The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%
  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%
  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%
  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%

  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
You mean a presidential candidate misspoke?

Pffft.

Biden screws up so much nobody even cares anymore.

The problem isn't something that Trump said accidentally ... it's the things he says deliberately. Aside from that, he is the most inarticulate, slow-witted person I've ever seen as President. This is combined that with the apparent self-belief that he is a "genius" ... & the "herd" goes along with it.
 
Trump misspeaks? Pfft.

Biden misspeakers? LOL, Biden old, Biden dumb.


:rolleyes:

The problem isn't something that Trump said accidentally ... it's the things he says deliberately. Aside from that, he is the most inarticulate, slow-witted person I've ever seen as President. This is combined that with the apparent self-belief that he is a "genius" ... & the "herd" goes along with it.

Biggles kinda tree'd me there. I was going to chime in something to the effect that calling Trump's unfortunate statements "misspeaks" would often be very generous.

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."
 
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."

Me fail English? That's unpossible.

(Add in history, physics, chemistry et al at your leisure)
 
Me fail English? That's unpossible.

(Add in history, physics, chemistry et al at your leisure)

Well, again ... the problem isn't that he's ignorant about English, history, physics, chemistry et al, it's that he thinks he's brilliant at them. Better than people who have spent their lives studying them. And that ignorance is reflected in the herd that supports him.
 
Well, again ... the problem isn't that he's ignorant about English, history, physics, chemistry et al, it's that he thinks he's brilliant at them. Better than people who have spent their lives studying them. And that ignorance is reflected in the herd that supports him.
President Dunning-Kruger.

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Me fail English? That's unpossible.

(Add in history, physics, chemistry et al at your leisure)
Well, he still has math and geography.(Although I'm almost positive he's failed both without even researching.)
 
Well, he still has math and geography.(Although I'm almost positive he's failed both without even researching.)
There was the sharpie map where he drew a line through Alabama. And was there a thing with a border wall in Kansas or something too?
 
Ya, the herd mentality was a gaffe, I'll give Trump that. However, saying the virus will just go away on its own without a vaccine is some grade-A stupidy.
Yeah, we all remember how bad that flu of 1917, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925... oh wait.
 
Yeah, we all remember how bad that flu of 1917, 1918, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1925... oh wait.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say people absolutely remember how bad the flu was in 1918, 1919, and 1920 since those were the years of the Spanish Flu. Even then since 1899, we've had six influenza pandemics. There's even pretty good evidence that suggests everyone one of those influenza pandemics can be traced back to the H1N1 strain in 1918, at least genetically.

H1N1 still hasn't gone away either. In 2009-2010, the massive influenza outbreak was caused by a strain of H1N1. The strain is still in existence too, even with a vaccine.

So yes, Trump stating that COVID will just disappear with a vaccine is monumentally stupid and an outright lie. Could COVID go away eventually? Maybe, but look at how long it took smallpox to be irradicated. The first vaccine for smallpox was discovered in 1798 and it took until 1977 to be irradiated in the wild.
 
Why Joe, why?

So in 1987, Joe lies, while plagiarizing, and gets busted for it. Now he is telling that same lie. Duh.



Here's a NY Times article.

New York Times, Sept. 18, 1987
Mr. Biden said that in his talks invoking that speech, by Neil Kinnock, the Labor Party leader, he had miscast some of his own forebears, painting them as having rather more humble origins than they in fact did. For example, borrowing Mr. Kinnock's sentiments, Mr. Biden had said he was "the first in his family ever to go to university." In fact, Mr. Biden said today, "there are Finnegans, my mother's family, that went to college."

I would love to see more than that snippet. Post it if you see it.
 
I would love to see more than that snippet. Post it if you see it.

Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., fighting to salvage his Presidential campaign, today acknowledged ''a mistake'' in his youth, when he plagiarized a law review article for a paper he wrote in his first year at law school.

Mr. Biden insisted, however, that he had done nothing ''malevolent,'' that he had simply misunderstood the need to cite sources carefully. And he asserted that another controversy, concerning recent reports of his using material from others' speeches without attribution, was ''much ado about nothing.''

Mr. Biden, the 44-year-old Delaware Democrat who heads the Senate Judiciary Committee, addressed these issues at the Capitol in a morning news conference he had called expressly for that purpose. The news conference was held just before he presided over the third day of hearings on the nomination of Judge Robert H. Bork to the Supreme Court.

To buttress his assertions of sincerity and openness, Mr. Biden released a 65-page file, obtained by the Senator from the Syracuse University College of Law, that he said contained all the records of his years there. It disclosed relatively poor grades in college and law school, mixed evaluations from teachers and details of the plagiarism.

Both the current dean of the law school and Mr. Biden's professor today played down the incident of plagiarism. [ Page A23. ] Brushing aside any suggestion that he might be forced to withdraw from the Presidential race, Mr. Biden declared at the news conference, ''I'm in the race to stay, I'm in the race to win, and here I come.'' Blames Rivals

Mr. Biden also suggested that the recent damaging information about him had originated with other campaigns, which he did not identify, and that it had emerged now because he was enjoying a chance in the limelight with the Bork hearings.

''Look, I'm a big boy,'' he said. ''I've been in politics for 15 years. This is not my style. If they want to do it this way, so be it.''

The file distributed by the Senator included a law school faculty report, dated Dec. 1, 1965, that concluded that Mr. Biden had ''used five pages from a published law review article without quotation or attribution'' and that he ought to be failed in the legal methods course for which he had submitted the 15-page paper.

The plagiarized article, ''Tortious Acts as a Basis for Jurisdiction in Products Liability Cases,'' was published in the Fordham Law Review of May 1965. Mr. Biden drew large chunks of heavy legal prose directly from it, including such sentences as: ''The trend of judicial opinion in various jurisdictions has been that the breach of an implied warranty of fitness is actionable without privity, because it is a tortious wrong upon which suit may be brought by a non-contracting party.'' Just One Footnote

In his paper, Mr. Biden included a single footnote to the Fordham Law Review article.

In a letter defending himself, dated Nov. 30, 1965, Mr. Biden pleaded with the faculty not to dismiss him from the school.

''My intent was not to deceive anyone,'' Mr. Biden wrote. ''For if it were, I would not have been so blatant.''

At another point, the young Mr. Biden said that ''if I had intended to cheat, would I have been so stupid?''

''I value my word above all else,'' the impassioned letter said. ''This is a fact which is known to all those who are or have been acquainted with my character.'' Misunderstanding, He Says

Mr. Biden said today, as he did 22 years ago, that he had misunderstood the rules of citation and footnoting.

''I was wrong, but I was not malevolent in any way,'' Mr. Biden said. ''I did not intentionally move to mislead anybody. And I didn't. To this day I didn't.''

The faculty ruled that Mr. Biden would get an F in the course but would have the grade stricken when he retook it the next year. Mr. Biden eventually received a grade of 80 in the course, which, he joked today, prevented him from falling even further in his class rank. Mr. Biden, who graduated from the law school in 1968, was 76th in a class of 85.

The file also included Mr. Biden's transcript from his days as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware. In his first three semesters, his grades were C's or D's, with three exceptions: two A's in physical education courses, a B in a course on ''Great English Writers'' and an F in R.O.T.C. The grades improved somewhat later but were never exceptional. Biden's Defense on Speeches

As for the issue of borrowing speeches, Mr. Biden was insistent that he had done nothing wrong. He said it was ''ludicrous'' to expect a politician to attribute all the quotations of others, and he cited two examples to support his argument.

One was from one of his adversaries for the Democratic nomination, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, whom Mr. Biden described as ''a friend.'' Mr. Jackson, Mr. Biden said, has used the same part of a speech by Hubert H. Humphrey that Mr. Biden has been accused of improperly appropriating, and Mr. Jackson has called him to say so.

Robert F. Kennedy, another of those whose speeches have been echoed by Mr. Biden, also used passages without attribution, the Senator said.

Mr. Biden appealed to voters to accept him as ''a middle-class guy'' who makes mistakes but tells the truth. Of his campaign chances, he said: ''It'll all be dependent on the American people looking at me. They're going to look at me and say, 'Is Joe Biden being honest with me, or is Joe Biden not being honest with me?'

''I'm being honest,'' Mr. Biden said firmly. Support in Senate

Mr. Biden won strong support from a number of Senate colleagues today.

At the Bork hearings, Senator Alan K. Simpson, Republican of Wyoming, praised Mr. Biden with words similar to those once invoked by Theodore Roosevelt in salute to politicians.

''I don't know where all this stuff will go with regard to your present situation,'' said Mr. Simpson, one of the most popular members of the Senate. ''Hang on tight. You have at least had the guts to throw yourself in the public arena, to run for the Presidency. And that's better than a lot of faint-hearted detractors will ever do in this world, and they will be the ones who will try to sully you and pull you down.

''And so more power to you as you grapple with that one.''

The Senate majority leader, Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia, said: ''Senator Biden is a man of good intentions who means well for America. His credibility is good with me.'' Healey Wasn't Involved

In the course of his news conference, Mr. Biden also acknowleged that he was mistaken when he implied on several occasions that it was Denis Healey, a prominent British Labor Party official, who had given him a videotape of another speech whose words the Senator later used. In London, Mr. Healey's office denied giving Mr. Biden the tape, and today the Senator said that in fact it had not come from Mr. Healey.

In addition, Mr. Biden said that in his talks invoking that speech, by Neil Kinnock, the Labor Party leader, he had miscast some of his own forebears, painting them as having rather more humble origins than they in fact did. For example, borrowing Mr. Kinnock's sentiments, Mr. Biden had said he was ''the first in his family ever to go to university.'' In fact, Mr. Biden said today, ''there are Finnegans, my mother's family, that went to college.''

Mr. Biden also appeared to signal a shift in the way he is casting himself politically, toward an image as a leader of the ordinary middle class rather than as a civil rights and antiwar firebrand.

''During the 60's, I was, in fact, very concerned about the civil rights movement,'' he said. But at another point he said, ''I was not an activist,'' adding:

''I worked at an all-black swimming pool in the east side of Wilmington, Del. I was involved in what they were thinking, what they were feeling. But I was not out marching. I was not down in not out marching. I was not down in Selma. I was not anywhere else. I was a suburbanite kid who got a dose of exposure to what was happening to black Americans.''

In an address to the New Jersey Democratic State Convention on Sept. 13, 1983, Mr. Biden appeared to suggest that he had been deeply involved in civil rights battles.

''When I was 17, I participated in sit-ins to desegregate restaurants and movie houses,'' he declared then. ''And my stomach turned upon hearing the voices of Faubus and Wallace. My soul raged on seeing Bull Connor and his dogs.''

Asked about the apparent inconsistency, Larry Rasky, the Senator's press secretary, said that as a youth in Wilmington, Mr. Biden ''did participate in action to desegregate one restaurant and one movie theater.''

Near the end of his news conference, Mr. Biden issued a dramatic defense of the man he considers himself to be. He offered a kind of rebuttal to reporters who have insistently asked how, having once cast himself as the candidate of a ''new generation'' who spoke often of the civil rights and antiwar movements, he coulld have done so with little record of participation in either movement as a young man. He called the queries ''bizarre.''

''When I was at Syracuse,'' he said, ''I was married, I was in law school, I wore sports coats. You're looking at a middle-class guy. I am who I am. I'm not big on flak jackets and tie-dyed shirts. You know, that's not me.''
 
:lol: If this is all the "Trump War Room" has on him they must be pretty desperate.

They must be hoping for a repeat of Biden's 1987 campaign when this scandal was enough to spark a trial by media which put him out of the running.

I wonder whether his team tried to coach him to say "first in my immediate family" instead and he forgot.
 
Eh, Intresting that @Chrunch Houston is up in arms about lies, surely his standards must of just raised suddenly and only on a particular person.

Or maybe Joe didn't "mean" it, Is that how it goes?
He should've plagiarised Michelle Obama instead. I bet that gets a pass from the "war room".
 
About as concerning towards political power as Kimberly Guilfoyle claiming she's a first-generation American even though her mother is Puerto Rican. It's a gaffe, but the least of our worries.

Nice to see we drink our Kool-Aid by the pitcher, though. Following "Trump War Room" . :lol:
 
Truthfully, nobody cares.
The War Room buddies care. They and people like them desperately hope this is going to be the smoking gun that derails Biden's campaign and takes the spotlight off Trump's endless divisiveness, negligence, and duplicity.

But if by some chance it fails to work, hey ho, tomorrow is another day.

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Frankly, my dear, no one else gives a...
 
The War Room buddies care. They and people like them desperately hope this is going to be the smoking gun that derails Biden's campaign and takes the spotlight off Trump's endless divisiveness, negligence, and duplicity.

Nah, they don't actually care either. It's just a pretext to muddy the waters.
 
It's interesting how the republican strategy of limiting voting places in blue areas was never really dealt with and then when it looks like covid will force early voting and mail in voting they are heavily against that.

Almost like they don't want people to vote.
Once upon a time when the Libertarian Ron Paul ran for President on the Republican ticket, I switched parties and became a supporter of Paul. I was there long enough to be elected precinct captain, participate in county level party caucuses, give a speech at the county level, and move on the state caucus and potentially the national convention. I was literally in the thick of the party machinery, behind the scenes. There, I saw raw hatred of Paul from the followers of ALL the other candidates, and a concerted attempt by the party leadership to sink his nomination from Washington State by the means of hiding the physical ballots from the delegates at the county level caucus to prevent voting from taking place.

This bitter experience reinforces my view that politics is "war by other means", and I think it applies to both major parties.
 
Once upon a time when the Libertarian Ron Paul ran for President on the Republican ticket, I switched parties and became a supporter of Paul. I was there long enough to be elected precinct captain, participate in county level party caucuses, give a speech at the county level, and move on the state caucus and potentially the national convention. I was literally in the thick of the party machinery, behind the scenes. There, I saw raw hatred of Paul from the followers of ALL the other candidates, and a concerted attempt by the party leadership to sink his nomination from Washington State by the means of hiding the physical ballots from the delegates at the county level caucus to prevent voting from taking place.

This bitter experience reinforces my view that politics is "war by other means", and I think it applies to both major parties.
I remember hearing that, make no mistake it came from Above as well. What even is democracy?
 
What even is democracy?

Substitute the word democracy for the word realm in the following dialogue:

“Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: The realm. Do you know what the realm is? It's the thousand blades of Aegon's enemies, a story we agree to tell each other over and over, until we forget that it's a lie.

Lord Varys: But what do we have left, once we abandon the lie? Chaos? A gaping pit waiting to swallow us all.

Petyr 'Littlefinger' Baelish: Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, are given a chance to climb. They refuse, they cling to the realm or the gods or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.”


― George R.R. Martin, A Game of Thrones
 
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