The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[mustafur]

With that statement I guess you are just saying that as bad as Trump is in 2016 the Democrats managed to put up an even worse candidate in 2016 since Trump is in the oval office and Hillary is sitting at home still bitter about her defeat.

You were talking about debates, and I compared it.

 

[Biggles]

The description of the debate I heard:

"Bloomberg brought a wallet to a knife fight".

 

[Joey D]

The description of the debate I heard:

"Bloomberg brought a wallet to a knife fight".

This is accurate. I only watched some highlights but all I could think of was that Simpsons meme where the kid is crying and saying "Stop. Stop. He's already dead."

 

[Keef]

The description of the debate I heard:

"Bloomberg brought a wallet to a knife fight".

To shreds, you say?

The only Democrat that could come close to drawing this kind of crowd is Bernie Sanders. The DNC is working hard to prevent him from getting the nomination.

Lately he's been drawing crowds of 10, 11, 12k, which by itself isn't anything special but images of the venues show them pretty well packed. Methinks he needs to book bigger venues.

538 shows Bernie's poll numbers rising pretty rapidly. I wonder if Bernie supporters have begun to treat poll calls differently. I had suspected that Biden's numbers were artificially inflated because Biden supporters were disproportionately responding to polls, whereas Bernie's younger supporters were less likely to answer that phone call. But since the two have basically flipped as a late, I'm not sure how to explain that.

Regardless, he's going to have a problem if the moderate candidates start to drop out because currently the moderate vote is highly split between all of them whereas Warren's progressive following is dropping and all those folks will go to Bernie. He doesn't really have a "reserve" of voters after that. Fortunately, if the other candidates stay in, Bernie will surely have the largest number of delegates.

 

[Chrunch Houston]

Bloomberg has a sense of humor, who knew?

 

[Imari]

Lately he's been drawing crowds of 10, 11, 12k, which by itself isn't anything special but images of the venues show them pretty well packed. Methinks he needs to book bigger venues.

Politically, I imagine having images of a small, packed venue is probably more useful than having larger venues that appear sparsely filled even if they contain more people. It's about making sure it looks like everyone else is gagging to get in on some Bernie action, so better jump on the hype train before you miss out.

 

[McLaren]

Starting to wonder if Bloomberg is really a guy who wanted to run as a Republican deep down, but didn’t want to go up against Trump for the nomination so he found his way into the Democrat’s circle.

Read many comments from conservative bases that they thought Bloomberg was the most “reasonable” candidate. Whether they’re just biased or not, it does make me wonder if the DNC feels he’s the candidate that can pull in those middle ground voters who don’t want Biden/Warren/Bernie but are also not willing to vote Trump back in.

 

[Keef]

Starting to wonder if Bloomberg is really a guy who wanted to run as a Republican deep down, but didn’t want to go up against Trump for the nomination so he found his way into the Democrat’s circle.

I think his plan is more insidious. For example I find it interesting that he has garnered so much flak which would usually be reserved for Trump. It also makes it seem like the Dem party is disorganized. Or, it did...but I think he got ripped a new one pretty decisively during that debate. Ultimately, I believe his sole purpose is to distract and divide. It doesn't make sense otherwise.

 

[Dotini]

I will again remind readers that I said Bloomberg's mission was to force a brokered convention, enabling Hillary to reenter the picture as an undead player.

 

[baldgye]

I will again remind readers that I said Bloomberg's mission was to force a brokered convention, enabling Hillary to reenter the picture as an undead player.

Didn’t Trump throw her in prison?

 

[Biggles]

Didn’t Trump throw her in prison?

Yeah! He did!


No ... wait that was Paul Manafort ... & Roger Stone.

 

[Daniel]

 

[mustafur]

The thing that really stood out for me in the debate is how everyone apart from Bernie disagrees with democracy, it's almost as if the other candidates know they have no chance without ''Super Delegates'', atleast they are on the 2nd ballot this time, but the fact they exist means you have 500 delegates stripped from the Primary process which makes it harder to win a plurality before the convention.

 

[Rallywagon]

What happened between them a year ago?

 

[Dotini]

The thing that really stood out for me in the debate is how everyone apart from Bernie disagrees with democracy, it's almost as if the other candidates know they have no chance without ''Super Delegates'', atleast they are on the 2nd ballot this time, but the fact they exist means you have 500 delegates stripped from the Primary process which makes it harder to win a plurality before the convention.

Excellent video.

America has a bountiful history of brokered and contested presidential nominating conventions.

 

[Daniel]

What happened between them a year ago?

Bloomberg had a premonition that Warren would kill him exactly one year later.

 

[Dotini]

Same video as above, except from the more conservative side of the press.

 

[baldgye]

US intelligence warned House members Russia is working to get Trump re-elected – reports
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/20/russian-interference-2020-house-warned

 

[Dotini]

"Should we unite around the presidential candidate who wins the popular vote?"

Five of 6 Democratic presidential candidates say "Nope" because "rules".

 

[Rallywagon]

So... @PocketZeven.... remember that talk about me not wanting some disconnected billionaire running the country.
You sure if you were American this is the guy you would be supporting? Does he really seem in touch with the average american to you?
More and more as the election cycle progresses he is proving himself to he as pompous, pampered and clueless as I expect any multi billionaire to be.

 

[Danoff]

More and more as the election cycle progresses he is proving himself to he as pompous, pampered and clueless as I expect any multi billionaire to be.

Class warfare. Pompous, pampered, and clueless comes in all bank account sizes.

 

[Rallywagon]

Class warfare. Pompous, pampered, and clueless comes in all bank account sizes.

Not. Not really. I dont want to make their money from them and I dont hate him for his wealth. I imagine I would likely be just as disconnected if I were as wealthy.
However, saying something like "farming doesnt take much gray matter" and "I can teach you how to farm" without having ever picked up a shovel. Well, I think that goes a long way to show how pompous and clueless he is.

 

[Danoff]

Not. Not really. I dont want to make their money from them and I dont hate him for his wealth. I imagine I would likely be just as disconnected if I were as wealthy.
However, saying something like "farming doesnt take much gray matter" and "I can teach you how to farm" without having ever picked up a shovel. Well, I think that goes a long way to show how pompous and clueless he is.

Sure, he's pompous and clueless. But pompous and clueless come in a lot of varieties. You're also very disconnected from what it means to have wealth, especially his particular kind. Neither of you seems to acknowledge it.

You're dehumanizing based on bank account size. Just call him pompous and clueless, that was enough.

 

[mustafur]

Sure, he's pompous and clueless. But pompous and clueless come in a lot of varieties. You're also very disconnected from what it means to have wealth, especially his particular kind. Neither of you seems to acknowledge it.

You're dehumanizing based on bank account size. Just call him pompous and clueless, that was enough.

He has due reason, he has used his wealth to circumvent rules in place to even be at the debates and bought relevancy that generally needs to be earned, all he has done is prove he is a oligarch.

 

[Danoff]

He has due reason, he has used his wealth to circumvent rules in place to even be at the debates and bought relevancy that generally needs to be earned, all he has done is prove he is a oligarch.

Again, the desire to circumvent the rules comes in all shapes and sizes. Just say that he's corrupt, that's enough. No need to class him based on bank account size.

 

[mustafur]

Again, the desire to circumvent the rules comes in all shapes and sizes. Just say that he's corrupt, that's enough. No need to class him based on bank account size.

The Bank account size is what has allowed him to be corrupt, to just say he is corrupt doesn't mean anything, It's not like you or I could blow Hundreds of millions just to do what he is doing.

 

[Danoff]

The Bank account size is what has allowed him to be corrupt, to just say he is corrupt doesn't mean anything, It's not like you or I could blow Hundreds of millions just to do what he is doing.

One uses the means at their disposal to achieve their ends. A corrupt, pompous, or clueless person might use $1 to achieve that, or $1,000,000,000. The money is not making him who he is. He is who he is.

Money is a means to achieve your personal goals.

 

[Rallywagon]

Again, the desire to circumvent the rules comes in all shapes and sizes. Just say that he's corrupt, that's enough. No need to class him based on bank account size.

So it's not class warfare when he labels farmers as dumb and its not class warfare when he tries to use his wealth to buy an election, but it is class warfare to call him out on it?
Excuse me for not buying in.

 

[Danoff]

So it's not class warfare when he labels farmers as dumb and its not class warfare when he tries to use his wealth to buy an election, but it is class warfare to call him out on it?
Excuse me for not buying in.

Don't whatabout. I'm not defending him. He seems like a scumbag. I'm sure he's guilty of class warfare. Take my arguments on their face.

 

[Rallywagon]

Don't whatabout. I'm not defending him. He seems like a scumbag. I'm sure he's guilty of class warfare. Take my arguments on their face.

Fair enough. When it comes to adults, I have no issues with turn about as fair game. He is using his wealth to try and buy an election, and no doubt (for me) his wealth is where he gains most of this world view, particularly his view of the working class, and probably his views that informed his decision to create and pass "stop and frisk". As Mustafur says, its gotta is class that is his issue. Whether he is the rule, or the exception, his wealth has skewed his world views and thus I find it to be the issue. And no, no I dont think he is the exception. Even the "good wealth guys" like Musk and Buffet are quite removed and far from relating with the average person, and its directly a result of their wealth.
Maybe saying that is class warfare, but that doesnt make it false. The brain has an amazing way to make one forget about hardships and pains. Even someone who has come from a poor place and built their wealth will quickly forget what living pay check to pay check is like when they can afford anything the want at a whim and can pay a person or two to make it happen for them.
That's not to say they dont have problems or troubles or life is easier for them. They just lose their connection with the realities of the average person.