The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[UKMikey]

Somehow I don't think Mickey and Donald are still friends.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pence-attend-biden-inauguration-n1253645

Rep. Peter Meijer: Some Republican representatives felt pressured to try and overturn the results of the PA and AZ votes because they felt their families were in danger if they voted to certify.

https://reason.com/2021/01/08/amash-successor-peter-meijer-trumps-deceptions-are-rankly-unfit/

 

[TheHun99]

In other news, Apple removed Parler and AWS stops hosting it rendering it inaccessible, at least until Parler finds a new hosting partner:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/tech/parler-suspended-apple-app-store/index.html

I also just read on CNN that PA’s GOP senator thinks Trump committed impeachable offenses.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/pat-toomey-trump-impeachable-offenses/index.html

With that he’s maybe the 4th senator who would be willing to convict him but it’s still a big question whether it could actually happen at all. I read opinions that convicting Trump in any way would be counterproductive but I believe that he has to be in some way, shape or form. An example has to be clearly set that such crimes against the democracy, against the very Constitution he took his presidential oath upon cannot go unpunished.

 

[Tornado]

smh first amendment censorship. Now they will need to meet in person anonymously like they did back in the day.



You know.



Klan rallies.












That was pretty fast though. I was just reading about employee groups in Amazon calling for AWS to be pulled this afternoon.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Somehow I don't think Mickey and Donald are still friends.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/pence-attend-biden-inauguration-n1253645

Last I read, Pence was furious. He did get criticized on Twitter for lacking courage.

 

[ToyGTone]

I find the whole situation to be hilarious. Especially from a nation that thrives in multicultural and unity, I can't believe people are killing each other over slightly different political opinions or slight skin tone. I believe this would end soon anyways and people would move so that's good.

Unfortunately, it seems that innocent people are now tasting their own medicines.

 

[Keef]

That was pretty fast though. I was just reading about employee groups in Amazon calling for AWS to be pulled this afternoon.

Only 2.5 more hours until Parler is kicked from AWS. I wonder if that was enough time to migrate all their data.

 

[Grayfox]

I was wondering if the server host would shut Parler down.

Heck even if someone was using their home broadband and they had enough bandwidth once the ISP caught wind they would shut it the service to the customer.

 

[Baka_Marimo]

I find the whole situation to be hilarious. Especially from a nation that thrives in multicultural and unity, I can't believe people are killing each other over slightly different political opinions or slight skin tone. I believe this would end soon anyways and people would move so that's good.

Unfortunately, it seems that innocent people are now tasting their own medicines.

Remember that we are a species that has organized its social coexistence in a way that gets individuals upset when machines liberate them from the duty of work. We are simply too stuck being the way we are for any meaningful change.

 

[ToyGTone]

Remember that we are a species that has organized its social coexistence in a way that gets individuals upset when machines liberate them from the duty of work. We are simply too stuck being the way we are for any meaningful change.

I dunno man, everyone is literally wanting to brutally murder me because they think I'm a "threat" to society. I believed for a while that it's me that's the problem and that I deserve all the misery for being born that way. I realize the problem wasn't me but everyone else. Suddenly I realize that people elsewhere aren't much different than us and that people in general are just interested in money, fame and power. People have to fit in to be accepted to society, to be seen as "normal". They would anything to just gain advantage over others. Morals are just made up mess that keeps changing and constantly bend up with every passing of the minute.

Seeing what have happened in the states in 2020 and 2021 reminded me of same things that happened all over the world before, during and after. I thought that grass is always greener on the other side until I discovered it was not. I discovered hypocrisy, double standards, irony and sad reality that day. I found out that all the so called freedom, democracy and progression to be nothing but lies. That only people with power matters. That both sides of political spectrum are the same. Pretty much most of conflicts in the world are caused by outsiders, for their own gains. What happened there in Minnesota and Washington is no different from what happened to our eastern cousins in certain Asian nation's or our European friends or our middle eastern neighbors.

I learned that I have not much choice in live. I just don't have much will to live. I'm dead sooner or later. If working for 50 years, barely affording to pay my bills and treated like a slave while being framed for things that's either made up or distorted by governments and corporations around the world is like the way of life then I rather not have even existed in the first place.

When people life's are worth less than some tech business then maybe I'm not the problem here or any of you for the matter.

 

[eran0004]

I read opinions that convicting Trump in any way would be counterproductive but I believe that he has to be in some way, shape or form. An example has to be clearly set that such crimes against the democracy, against the very Constitution he took his presidential oath upon cannot go unpunished.

I don’t think the senate would convict him, so for that reason I’m against impeachment. He doesn’t deserve to end his presidency as a winner.

If enough senators change their minds in the coming days, then I’d say go for it.

 

[PocketZeven]

Still baffles me that Trump got so many votes...

 

[Samus]

Still baffles me that Trump got so many votes...

It didn't surprise me per se that he still got votes, we knew that they weren't going to just disappear, it's happening across the world. What did surprise me is that his net vote went up. As in, more people bought into it in the four years than those that decided they had enough. Not just a few more either, around 11 million more.

Thankfully there was JUST enough voters on the other side that came out to counter it. That's the scary thing. Overall the EC winning margin might have been pretty big in the end but they were only ~150,000 votes in swing states away from him winning.

 

[Famine]

Still baffles me that Trump got so many votes...

It didn't surprise me per se that he still got votes, we knew that they weren't going to just disappear, it's happening across the world. What did surprise me is that his net vote went up. As in, more people bought into it in the four years than those that decided they had enough. Not just a few more either, around 11 million more.

Thankfully there was JUST enough voters on the other side that came out to counter it. That's the scary thing. Overall the EC winning margin might have been pretty big in the end but they were only ~150,000 votes in swing states away from him winning.

We know two salient facts here:

* The entire Trump campaign, since 2015, has been about projection; literally everything they have accused other people of doing, they have done themselves (usually before they've accused other people of doing it).
* The only known cases of voter fraud in 2020 thus far cast illegitimate votes for Trump

You can be almost certain that the Trump campaign has, along with all the attempts at voter suppression to limit the Democrat vote, at least tried to do all the things they say the Democrats have done to rig the election with fake Republican votes - although as far as we know, it failed.

 

[Liquid]

7 minutes but well worth watching.

 

[Scaff]

Never thought about this fallout from the 6th.

 

[EngieDiesel]

Never thought about this fallout from the 6th.

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I can imagine this still being a massive headache back in the Cold War days, when bugging a building required designing some costly device that had to be manually retrieved to get the data out of it. These days, when miniature cameras and microphones are on the consumer market and designed to work over wi-fi without the need for operator intervention? They may as well start making plans to gut the whole building.

 

[Danoff]

Never thought about this fallout from the 6th.

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Yea I think it would cost signiicantly more to break things down and search them for bugs than it would be to replace most of them. This technique is used in meth cases too. When your house is contaminated with meth, the test (for each individual shirt, or pair of socks) costs at least $100. Which means right out of the gate, anything worth less than $100 in the house is garbage.

I'd assume thousands for most devices in the capitol, which means basically anything electronic is garbage. Hopefully, hopefully, this reinforces the notion that something like this can never again be permitted. And it just highlights yet again the level of disregard for the country that these morons seem to have.

 

[ryzno]

Probably about time for them to upgrade. I heard some months ago some of their systems still use Windows 7 and XP.

 

[Blitz24]

Yea I think it would cost signiicantly more to break things down and search them for bugs than it would be to replace most of them. This technique is used in meth cases too. When your house is contaminated with meth, the test (for each individual shirt, or pair of socks) costs at least $100. Which means right out of the gate, anything worth less than $100 in the house is garbage.

I'd assume thousands for most devices in the capitol, which means basically anything electronic is garbage. Hopefully, hopefully, this reinforces the notion that something like this can never again be permitted. And it just highlights yet again the level of disregard for the country that these morons seem to have.

Which morons? The ones running the country potentially too complacent or the rioters? My answer is yes, but....

 

[EngieDiesel]

Probably about time for them to upgrade. I heard some months ago some of their systems still use Windows 7 and XP.

This is largely because the legacy systems in question can't be replaced, since they're either hooked into a critical system that can't be shut down for the length of time needed to upgrade, or the software was written many years ago by fly-by-night code cowboys who gave no thought to upscaling and thus it can't be replaced, because it won't run on anything but that specific version of that specific OS.

It's not a problem that's exclusive to government either, quite a few major corporations and factories around the world deal with this as well. Most of the global banking system still runs on systems programmed in COBOL, a language that dates back to the 1970's and is extremely hard to find competent programmers in anymore.

 

[Scaff]

This is largely because the legacy systems in question can't be replaced, since they're either hooked into a critical system that can't be shut down for the length of time needed to upgrade, or the software was written many years ago by fly-by-night code cowboys who gave no thought to upscaling and thus it can't be replaced, because it won't run on anything but that specific version of that specific OS.

It's not a problem that's exclusive to government either, quite a few major corporations and factories around the world deal with this as well. Most of the global banking system still runs on systems programmed in COBOL, a language that dates back to the 1970's and is extremely hard to find competent programmers in anymore.

Up until 2019 US nuclear weapons system still ran on systems requiring 8” floppy discs, something a good number of members here may never of actually seen in person.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html

 

[EngieDiesel]

Up until 2019 US nuclear weapons system still ran on systems requiring 8” floppy discs, something a good number of members here may never of actually seen in person.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/24/us/nuclear-weapons-floppy-disks.html

And ironically, as the article points out, that actually made it incredibly secure since there was no way to access it externally. Though I get why they had to transition, since I think there's only one place left in the entire world that still manufactures floppy disks, and magnetic media in general is getting to be way more expensive than even a mid-range SSD would be.

 

[Blitz24]

And ironically, as the article points out, that actually made it incredibly secure since there was no way to access it externally. Though I get why they had to transition, since I think there's only one place left in the entire world that still manufactures floppy disks, and magnetic media in general is getting to be way more expensive than even a mid-range SSD would be.

It does make it incredibly secure. If you make the machine have no internet access (darn it, can't order GrubHub prior to launching), even better.

 

[Keef]

Hopefully, hopefully, this reinforces the notion that something like this can never again be permitted.

That word "permitted" says a lot. Not only was it permitted, it seems to have been facilitated, which makes me wonder how many years it will be until it's publicly known how deep this mess really is.

 

[Populuxe]

I remember back in the mid-'80s when I was in the Air Force stationed in Mississippi, the munitions inventory system we used was a Univac using punch cards. Progress doesn't come quickly to the military.

 

[PocketZeven]

It didn't surprise me per se that he still got votes, we knew that they weren't going to just disappear, it's happening across the world. What did surprise me is that his net vote went up. As in, more people bought into it in the four years than those that decided they had enough. Not just a few more either, around 11 million more.

Thankfully there was JUST enough voters on the other side that came out to counter it. That's the scary thing. Overall the EC winning margin might have been pretty big in the end but they were only ~150,000 votes in swing states away from him winning.

it isn’t necessarily the net votes, but how close the differences (popular vote) are. The current culture of misinformation/fake news worries me a lot. Now with deep fakes and other digital manipulation it is only going to get worse.

 

[Blitz24]

it isn’t necessarily the net votes, but how close the differences (popular vote) are. The current culture of misinformation/fake news worries me a lot. Now with deep fakes and other digital manipulation it is only going to get worse.

And because the Legislative branch (mostly the Republicans) are afraid of his base, they will do nothing to make sure he can't be a power again.

 

[Dotini]

And because the Legislative branch (mostly the Republicans) are afraid of his base, they will do nothing to make sure he can't be a power again.

IMHO, the power of Trump resides not in the person, which tomorrow could keel over and go away, but in the ideas and emotions that are unleashed and in the wind. Fortunately, these movements are cyclical, like brushfires, and die out in time. The US has a long history of popular movements.

The Know Nothings

• The Greenback Party

• The Populist Party

• William Jennings Bryan

• Huey Long

• Father Coughlin

• George Wallace

• Conservative Populism

• The Tea Party

• Occupy Wall Street

• Bernie Sanders

• Donald Trump

• Sources

Populism is a style of politics used to mobilize mass movements against ruling powers. Populists claim to speak for ordinary people, taking an "us versus them" stance. Its leaders have used rhetoric that stirs up anger, floated conspiracy theories, pushed the distrust of experts, promoted nationalism and demonized outsiders. Populism has become a recurring political theme in American politics and has inspired political reform, but has also been used to direct the hostilities of angry citizens to straw men. Below is a timeline of notable populist movements throughout U.S. history.
https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/populism-united-states-timeline

https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/populism-united-states-timeline

 

[Populuxe]

This is officer Eugene Goodman of the Capital Police. He was filmed trying to single-handedly stop the white mob from getting to the Senate. He kept goading the mob, then backing up a flight of stairs, goading them again, and backing up again. This is the important moment right here.

Many Senators were still in the chamber. By goading the mob to follow him in the wrong direction, he gave the Senators the extra time necessary to get to safety. It is no exaggeration to say he saved many lives that day.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Many Senators were still in the chamber. By goading the mob to follow him in the wrong direction, he gave the Senators the extra time necessary to get to safety. It is no exaggeration to say he saved many lives that day.

He's a genuinely good man.