The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[Danoff]

Sorry for the delay replying. Yesterday wasnt a good day and and I was quite piqued. I didn't I that to seep into the discussion here. In a much better mood this morning so back to it.

Ok, this is my final bout on the topic. The thread has moved onand I'll move on. But let me say this. Class warfare is being waged. Hard. And the middle class is losing. Crony capitalism is class warfare. Wealth people, wealthy corporations are buying politicians to sway policies and affect laws. our country is becoming more of an oligarchy every day. This is class warfare have no doubt. As I stated, i do believe there are a few exception, but while lobbying still exists, while corporations sway taxes laws in a way that allows them to circumvent them, while tax brackets aren't affected by inflation and payroll taxes are heavily skewed towards the lower and middle class, while the workers are working and the fat cats are doled the cream, you can bet your ass I am more than happy to wade into class warfare as well. I am a humanist, not a pacifist, I am more than happy to fight the fight.

Who are you fighting? Are you sure they're your enemy? We started this discussion because you said this:

More and more as the election cycle progresses he is proving himself to he as pompous, pampered and clueless as I expect any multi billionaire to be.

...and you're still doing it - assuming that wealth makes a person worth fighting. Stick with the substance, and ditch the presumptions about wealth. You think crony capitalism is required behavior for a wealthy person? How about lobbying? How about perpetuating inflation? None of that comes from wealth.

Stop seeing labels and see people.

 

[Dotini]

Thanks to his big win in Nevada, Bernie is now leading the race for the Democratic nomination. IMHO a major downturn in the US national economy could result in his election over Trump in November. Such a downturn could result from supply problems in China and other regions resulting from spreading coronavirus.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Thanks to his big win in Nevada, Bernie is now leading the race for the Democratic nomination. IMHO a major downturn in the US national economy could result in his election over Trump in November. Such a downturn could result from supply problems in China and other regions resulting from spreading coronavirus.

Wait. You just said Bernie's election over trump could cause a "major turndown in the US national economy" and then immediately afterwards said that same downturn would be the result of coronavirus.

Dotini.exe has stopped working

Edit: I read your post wrong. I apologize.

 

[mustafur]

I think regardless an Economic downturn is coming(Not just limited to the US), the big question is if it will happen before the election or after.

 

[mustafur]

Did Buttigieg just come out against the Civil rights movement in the 60s?

 

[Danoff]

Did Buttigieg just come out against the Civil rights movement in the 60s?
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I agree with him. We need to move forward, not backward.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I don't think I've ever had a more difficult decision for voting. Unlike previous years, California is absolutely a pivotal player in this primary. I could live with a Bernie Sanders presidency...mostly because I think he wouldn't get much done but I trust he would act in good faith. I would certainly vote for him in the GE. However, I do not think he can beat Trump, so that point is almost mute. Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Biden, I believe, can beat Trump...though I don't think its a slam dunk for any of them. But the fact that they are all still in the race means that its tough to say who I should vote for. Maybe South Carolina will provide a more clear roadmap...but I have my doubts. All of them would likely be totally average Presidents...but I'm far more interested in stability than uncertainty right now. Its tough.

Regardless...it sure seems like 4 more years (at least ) of DJT.

 

[Danoff]

I don't think I've ever had a more difficult decision for voting. Unlike previous years, California is absolutely a pivotal player in this primary. I could live with a Bernie Sanders presidency...mostly because I think he wouldn't get much done but I trust he would act in good faith. I would certainly vote for him in the GE. However, I do not think he can beat Trump, so that point is almost mute. Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Biden, I believe, can beat Trump...though I don't think its a slam dunk for any of them. But the fact that they are all still in the race means that its tough to say who I should vote for. Maybe South Carolina will provide a more clear roadmap...but I have my doubts. All of them would likely be totally average Presidents...but I'm far more interested in stability than uncertainty right now. Its tough.

Regardless...it sure seems like 4 more years (at least ) of DJT.

Stop trying to play games and vote for the person you think is the best. Obviously Pete.

 

[Biggles]

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Stop trying to play games and vote for the person you think is the best. Obviously Pete.

From what I've seen of the (endless) debates & "town halls" Buttigieg is easily the most articulate, intelligent-sounding & composed of the Democratic candidates. That's why he is doing so surprisingly well. He's obviously young, short on experience & lacking "gravitas". Biden, on the other hand, has lots of experience & that "senatorial" gravitas ... but intelligent-sounding & articulate are not his strong suits.

Bloomberg would be the obvious "centrist" candidate & might be good for a divided country, but I don't see him making much ground in the primaries in the present political climate. He's been terrible in the debates, which makes it seem like he would be very vulnerable to attacks from Trump & his proxies if he became the nominee.

Warren's attacks on Bloomberg have been oddly shrill in the last couple of debates. I don't really see the point, as attacking Bloomberg doesn't really help her position & has started to make her sound like a fringe candidate as Bernie consolidates his position as the progressive front-runner.

Steyer's my favourite billionaire running. I think he would be a better candidate than Bloomberg to run against Trump. I think he could make Trump very uncomfortable in a campaign & debate match-up, as he's not too old, too young, too senile, too gay, too short, too socialist, a woman, "low energy" or a "loser", but I think he's not well-known enough to carry enough support through the primaries, even with the ability to spend his own money in campaigning.

 

[Dotini]

I can say, after consideration, Tom Steyer is my preferred c


From what I've seen of the (endless) debates & "town halls" Buttigieg is easily the most articulate, intelligent-sounding & composed of the Democratic candidates. That's why he is doing so surprisingly well. He's obviously young, short on experience & lacking "gravitas". Biden, on the other hand, has lots of experience & that "senatorial" gravitas ... but intelligent-sounding & articulate are not his strong suits.

Bloomberg would be the obvious "centrist" candidate & might be good for a divided country, but I don't see him making much ground in the primaries in the present political climate. He's been terrible in the debates, which makes it seem like he would be very vulnerable to attacks from Trump & his proxies if he became the nominee.

Warren's attacks on Bloomberg have been oddly shrill in the last couple of debates. I don't really see the point, as attacking Bloomberg doesn't really help her position & has started to make her sound like a fringe candidate as Bernie consolidates his position as the progressive front-runner.

Steyer's my favourite billionaire running. I think he would be a better candidate than Bloomberg to run against Trump. I think he could make Trump very uncomfortable in a campaign & debate match-up, as he's not too old, too young, too senile, too gay, too short, too socialist, a woman, "low energy" or a "loser", but I think he's not well-known enough to carry enough support through the primaries, even with the ability to spend his own money in campaigning.

Poor Pete Buttigieg is sick with flu symptoms and has cancelled all campaign appearances.

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/...es-co-host-with-rsquo200-pigs-in-blanketrsquo

“We heard he was [debating] last night with a fever and possibly coming down with the flu,” said attorney Bill Bone, who was scheduled to host the Palm Beach fundraiser at his home on the island. “He called my co-host personally today and was very apologetic and very sorry.”

 

[Biggles]

So, Biden has won a decisive victory in South Carolina. Tom Steyer has announced he's dropping out of the race. Could this be a turning point for Biden's run ... or just a temporary blip? It's possible that it could make a significant difference to Biden's prospects on Super Tuesday & that he could garner enough votes/delegates to emerge as the moderate front runner, which might lead to Bloomberg & Klobucher dropping out (I think Buttigieg was stay in for longer as he has a lot to gain personally by remaining on the national stage for longer).

The end result might be a repeat of the Clinton/Sanders showdown with Biden/Sanders. Or not. Biden might fail to carry his SC success into Tuesday's primaries.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Super Tuesday is going to be a fun night to watch. Will the moderates be able to beat off the communist hordes?

 

[eran0004]

Super Tuesday is going to be a fun night to watch. Will the moderates be able to beat off the communist hordes?

Quit comparing Trump to Hitler, and his supporters as Nazis.

You’re sending some mixed messages.

 

[Imari]

Super Tuesday is going to be a fun night to watch. Will the moderates be able to beat off the communist hordes?

Glad to see the Red Scare is alive and well.

 

[Biggles]

Super Tuesday is going to be a fun night to watch. Will the moderates be able to beat off the communist hordes?

They're ALL communists.

 

[PocketZeven]

Super Tuesday is going to be a fun night to watch. Will the moderates be able to beat off the communist hordes?

Good thing you have something to watch and distract you from your dictator in Chief!

 

[Joey D]

Beat off communist hordes?

 

[PocketZeven]

Beat off communist hordes?

 

[Keef]

Talk about expanding social services, jeez.

EDIT: So what I gather from NYT's demographics maps of the SC vote, there doesn't seem to be any significant factor separating Biden from Bernie. Biden had large margins among all segments. I've read elsewhere that Biden basically flooded SC with advertisement and campaigning while ignoring other areas...did that make all the difference? All demographics seem to have supported him largely so were they simply flooded by his message?

Bernie *still* has the highest delegate count though and I have a feeling Tuesday is going to be a whopper for him.

 

[Dotini]

Scenario#1: Bernie meets his Waterloo on Tuesday. Biden+Bloomberg$+neolib stragglers deny Sanders any possibility of nomination on 1st ballot. Superdelegates dictate establishment nomination on 2nd ballot. Furious Bernie populists vote Trump, who wins reelection.

Scenario#2: Bernie does not meet his Waterloo on Tuesday, and US economy collapses into recession/depression due to economic inactivity caused by coronavirus epidemic. Trump is blamed and loses reelection to Bernie.

 

[mustafur]

Bernie is leading the polls in nearly every Super Tuesday state and has big leads in California and Texas, I heard that Biden didn't even campaign in a single Super Tuesday state for over a month, so i'm assuming he is banking everything on SC giving him a boost, but with early voting and a small window between the two I'm unsure it will provide anything.

If the 2nd Ballot changes the Result via Super Delegates I'm almost certain Trump will win, it would be suicide for the Democrats.

 

[Biggles]

Scenario#1: Bernie meets his Waterloo on Tuesday. Biden+Bloomberg$+neolib stragglers deny Sanders any possibility of nomination on 1st ballot. Superdelegates dictate establishment nomination on 2nd ballot. Furious Bernie populists vote Trump, who wins reelection.

Scenario#2: Bernie does not meet his Waterloo on Tuesday, and US economy collapses into recession/depression due to economic inactivity caused by coronavirus epidemic. Trump is blamed and loses reelection to Bernie.

There are a lot more potential scenarios than those two.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Pete Buttigieg is out.

 

[mustafur]

Pete Buttigieg is out.

I sense a Biden or Bloomberg Deal.

 

[Dotini]

There are a lot more potential scenarios than those two.

Of course! Take a shot.

 

[Biggles]

Of course! Take a shot.

Buttigieg quits, Bloomberg quits, Klobuchar quits. Biden picks up endorsements from them & consolidates the moderate vote. Biden makes a deal with Warren for VP & picks up her support. Sanders doesn't end up with a majority. Anything's possible. Obviously, the dilemma for Democrats is whether to risk alienating young Sanders supporters by going with a moderate, or risk alienating moderates & independents by going with Sanders.

Biden's a boring choice ... but boring would be a relief after the last 4 years. Stick a President in who's more of a figurehead & gather young up & comers like Buttigieg, Yang into the administration. Marianne Williamson to head the Prayer Breakfasts would be awesome. Retire Joe after a single term.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

I sense strongly that we're going to see a Biden/Buttigieg ticket very shortly.

Buttigieg quits, Bloomberg quits, Klobuchar quits. Biden picks up endorsements from them & consolidates the moderate vote. Biden makes a deal with Warren for VP & picks up her support. Sanders doesn't end up with a majority. Anything's possible. Obviously, the dilemma for Democrats is whether to risk alienating young Sanders supporters by going with a moderate, or risk alienating moderates & independents by going with Sanders.

Biden's a boring choice ... but boring would be a relief after the last 4 years. Stick a President in who's more of a figurehead & gather young up & comers like Buttigieg, Yang into the administration. Marianne Williamson to head the Prayer Breakfasts would be awesome. Retire Joe after a single term.

I can actually see this "The Team" strategy working. Just consolidate everyone into the fold. A single unified front against Donald Trump

 

[Jezza819]

Buttigieg quits, Bloomberg quits, Klobuchar quits. Biden picks up endorsements from them & consolidates the moderate vote. Biden makes a deal with Warren for VP & picks up her support. Sanders doesn't end up with a majority. Anything's possible. Obviously, the dilemma for Democrats is whether to risk alienating young Sanders supporters by going with a moderate, or risk alienating moderates & independents by going with Sanders.

Biden's a boring choice ... but boring would be a relief after the last 4 years. Stick a President in who's more of a figurehead & gather young up & comers like Buttigieg, Yang into the administration. Marianne Williamson to head the Prayer Breakfasts would be awesome. Retire Joe after a single term.

I could live with that scenario. I'll vote for whoever it is in the end but as moderate leaning Democrat I would rather see a Klobuchar, or Biden, or even Bloomberg get it just as long as they beat Trump. I just hope that the far left sector of the party can see that defeating Trump is the big picture here not getting their particular candidate the nomination even though they might not be electable across the country.

My one worry if Trump were to lose this year, is that in 2024 he runs again. Because you know any other Republicans would not dare seek the nomination until Trump definitely says he's not running again and given the enormity of his ego, there's no way he wouldn't. But I'm assuming you can still do that (Grover Cleveland).

 

[Touring Mars]

Apropos the conflation of two separate headlines, the BBC and other news outlets appear to do this a lot for the sake of brevity/character limits, but it often results in stuff like this:

Boris Johnson to chair COBRA meeting, UK troops back in front line of war on terror, Pete Buttigieg drops out

I always knew Buttigieg would be soft on terrorists.

 

[Joey D]

I don't know what a CORBA meeting is but it's either a secret organization that's out to take over the world or Boris Johnson is in a room full of snakes.