The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[UKMikey]

Meanwhile Trump has even added Giuliani to his 🤬 list of "betrayers" if reports are true. How statesmanlike does that sound?

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/penc...-trump-now-reportedly-feels-have-betrayed-him

https://fusion.inquirer.com/politics/nation/trump-aides-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-20210114.html

 

[CTznOfTime]

Looking at the trump election campaign and trump administration this past 4 years...

I can see a common thread throughout...

Starting with trump and going through a full circle with the far right media/medium/TV/Radio/personalities/GOP and other influencers doing this:

Whatever they are doing, or are trying to do, they would automatically and preemptively accuse the other camp/opposition/left to be doing so the trump supporters would believe the bad guys are the Dems...

Which can be explained by this passage:

"Gordon, who appeared alongside handmade “Catholics for Trump” signs, warned of an impending “color revolution” against Trump, parroting a theory most commonly associated with authoritarian regimes like Vladimir Putin’s Russia and Xi Jinping’s China. “The term color revolution was coined in the early aughts to describe four political revolutions in post-Communist Europe and Central Asia, in which repressive regimes tried to hold on to power after losing an election,” Thomas Wright, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, explained in The Atlantic in September."

From this article:
https://www.bayoubrief.com/2020/11/...elped-the-trump-campaign-manufacture-outrage/

This is typically the method bullies employ to preemptively victimize themselves...

Twisted psychology... The Far Right is the DEEP FAKE...


No wonder trump supporters are not able to understand anything, and it is just simpler for them to take literally what trump says to the letter.

 

[Grayfox]

Does a candidate have to be nominated by a party to become POTUS?

If Trump Jr wants to run for POTUS
We know the democrats wont want him.
The republicans, might not want another trump

Will they have to run as independent or can they run as what ever party they want.

 

[Samus]

The republicans, might not want another trump

They definitely would if they think it's their best way to power. The only reason a few of them are claiming to not want Trump now is because he's going anyway. They've been complicit and content the rest of his 4 years.

 

[Liquid]

Death Star PR has been one of the best Twitter accounts over the past 4 years.

 

[Blitz24]

Death Star PR has been one of the best Twitter accounts over the past 4 years.

What would "Stop The Steal" be for them?

 

[Liquid]

What would "Stop The Steal" be for them?

This is about as close as you can get, I think.

 

[McLaren]

Does a candidate have to be nominated by a party to become POTUS?

If Trump Jr wants to run for POTUS
We know the democrats wont want him.
The republicans, might not want another trump

Will they have to run as independent or can they run as what ever party they want.

I would assume he'd have to be marked as a 3rd party/Independent once both parties have selected their primary candidates.

I imagine trying otherwise is against election rules, otherwise, become a target for the Dems/Repubs to just completely tarnish your reputation for attempting to steal their votes.

 

[Pupik]

Certified satire-free.

Jake "QAnon Shaman" Angeli (real name Jacob Anthony Chansley), the dip**** with the horns in the Capitol raid, refuses to eat food provided while in US Marshall custody unless that food is organic because, per the 33-year-old's mommy, food that isn't organic gives him a tummy ache.

Complaining about food is a very common tactic by the incarcerated because they get to 1) draw attention to themselves 2) expose a rift in the system 3) media eats it up [no, not the food] 4) temporarily escape the dread and boredom of being imprisoned. So it's not unexpected he's trying this tactic.

He'll be complaining next week that his issued toothbrush has two less bristles than the previous week, or that the thread count of his towel was noticeably less impressive than the day before. Slight exaggerations, but there's all sorts of little things prisoners get to waste legal resources on.

 

[killerjimbag]

There was no election fraud?
Can someone explain this. I'm sure it only happened in one State. So when is Project Veritas banned from the internet?
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...rested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0

 

[Danoff]

There was no election fraud?
Can someone explain this. I'm sure it only happened in one State. So when is Project Veritas banned from the internet?
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...rested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0

How many votes did she successfully manage to fraudulently cast?

 

[Joey D]

There was no election fraud?
Can someone explain this.
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...rested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0

There's voter fraud in any election and those who commit it are typically found out, arrested, and charged with a felony. There wasn't rampant fraud that Trump suggests though, there was just the same amount of fraud we see every election, which in the grand scheme of things is pretty low. There have been several investigations and if there was some grand plot to steal the election from Trump, it would've been found out. Also, if the Democrats were truly going to steal the election, they'd done a better job at making sure they secured the Senate and blocked idiotic right-winger QAnon supporters from the House.

 

[Famine]

There was no election fraud?

There was definitely election fraud; there always is.

 

[Danoff]

There was no election fraud?
Can someone explain this. I'm sure it only happened in one State. So when is Project Veritas banned from the internet?
https://www.texasattorneygeneral.go...rested-widespread-vote-harvesting-and-fraud-0

I mean, these guys tried to cast fake votes too:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ver-truck-full-of-fake-votes/?sh=798248bc38fc

But... they didn't succeed.

 

[UKMikey]

He'll be complaining next week that his issued toothbrush has two less bristles than the previous week, or that the thread count of his towel was noticeably less impressive than the day before. Slight exaggerations, but there's all sorts of little things prisoners get to waste legal resources on.

The guy in the bunk above him is going to complain that the buffalo horns are poking his back through the mattress when Angeli gets up for a pee.

There's voter fraud in any election and those who commit it are typically found out, arrested, and charged with a felony. There wasn't rampant fraud that Trump suggests though, there was just the same amount of fraud we see every election, which in the grand scheme of things is pretty low. There have been several investigations and if there was some grand plot to steal the election from Trump, it would've been found out. Also, if the Democrats were truly going to steal the election, they'd done a better job at making sure they secured the Senate and blocked idiotic right-winger QAnon supporters from the House.

 

[Famine]

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Bit of a gross simplification. There's no mention of the part where the guy who gave nonces a free pass stood up and defended Trump by saying that Chuck Yeager flew supersonic 44 years after the Wright Brothers' first flight, and the USA landed a man on the Moon, because the USA is a great nation and the people who did that should lead the country.

No, that actually happened.

 

[killerjimbag]

There was definitely election fraud; there always is.

So does that not throw the election into doubt then? You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud? But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it. Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

 

[CTznOfTime]

I mean, these guys tried to cast fake votes too:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ver-truck-full-of-fake-votes/?sh=798248bc38fc

But... they didn't succeed.

like i said elsewhere, that is a recurring theme and technique used by the trump admin/GOP/right wing proponents and repeated in echo chambers by republican media and simpletons... They are always preemptively accusing others of doing what they themselves intent to do, are doing or have done before... Projectionism, is what the right are really good at, sadly and unfortunately... AND IT seems that's all they know to do...



This above video is a perfect example of "Deep Fake"

 

[Pigems]

So does that not throw the election into doubt then? You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud? But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it. Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

There is always fraud, but it’s never enough to change the outcome. Therefore, it is not relevant to overturning the election.

 

[UKMikey]

This is epic whataboutism, Gym.

 

[TexRex]

So does that not throw the election into doubt then? You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud? But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it. Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

Missing that outrage thread, eh?

 

[Joey D]

So does that not throw the election into doubt then? You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud? But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it. Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

No, it doesn't throw the election into doubt unless you want to say that every election ever held in the US is in doubt. You're never going to have a 100% fraudulent free election in any country. There's always going to be a subset of people who will try to game the system, and of those people, they'll get away with it. Most people won't though.

The point is, there wasn't any evidence of widespread voter fraud that would've changed the outcome of the election.

 

[Scaff]

So does that not throw the election into doubt then?

No.

You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud?

It wasn't won by cheating, the people so far caught cheating in Nov election cheated for the losing side, they cheated to bump Trump's vote count.

But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it.

Yes (well with the obvious exception of Trump - buts he's made 99.99992% of it up).

Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

Because it's so small that it has no impact on the outcome, and is almost always found, those who did it charged and prosecuted. You don't throw out democracy because a tiny amount of people try and cheat the system, you make the system so robust that you catch them and make sure the numbers involved are so small as to have no meaningful bearing on the outcome.

"In April 2020, a voter fraud study covering 20 years by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology found the level of fraud "exceedingly rare" since it occurs only in "0.00006 percent" of instances nationally, and, in one state, "0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States.""
https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

0.00006% is not going to change the outcome of anything, but you want to use it as a reason to toss out democracy!

 

[Famine]

So does that not throw the election into doubt then?

Not automatically, no. It depends on the scale.

You know that the election was fraudulently won by cheating,because there always is election fraud?

Not at all. If the election is won by more votes than the amount of ballots fraudulently cast for the winning party, it is not won by cheating.

For instance the most recent US Presidential Election was won by Joe Biden by seven million votes (well, actually it was won by 74 Electoral College votes, because the USA uses representative democracy). The number of known, fraudulently cast ballots is four. Not four million, four. All cast for the losing party.

That doesn't even come close to winning by cheating.

But the people that were cheated (fraud) can just accept it.

Not even slightly. Election fraud is, as with any other crime, investigated and the perpetrators charged. That's how we know about those four illegal votes I mentioned.

Ok then why have a democratic process of elections when fraud is known to happen?

That's an incredibly bizarre question.

Election fraud - and indeed any other kind of fraud - is a thing that exists. It doesn't invalidate the election process. Rape is a thing that exists too. Rape doesn't invalidate having a girlfriend/boyfriend (or partner, fiance/fiancee, spouse).

 

[killerjimbag]

There is always fraud, but it’s never enough to change the outcome. Therefore, it is not relevant to overturning the election.

If there is fraud which everyone seems to admit. Does it not give one side a distinct advantage and the other a distinct disadvantage? Does that not bother 75 million voters or you or I ? Were the votes fraudulent for the winning side? It puts the whole process of Democrocy in the garbage can. Call it what you want. The Democratic process is a fraud.

 

[Blitz24]

If there is fraud which everyone seems to admit. Does it not give one side a distinct advantage and the other a distinct disadvantage? Does that not bother 75 million voters? Were the votes fraudulent for the winning side? It puts the whole process of Democrocy in the garbage can. Call it what you want. The Democratic process is a fraud.

So what is the option other than this? Should we go back to a monarchy where nobody aside from royalty gets a voice? The Democratic process is not perfect but many other options are inherently worse.

 

[Samus]

If there is fraud which everyone seems to admit. Does it not give one side a distinct advantage and the other a distinct disadvantage? Does that not bother 75 million voters? Were the votes fraudulent for the winning side? It puts the whole process of Democrocy in the garbage can. Call it what you want. The Democratic process is a fraud.

Are you just ignoring what everyone is saying? Fraud happens in small numbers. If a winning margin is 20,000 and 10 of them are found to be fraudulent, nothing has changed but the winning margin.

That has been the whole point of this drawn out process. Nobody has ever said fraud doesn't happen, they've said it doesn't happen on the scale Trump has been alleging and constantly failing to prove.

 

[TexRex]

Are you just ignoring what everyone is saying?

Yes. That's what he does. Consistently.

 

[Biggles]

If there is fraud which everyone seems to admit. Does it not give one side a distinct advantage and the other a distinct disadvantage? Does that not bother 75 million voters or you or I ? Were the votes fraudulent for the winning side? It puts the whole process of Democrocy in the garbage can. Call it what you want. The Democratic process is a fraud.

Try reading the above posts, which explain very clearly why your argument is ridiculous.

 

[Scaff]

If there is fraud which everyone seems to admit. Does it not give one side a distinct advantage and the other a distinct disadvantage? Does that not bother 75 million voters or you or I ? Were the votes fraudulent for the winning side? It puts the whole process of Democrocy in the garbage can. Call it what you want. The Democratic process is a fraud.

Not at all, as has been explained to you and ignored by you.

If 99.99994% of the votes are real and only 0.00006% fraudulent, then no it doesn't make the process a fraud, quite the opposite, it makes it amazingly robust and trustworthy.