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GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
I thought this was the most powerful speech tonight at the GOP convention. I watched the convention on YouTube as Fox News thought their own blathering was more important than many of tonight's speakers.

While this was airing, I checked every major network and none of them showed it. Fox News didn't show it. But it was on CNN. I didn't check MSNBC because I am not sure what channel it is.

This man is from Cuba.

 
Equating Joe Biden to communism is incredible, really. The same Joe Biden that is constantly criticized by the left for being too cozy to the right. It's like they planned this convention around Bernie Sanders winning the nomination and then just stayed the course when he didn't.

Also, I'm amazed that he was able to say that Donald Trump is a family man with a straight face.
 
Equating Joe Biden to communism is incredible, really. The same Joe Biden that is constantly criticized by the left for being too cozy to the right. It's like they planned this convention around Bernie Sanders winning the nomination and then just stayed the course when he didn't.

Also, I'm amazed that he was able to say that Donald Trump is a family man with a straight face.
Oh I'm sorry what communist country did you flee from?
 
Equating Joe Biden to communism is incredible, really. The same Joe Biden that is constantly criticized by the left for being too cozy to the right. It's like they planned this convention around Bernie Sanders winning the nomination and then just stayed the course when he didn't.

Also, I'm amazed that he was able to say that Donald Trump is a family man with a straight face.
I wonder what those Cubans would have come out with had Julian Castro won the nomination.

As for Joe being communist or even socialist, this sounds like a scare tactic designed to rattle wavering Repubs into voting GOP if the following chart is accurate. I'm surprised they haven't mentioned eating pets yet.

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Whoa, Trump and Pence are right up there.
 
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Yeah, I can understand why Hulk Hogan is where he is. :lol:
 
I would say the chart describes how far a politicians political views are away from the general populace.

But I'm sceptical when they show politicians on the chart because it seems overt authoritarian.

However in the case of Trump the constitution is holding him back on plenty of things he actually wants, I wouldn't say he is Hitler but the only thing that allowed Hitler to exist was a poor Weimar Consituion ripe for exploitation from a democratically elected leader, someone like Hitler in Trumps shoes wouldn't be far from what trump could actually do given limitations of power.
 
Is that all you have to add? The facts don't care about your feelings, Chrunch.

I would say the chart describes how far a politicians political views are away from the general populace.
Of the actual Trump supporters on this list the only one who's taken the same test is @ryzno and his results are squarely centrist. Trump is miles away from his views.

[EDIT] @VolkswagenX just took the test and his results are about the same if not even further to the left of Donnie.

But I'm sceptical when they show politicians on the chart because it seems overt authoritarian.
It's a US election candidates poll. It looks like their political "centre" is up and to the right of the graph's (and this forum's).

However in the case of Trump the constitution is holding him back on plenty of things he actually wants.
No wonder he's attempting to flip SCOTUS so it can implement his far-right (according to the graph) policies.
 
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Of the actual Trump supporters on this list the only one who's taken the same test is @ryzno and his results are squarely centrist. Trump is miles away from his views.

[EDIT] @VolkswagenX just took the test and his results are about the same if not even further to the left of Donnie.

Dude.. I'm not the Trump supporter you are looking for..
 
Was the red scare around for 2016, or did it come out for 2020?
I think it did in the days leading up to the 2016 election when Hillary made a last-ditch effort to chase the Bernie crowd because I remember her pursuing ‘free’ college (something that Bernie fixed his campaign on). Biden apparently made some concessions to the Bernie crowd as well (like embracing the supposed ‘green new deal’ and supporting some police ‘defunding’).

If Bernie was the nominee the speaker’s fears of communism would be justified because Bernie was by far the most socialist candidate on the Democratic ticket, and if he supported a wealth cap (I’m not sure if he really did) that is firmly communist policy.

This is putting on the tinfoil hat, but I think the Trump campaign (let’s face it, the convention will be four days of Trump rallies) was actively hoping for Bernie to be the Democrats’ nominee. It would be much easier to red scare undecided voters away from Bernie than Biden, in my opinion.
 
Do people seriously still fear communism sweeping across America? Are they stuck in the 1950's?

It is never going to happen. It was never going to happen. I'm amazed that politicians can still effectively use it as a scare tactic on certain sections of the populace.
 
I'm actually surprised your result is so close to @McLaren

I wonder if @Chrunch Houston will be similar
Isn't that just the nature of the test? I feel like people with very different answers can both come out somewhere in the middle. I was suprised at first but it now makes sense to me. This test wil put you in the middle when you are on the right or left on some issues. Same goes for liberterian or authoritarian.
 
:lol:

Not liking California means supporting Trump? Where do you come up with this stuff?
It's more along the lines of and I've said it here before.
Don't come to my state and start voting for the crap that screwed up your state and then start complaining...
 
It's more along the lines of and I've said it here before.
Don't come to my state and start voting for the crap that screwed up your state and then start complaining...

So much to unpack here...

People move for lots of reasons. Tons. Sometimes they move to a state they like less politically for reasons that are not political at all. For example, I moved to California, a state which I did not like politically, from Texas, mostly based on work. And the work was not there because of the way people were voting in CA compared to TX either.

Yet I did move there. And I did not adopt the prevailing political culture there. So should I have? According to @Chrunch Houston I suppose I should have.

Second, this is a bit of a confirmation bias test. You might think that it's obvious what "screwed up" some state for someone, but that's because you have your own preconceived notions about what "screwed up" looks like, and why people are moving, and what policies caused the thing that you think is "screwed up".

For example, suppose one of the things that you think "screwed up" California is tax rates. But someone moving from California is leaving because of how expensive real estate is. They move to, let's say Texas, and start voting for higher taxes. You think "that's what screwed up your state, don't vote for that here, you had to flee your state" (edit: pretend you're in Texas for this part). But of course they fled their state because of real-estate prices, not taxes. And let's further suppose that the real reason California is "screwed up" is because it's super popular because of the weather. And neither taxes nor anything to do with government treatment of real-estate are the actual "problem".

You're doing a ton of projecting of your own opinion in this circumstance. As a result, people behave in a way that you can't seemingly explain. If people are voting in a particular way, and they get what they want, and it turns out that it's obvious to everyone that it's causing tons of problems, and leaving. Why would they vote the same way again? You might handwave some sort of dehumanizing trait here, but you don't have a solid explanation for it. The reality is that something in that chain is broken. Either it's not obvious that it's causing the problem, or it's not actually a problem, or they're not leaving because of that problem, or they're not voting in the same way (but you think they are).

In short, moving to Texas from California does not mean voting for Trump. That's a false dichotomy, black and white fallacy if ever I heard one. Similarly, when I moved from Texas to California, it did not mean that I should start voting for democrats.
 
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So much to unpack here...

People move for lots of reasons. Tons. Sometimes they move to a state they like less politically for reasons that are not political at all. For example, I moved to California, a state which I did not like politically, from Texas, mostly based on work. And the work was not there because of the way people were voting in CA compared to TX either.

Yet I did move there. And I did not adopt the prevailing political culture there. So should I have? According to @Chrunch Houston I suppose I should have.

Second, this is a bit of a confirmation bias test. You might think that it's obvious what "screwed up" some state for someone, but that's because you have your own preconceived notions about what "screwed up" looks like, and why people are moving, and what policies caused the thing that you think is "screwed up".

For example, suppose one of the things that "screwed up" California is tax rates. But someone moving from California is leaving because of how expensive real estate is. They move to, let's say Texas, and start voting for higher taxes. You think "that's what screwed up your state, don't vote for that here, you had to flee your state". But of course they fled their state because of real-estate prices, not taxes. And let's further suppose that the real reason California is "screwed up" is because it's super popular because of the weather. And neither taxes nor anything to do with government treatment of real-estate are the actual "problem".

You're doing a ton of projecting of your own opinion in this circumstance. As a result, people behave in a way that you can't seemingly explain. If people are voting in a particular way, and they get what they want, and it turns out that it's obvious to everyone that it's causing tons of problems, and leaving. Why would they vote the same way again? You might handwave some sort of dehumanizing trait here, but you don't have a solid explanation for it. The reality is that something in that chain is broken. Either it's not obvious that it's causing the problem, or it's not actually a problem, or they're not leaving because of that problem, or they're not voting in the same way (but you think they are).

In short, moving to Texas from California does not mean voting for Trump. That's a false dichotomy, black and white fallacy if ever I heard one. Similarly, when I moved from Texas to California, it did not mean that I should start voting for democrats.
You pretty much hit it on the head.
Had a friend move down from NY due to CoL and taxes, first thing he did was complainn about the traffic and roads I told him about a nice suburb. He moved there for a while and then moved back, guess why. CoL and taxes...
He also wanted to vote for Stacy Abrams...guess what she wanted to do and even campaigned on it? Raise taxes, the same thing he wanted to get away from.
Some people are that stupid IMO...
 

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