something else instead.

This is where the trouble comes in (for me at least). What do I buy? I am the kind of guy that "never takes other people's words for it" and I have to try something for myself before I buy it. I have played almost every sim game and as much as I HATE Gran Turismo, I hate the other games more. I get the suspicion that I am not the only one with this problem. Many of my friend play all different sorts of racing titles out there but I've never heard any of them say, "This game is perfect and I am absolutely satisfied in every single way". They always hate something about it but their respective game is the best compromise for them. I think a lot of you here need to go out and try some different things and you might not need to ever pick up a gt title again.

 

[Tornado]

https://www.gtplanet.net/new-gt6-engine-sounds-could-included-in-game-update/
Not impressed.

inb4 someone says they would be happy to pay for better car sound DLC

 

[Raggadish]

inb4 someone says they would be happy to pay for better car sound DLC

15€, I'd imagine alot of the forum goers would pay.




I'm weak, take my money PD...

 

[NOSWaster]

Since when would a modification to the sound engine itself be paid DLC? That would cause chaos online due to mismatches.

 

[Scaff]

I think a lot of you here need to go out and try some different things and you might not need to ever pick up a gt title again.

I think you will find that a number of us already have.

 

[HKS racer]

I'll like to know this too. That's just pure frustration over sounds, right there....

What makes this over generalized consumer base easy to fool?

Why you think I'm talking about you? I didn't say I was talking about TokoTurismo and Downhill Dino, in Italy wa call this feeling "coda di paglia" (straw tail) the english version is "guilty conscience".

 

[Imari]

Why you think I'm talking about you? I didn't say I was talking about TokoTurismo and Downhill Dino, in Italy wa call this feeling "coda di paglia" (straw tail) the english version is "guilty conscience".

Nowhere in what they wrote did they mention themselves. You brought that into it.

You made a simple statement, "GT customers are the easiest to fool in the whole gaming industry". They asked why you think so. Is that so complicated?

 

[qwbufp]

What the heck... Genre: Online Car Life Simulator

http://www.gran-turismo.com/hk/products/gt6/

 

[Zer0]

You may be happy about it, but I certainly know I'm not impressed and at the current pace GT6 is not going to be a day one purchase for me.

I know, you have repeated that many times since GT6 wasn't even presented.

At times I ask me what do you want in GT, it seems that you add new things to the list when others are acomplished. I didn't know the sounds were one of your purchase priorities, instead I remember to read something about suspension and tyres.

I could bet that you will not leave the "versus" threads alone for much time, nor play FM4 forever.