The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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I hear murmurs of Trump replacing Mike Pence with Nikki Haley. This would seem to be a cunning move on Trump's part. Trump's support in the evangelical community doesn't need any help & Haley would presumably bolster support in the suburban female vote, which could be a key demographic in the coming election. It would also help position Haley for a run in 2040.
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Officially it's COBR, but as that's pronounced Koh-Bruh, it's become COBRA - even though it's officially still only COBR.
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I have never seen a political party blatantly attack and hinder their most popular candidate’s campaign all so that he can’t be the nominee. No matter how popular he may be with voters, the corporatist establishment will do literally anything to stop him. And I thought this was the “democratic” party. Evidently, this has shown that the interests of billionaires is far more important than true progressive reforms that will benefit the lower and middle class. Let’s face it, the Establishment Democrats are not giving him such a hard time because he’s not popular enough, or because he can’t beat Trump as well as Biden, but because he’s the only one who will actually hold billionaires and big corporations accountable. This just furthers the idea that America is an oligarchic plutocracy as opposed to a fair democracy, or at least a democratic republic. I’m maddened and disgusted, but sadly I can’t say I’m surprised.
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Taxes aren't the main cost of business, it's labor. Corporations move to where the labor is cheapest. Of course those places also have virtually zero employee protections which is impossible to compete with. Regardless of labor cost or incentives, the observable behavior of corporations is to take the money and run, while avoiding labor protections at all costs.
Zero. Bernie hasn't supported corporatists for four decades and I doubt he'll start now.
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I mean, it's really not a surprise at all honestly.
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You might not have read the stuff I quoted. None of those companies have substantial numbers of employees in Ireland, or real production. They're just headquartered there for tax purposes. That's how a giant multinational ends up with basically a P.O. box in Ireland as their corporate address. For example, Google used Google Ireland Holdings.
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This whole debacle has shown the true intentions of Elizabeth Warren. She’s not a true progressive. She’s not in this race right now because she still thinks she can win, but rather she is working to help the establishment moderate candidate become the nominee. I really do think she only encouraged such progressive policies earlier in the race just for clout. She was very vague about these plans while Bernie was specific, which should be taken as a red flag, as well as her being a Republican for quite a long time. If she truly supported progressive reforms she would’ve dropped out and endorse Bernie rather than dividing the progressive vote. If the moderates have consolidated, so should the progressives. But like I said, Warren’s intentions are not good. Thanks to her, Bernie is going to lose Massachusetts, Oklahoma, and probably Maine too. Warren is no better than the corrupt right-wing and centrist politicians whom she claims to hate.
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Sanders is leading against Warren in Massachusetts in polling, which further illustrates Warren has no reason to be in the race.
I really doubt she will endorse Bernie though, she has been throwing shade at him ever since she made up that lie about saying Bernie thinks a women shouldn't be president, Her polling numbers completely died from that point on but she thinks for some strange reason she has a purpose in this race.
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Are you serious? Warren was the CFPB. I don't know what to tell you if you think Warren is a fake-progressive. Yeah, if you're a Bernie supporter, I understand the frustration with her staying in...but c'mon.
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I already knew that. But Elizabeth Warren creating a consumer protections association doesn’t automatically make her a progressive candidate, even though I commend her for doing that.
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She Takes Corporate Super Pac money, for me that's a disqualifier.
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Unbelievable. Lmao. I’ve grown to like the stupidity that Trump adds to the US political system.
seriously, how could you not laugh?
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Note to self: If the Board of Registrars sends a card in the mail, you might actually want to read it instead of just throwing away the old one and putting the new one on the refrigerator. I showed up tonight to my polling place only to see no cars in the parking lot and a sign at the entrance saying this polling location was closed. It's only about 5 minutes from home so I went back home and looked at the new card and saw they had changed my polling location to another place also only about 5 minutes away the other direction so I still had plenty of time to make it. Got to read those things though in the future 
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What is the "anything" the "democratic" party is doing to stop Sanders? If Biden gets more votes than Bernie, isn't that democracy? Biden hasn't even had as much money to work with as Sanders. I notice that Eric Trump was on Fox putting out the notion that the Democratic establishment is trying to sabotage Bernie's campaign. A great narrative to spread to suppress Democratic turnout in the GE.
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Marin county (where I live) appears to be favoring Michael Bloomberg at the moment. I didn't really expect that, but I guess it makes some sense...money.
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So everyone drops out and backs Biden at the same time by coincidence and the one candidate whos 2nd choice voters would almost all go to Bernie with no possible chance at winning Stays in.
Warren is clearly controlled opposition at this point, she lost her home state and came 3rd she has zero reason to stay in the race, the only way the stuff she proposes has any chance of happening is if she drops out.
She also gave emails to supporters in the last few hours about staying till the convention.
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You're starting to sound like Dotini.
I suppose it was all part of the Establishment masterplan to have Biden flop badly in Iowa & New Hampshire? Having Bloomberg stay in, the one candidate who's 2nd choice voters would almost all go to Biden, was also part of the cunning plan? It would appear that although a lot of people are very passionate about Bernie there are many democrats who either don't support his positions, or worry about his electability.
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why do you think warren went hard after bloomberg and bernie when she said she was continuing? basically throwing shade at bloomberg for not dropping out. it wasn't part of the plan for biden to perform poorly initially, hence why everyone else stayed in so long, i'm sure if someone else had kept it close with bernie and was one of the establishment candidates the same thing would've happened. they are the 'anyone but bernie' party. it made absolutely no sense for mayor pete to pull out when he had been doing better than biden up until that point. warren's strategy since day 1 has been to pull votes from bernie. it's been clear since a lot of the views she expressed sounded similar to bernies but her track record doesn't back it up.
all i can say is that i hope either green or libertarian parties can throw up a good candidate this year, since i think this would be a good year to vote third party and try to get one of them above that 15% mark, though i wouldn't put it past congress to change the law if that happened, or for the media to exclude them from the debates anyway
all i can say is that i hope either green or libertarian parties can throw up a good candidate this year, since i think this would be a good year to vote third party and try to get one of them above that 15% mark, though i wouldn't put it past congress to change the law if that happened, or for the media to exclude them from the debates anyway
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Biden wins Texas.
Sanders may as well just end his campaign now. Why bother. He couldn’t even win the New England states and his lead in California was not as large as predicted.
Sadly, Warren did more damage to Bernie’s chances more than the consolidation of the moderates ever could.
Sanders may as well just end his campaign now. Why bother. He couldn’t even win the New England states and his lead in California was not as large as predicted.
Sadly, Warren did more damage to Bernie’s chances more than the consolidation of the moderates ever could.
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I haven't looked at the numbers. Is she getting a lot of votes?
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It looks like all tolled (so far) she picked up 41 delegates on Super Tuesday. Biden currently has a 71 delegate lead. If you assume and this is a big assumption, that all of Warren's delegates would have gone to Bernie, it would tighten up the race, but Bernie would still be behind.
I don't think that's a fair assumption though.
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More significant are all the votes that went to Bloomberg. His presence was a bigger factor in diverting votes from Biden than Warren was in diverting votes from Sanders. Overall turnout was significantly higher than in 2016, but the turnout for Bernie was smaller in many states than it was in 2016, an indication that Democratic voters are more concerned about beating Trump than about whom they elect.
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