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The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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Flip that logic on its head and ask why there is such a high rate of in-person voting for Trump.
Given Trump's continual whining about mail-in votes, coupled with his downplaying of the pandemic, and this has very likely contributed to a higher rate of in-person voting by Trump's supporters. That would mean that fewer Trump supporters used the option of voting by mail, which in turn translates into Biden getting a larger share of the mail-in vote. Mail-in votes in general are much higher this time around because it is now legal/possible to vote by mail in many states without a special dispensation (i.e. people can simply choose to vote by mail if they want), and also the small fact that there is a pandemic - voting by mail is a safer option, esp. for vulnerable people.
It's kind of ironic, really, that this effect is practically all of Trump's own making. If he had a) handled the pandemic better, b) not downplayed the virus so much, c) encouraged his own supporters to ignore the risks posed by coronavirus and d) encouraged his own support base to vote in person, then we probably wouldn't be seeing this surge in support for Biden as the mail-in votes are counted.
In other words, it is not 'suspicious' at all... in fact, Trump himself has made the phenomenon not only quite easy to explain, he pretty much made it inevitable. It's quite amusing in a way.
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No it’s not, Trump told people not to mail-in, so they haven’t. Biden told people to stay safe and mail-in so they did.
Quite simple and exactly what was expected.
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Do you? I don't think it seems suspicious at all.
I imagine a large number of people who voted for Biden, wanted to cast their vote via mail-in, due to fears of confrontation with Trump supporters at the ballot boxes.
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Also due to the risks of spreading the coronavirus, as the posts above point out.
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I'm not sure how it could have turned out any differently. I understand that there were a lot of disenfranchised voters back in 2016 who saw Trump as an outsider, somebody who, for whatever reason, gave them a voice. They saw him as a brilliant businessman who was going to 'drain the swamp' and charge into Washington and grab it by the throat. But the reality is somewhat different.
Trump never was the brilliant business mogul people believed him to be. He inherited or grifted hundreds of millions of dollars from his father's business, he ran some businesses into the ground, and successfully managed and expanded others. But overall, the picture gradually coming into focus is of a failed, incompetent, angry man, who was thrown a lifeline by the NBC Apprentice show in 2004, right when he was on the verge of personal bankruptcy (and not for the first time).
A significant number of Trump voters thought that they were voting for the man they saw on TV yelling "You're Fired". They thought they were voting for the man who made Ted Cruze squirm during the primary debates. What they didn't realize was that man, was just a persona. An act. They thought they were getting the man they saw on NBC all those years, confidently jet setting around the world. But that man was an actor. A con man. Trump was "playing the role" of a successful businessman on Television. And they bought into it.
In truth, he grew up a spoiled, privileged, out of touch, angry narcissist. But he realized he had a special talent. He capitalized on the success of his Apprentice show and used that success to further his fame and market himself. And he did a brilliant job of it. He endorsed products, endorsed services, started some of his own, failed at many, and borrowed a LOT of money along the way. But somehow, perhaps through years of acting on TV, he found a way to connect with people. And he managed to convince millions of people, that he was "that guy", the guy they saw on TV. And he would be their guy to take it to Washington and turn their lives around. It was the greatest con job of all. And he's still conning many of them.
Like with so many of his failed businesses, he has proved over the last 4 years, that he was completely out of his depth at running the government. We have more unqualified people (those being his friends, family, campaign donors and cronies) than any administration in at least half a century. We have failed trade policies, failed diplomatic policies, failed environmental policies, failed pandemic policies. Don the Con, was like an illiterate ignoramus who managed to convince people to put him in charge of a library. And four years later, instead of at least trying to learn the alphabet, he's still throwing tantrums and exclaiming that he's the most brilliant librarian in history. And some people still believe him.
Fortunately, for the American people, and dare I say it, for the much of the world, the people have spoken. The REAL "silent majority" have spoken. 74,879,654 at current count, but it's still increasing. I wish it was more. But it was enough. It was the sound of thunder. And he's going down. The air is escaping from the balloon and he's falling back down to earth. He'll go out, much like he came in, with a loud, boisterous, festering bang. And lawsuits and drama are sure to follow in the ensuing weeks. But's closing days. And it's only a matter of time. And I can say that I'm relieved. And I'm thankful. And I'm once again, proud to be an American. Proud that somehow, the system worked, where it had failed Germany in 1936.
We're still in the middle of a pandemic. Much of the world is in economic freefall. We have a long uphill climb. But better days are ahead.
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You persist in asking a pretty strange and unlikely hypothetical question, in my humble opinion. But since you persist and are reasonably polite, I will say a few words, all of it my opinion.
As you already know, a cop in America can shoot a suspect resisting arrest - especially if he appears to be armed and threatening. Police officers have some legal immunities not available to most regular citizens. Parts of this longstanding legal arrangement are currently undergoing challenge and change in certain jurisdictions.
Secret Service officers are a different breed of cat. Their number one mission is protect the President, the VP and their families. They receive this protection for life to a varying degree. Even now, Mr Biden is under Secret Service protection. Often a President leaving office will retain some of the same officers that have previously served him. Trump's officers will take no immediate part in protecting Biden, as Biden will already have his own complete staff of officers when he shows up for work.
If and when Biden shows up for work at the White House, it will only be after he is legally elected, all challenges fully resolved, and he has been sworn into office at the Inauguration.
It is 100% inconceivable to me, a complete non sequitur, that Trump and his secret Service officers will barricade themselves into the Oval Office and have a shoot-out with Biden's Secret Service officers.
We all know that Trump is prone to bluster and exaggeration, to put it mildly. It is a great mistake to believe at face value everything last thing he says. That's a rabbit hole that leads to madness. Rational, experienced and knowledgeable people will disregard the twaddle and prefer the facts.
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Just seen on Twitter: I feel like Nevada is taking this long because Kanye West won it and they don't know hot break it to us 
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Makes absolutely zero sense for dems to rig the outcome for Biden to win with mail-in-votes (which can easily be traced back to each individual), but didn't even bother with rigging mail-in-ballots to have a super majority of dems in the House (where they actually lost a good number of seats) and especially ensuring the Senate seats and replacing Mitch Mcconnell who can and will block anything Biden and dems would want to do.
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Add to the fact that Biden voters are probably in general higher educated and more likely to live in a city, with his voters more likely to think effectively and less likely to travel for something you can do by mail or online. Not to mention possibly more likely to avoid places like an election center in these times, regardless of what they are being told to do.
So yeah, not unexpected at all.
Bwhahahahaha that's the best thing I've seen in a good while
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I'm not a fan of his politics approaching money involving his campaign, it does give me a sour taste in the mouth but I do understand he is clearly better then the other option but I'm not blind to his own deeds.
I guess your right on hate being a bit harsh, dislike would be more accurate.
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Trump specifically told his supporters to not vote absentee.
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Trump: "I want that song 'Fortunate Son' playing as I arrive."
Minion #1: "Are you sure, sir?"
Trump: "Yes, I'm sure. I'm a fortunate son, so it works."
[Minion #2 snickers softly in doorway]
Minion #1: "But sir, that's not what the song--"
Trump: "I don't tolerate disloyalty."
Minion #1: "It's not disloyalty, sir. I just think people are going to laugh at y--"
Trump: "You're fired."
...
Trump: "I want that song 'Fortunate Son' playing as I arrive."
Minion #2: "Yes, sir."
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("in hand"? Yeah, no...)
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He's expressing affection physically in a non-sexual way in public! Get the bastard!
Sure, Biden apparently sometimes seems to not quite get boundaries while in full public view (lots of people don't; I can't even begin to count the number of times some PR girl has hugged or continental air-kissed me, without asking) - it looks quite like he's being fatherly to kids who aren't his, which isn't really okay but fits well with the big-government attitude - but how does that inspire hatred? As far as I can tell, he's a relatively normal, old, white guy - with the relative wealth that comes from 40 years working in the higher levels of government - and he borders on the tedious. I can totally get not liking him (I don't), or even disliking him, but hate? Actual hate?
It's like hating tapirs.
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If / when Biden wins, I wouldnt mind betting he gets impeached after investigations into his dodgy dealings with his son Hunter in the Ukraine.
Paving the way for his vice (Harris) to take over the helm.
Paving the way for his vice (Harris) to take over the helm.
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Oh don't even get me started on tapirs; half pig, half panda, half elephant freakshows.
Busy dancing poorly to songs they don't understand.
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*snort*
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