The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

GTPlanet Exit Poll - Which Presidential Ticket Did You Vote For?

  • Trump/Pence

    Votes: 16 27.1%

  • Biden/Harris

    Votes: 20 33.9%

  • Jorgensen/Cohen

    Votes: 7 11.9%

  • Hawkins/Walker

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • La Riva/Freeman

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • De La Fuente/Richardson

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Blankenship/Mohr

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Carroll/Patel

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Simmons/Roze

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Charles/Wallace

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 15 25.4%
  • Total voters
    59
  • Poll closed .
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Interesting topic.

Here's the link to the AJC story.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/politi...-quit-senate-race/V7Z5ACWICRCR7KSZVE26RUZ74E/
 
UKMikey
Detroit Free Press: One man in West Michigan reacted to yard sign suppression by raising funds for a freeway billboard. Other people who also had their signs torn down were happy to chip in.

https://amp.freep.com/amp/5845062002
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Having spent far too much time in Newaygo County this doesn't surprise me at all. It's like 90% rednecks, white supremiscists, and meth....lots and lots of meth with some opioid use on the side. It's ripe for Trump supporters who think stealing a yard sign is "ownin dem libs man!"
 
Joey D
Having spent far too much time in Newaygo County this doesn't surprise me at all. It's like 90% rednecks, white supremiscists, and meth....lots and lots of meth with some opioid use on the side. It's ripe for Trump supporters who think stealing a yard sign is "ownin dem libs man!"
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I wonder whether some of them'll get caught trying to steal the billboard. That would be hilarious.
 
Trump on the campaign trail, claims the virus affects elderly people, but folks under 18, helluva immune system. Therefore, "virtually nobody" is affected.


Donnie boy, there's a really, really big age demographic between 18 & 65 you're missing....
 
McLaren
Donnie boy, there's a really, really big age demographic between 18 & 65 you're missing....
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What's even worse for him is that a large part of his voter base is over 65, so he's effectively saying "my voters are dying and I see this as a win".

Also, I still want my tax cut whenever that's going to happen.
 
Previous quote from Trump:
DJT
“The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t [happy] because they want to do nothing but fight wars so all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy.”
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Flip and flop

...spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany said Trump's record "speaks for itself."

"Our military men and women, our veterans love this president for a very distinct reason. Under Obama-Biden, sequestration really gutted our military. You had the Navy at its smallest point ever, and the other military branches were absolutely gutted," she said. "Then you had President Trump who came in and secured a record amount of funding for our military and our Department of Defense and built up our military."
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Full article - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/trump-coast-guard-endorses-biden-420953
Trump's former Coast Guard chief endorses Biden, cites 'insurgency' on the Constitution
Retired admiral joins nearly 200 other retired senior leaders who are endorsing Biden.

Trump's policies have hurt America's standing in the world, Zukunft said, citing the president's decision to pull out of the Paris Climate Accord without an alternative solution. | Patrick Kelley/ Courtesy of the U.S. Coast Guard

By LARA SELIGMAN

09/24/2020 08:29 AM EDT

Updated: 09/24/2020 05:35 PM EDT

President Donald Trump's former four-star head of the Coast Guard is speaking out on his decision to endorse Joe Biden, saying it's due to an "insurgency" on Americans' constitutional rights that has occurred on the commander in chief's watch.

Retired Adm. Paul Zukunft, who stepped down as commandant of the Coast Guard in June 2018, is one of almost 500 former national security leaders who signed an open letter released Thursday questioning Trump's fitness for command.

"I've seen an insurgency, if you will, on our constitutional rights and more power being centralized at the executive level that has really divided our nation," Zukunft told POLITICO. "I am concerned that our constitutional rights are being infringed upon from within."

Zukunft's comments come a day after Trump sidestepped a question about whether he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the November election. His press secretary later said the president would "accept the results of a free and fair election." The president has also repeatedly questioned the legitimacy of mail-in voting, and even urged Americans to vote twice, which is illegal.

In addition to his concern over the Constitution, Zukunft said he was driven to endorse Biden by the 2019 government shutdown over funding for Trump's border wall, which left the Coast Guard's active-duty force of more than 40,000 working without pay for several months. He is also concerned by Trump's dismissal of science, both on climate change and the Covid-19 pandemic, which Zukunft says has caused "irrevocable" damage to the environment.

Zukunft joined recently retired Air Force Gen. Paul Selva, who was the second-highest ranking officer in the military as vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff until August 2019, in signing the letter.

The retired four-star officers are two of nearly 200 other retired generals and admirals who threw their support behind the former vice president. The group, which calls itself the National Security Leaders for Biden, also includes former defense secretaries, ambassadors, and a number of high-profile Republicans.

"We love our country. Unfortunately, we also fear for it,” the open letter said. "The COVID-19 pandemic has proven America needs principled, wise, and responsible leadership. America needs a president who understands, as President Harry S. Truman said, that ‘the buck stops here.’”

Other signatories included two Obama defense secretaries, Ash Carter and Chuck Hagel, as well as Eric Edelman, who served as undersecretary of defense for policy in the George W. Bush administration.

Asked reaction to the letter during Thursday's White House briefing, spokesperson Kayleigh McEnany said Trump's record "speaks for itself."

"Our military men and women, our veterans love this president for a very distinct reason. Under Obama-Biden, sequestration really gutted our military. You had the Navy at its smallest point ever, and the other military branches were absolutely gutted," she said. "Then you had President Trump who came in and secured a record amount of funding for our military and our Department of Defense and built up our military."

"I can't speak to one person's reasoning," she said when asked about Selva's involvement. "But this president, when you look at what he's done — bringing our troops home and all he's done in aggregate — the rank and file in this military love this president."

It is rare for recently-retired high-ranking military officers to publicly endorse a political candidate or criticize a commander in chief they served. While former top military leaders have endorsed Biden and blasted Trump, Selva is the highest-ranking Trump-era leader to do so. Trump's predecessor, Barack Obama, selected both Selva and Zukunft for the jobs, but they served well into the Trump administration.

In the interview, Zukunft described a chaotic administration often thrown off balance by an unpredictable leader. He recalled when Trump announced in a series of tweets in July 2017 that transgender people would no longer be allowed to serve in the military. Zukunft said he called his then-boss, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, who would go on to serve as White House chief of staff. Kelly, also caught off guard, worried about breaking faith with the service members who had recently come out as transgender, he said.

"How do you respond to a tweet?" Zukunft said. "The whole decision-making process, it would be a tweet, what's the public reaction, and then things would move along in that direction. At no point was there even any sit-down discussion or deliberation or 'we're thinking about repealing this and gaining your insights.'"

Zukunft interacted with Trump on multiple occasions throughout the first two years of his administration, including quarterly meetings at the Pentagon or the White House, and he quickly learned how to get the president's attention. During a briefing in Key West, Fla., Zukunft recalled watching Trump grow increasingly bored as a Navy admiral and an Air Force general discussed strengthening partnerships.

When it was his turn to brief, Zukunft told the president what he believed he wanted to hear: "'Mr. President, you are the first commander in chief to get off their ass and see what the hell is going on down here."

"Now I don’t talk like that normally," Zukunft told POLITICO. "But as soon as I did, the president was intently hanging on every word I had to say." Trump agreed to provide the Coast Guard the additional ships Zukunft said were needed to police the region.

Later, when Trump spoke at the commencement ceremony at the Coast Guard Academy in New London, Conn., Zukunft urged the speechwriter to add a line about building additional icebreakers. When the president read the line from the teleprompter, the crowd went wild, he said.

"It garnered the attention he was looking for, in a very blue state, by the way," Zukunft said.

In light of recent reports that the president disparaged troops wounded or killed in combat, Zukunft stressed that he never heard Trump say anything of the sort. He said he was grateful that Trump presided over his change-of-command ceremony after 41 years of service, the only time a president has done that for a Coast Guard commandant, he said.

However, Trump's policies have hurt America's standing in the world, Zukunft said, citing the president's decision to pull out of the Paris Climate Accord without an alternative solution.

"Our global reputation suffered at the hands of this administration," he said.

By contrast, Biden is a measured leader and surrounds himself with advisers with contrasting viewpoints, he said.

"He has great diplomatic skills. I think he would be a great executive envoy to re-instill trust in the U.S. brand among our allies," Zukunft said.

In the Thursday letter, the signatories similarly contrasted Biden with Trump, who they said has demonstrated he is "not equal to the enormous responsibilities of his office."

"Thanks to his disdainful attitude and his failures, our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us," they wrote, citing failures on climate change and North Korea's nuclear program. They also slammed Trump for ceding influence to Russia and starting a trade war with China that has hurt American workers.

Zukunft also said he was dismayed at how Trump's presidency has divided Americans, noting that as a "career public servant" he "took the highest oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

"I should be able to sit down over a cup of coffee with a Democrat and a Republican and have a healthy conversation, but instead it's almost as though it’s the Hatfields and the McCoys," Zukunft said.
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Well said
 
Does anyone here think anyone in the US is undecided about how to vote & will be swayed by the upcoming debates? I anticipate tonight's debate will be pretty excruciating to watch. However, the second & third debates will just be adding unnecessary suffering. Trump will lie & bluster as usual. All Biden has to do is seem reasonably articulate & coherent. I do think that if Biden acquits himself well it will put to bed any doubts about his competency & that may be enough to put the final nail in Trump's political coffin.
 
Biggles
Does anyone here think anyone in the US is undecided about how to vote & will be swayed by the upcoming debates? I anticipate tonight's debate will be pretty excruciating to watch. However, the second & third debates will just be adding unnecessary suffering. Trump will lie & bluster as usual. All Biden has to do is seem reasonably articulate & coherent. I do think that if Biden acquits himself well it will put to bed any doubts about his competency & that may be enough to put the final nail in Trump's political coffin.
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I have to admit that I have trouble imagining someone who changes their vote based on the debates. I suppose it has to be possible, but it's hard for me to visualize.
 
Biggles
Does anyone here think anyone in the US is undecided about how to vote & will be swayed by the upcoming debates? I anticipate tonight's debate will be pretty excruciating to watch. However, the second & third debates will just be adding unnecessary suffering. Trump will lie & bluster as usual. All Biden has to do is seem reasonably articulate & coherent. I do think that if Biden acquits himself well it will put to bed any doubts about his competency & that may be enough to put the final nail in Trump's political coffin.
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I heard today on TV that the undecided accounts for 6% of voters.
Who are they?
A good share of people have no interest in politic or even news, and maybe a fringe of them think it's their duty or privilege to vote?
An other possibility is some republicans despising Trump and liberals equally, and have yet to decide who they'll try to punish.
 
I wonder if a more important consideration is the effect on turnout - which people decide NOT to vote? Republican voters who are fed up with Trump but can't bring themselves to vote for a Democrat ... or left wing Democrats who can't bring themselves to vote for Biden.

I think Biden's performance is much more critical. He has to make sure he gives the left wing enough to make sure that Sanders supporters turn out in a way they didn't for Clinton ... while not turning off moderates by appearing too "radical". It's hard to see what Trump could say to turn off his supporters, that he has not already said.
 
McLaren
Joe's not doing great, either. Moderator's coming across a bit weak as well.

Whole thing has been a funny dumpster spark waiting to ignite.
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My biggest take away so far is how much Trump is relying on straight-up bullying against his opponent. His behavior is so un-presidential it's unbelievable.

That being said, Biden skirting around questions and getting a bit lost in his answers is pretty bad as well.
 
Did he really believe none of his rallies have had Covid issues? Herman Cain tested positive a week after his rally and died from it. :odd:
 
I like how Trump craps on Biden for allowing him to take advantage of not paying taxes, and when Biden said that happened under Trump, he says yeah, and the economy boomed.
 
Trump: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!"

Me, audibly yelling very loudly: WHAT?!!!!

What the hell kind of order to disband was that?!
 
NotThePrez
Trump: "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by!"

Me, audibly yelling very loudly: WHAT?!!!!

What the hell kind of order to disband was that?!
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That question was like putting a ball on a batting tee, and just chucking the bat out past it into the field.
 
McLaren
That question was like putting a ball on a batting tee, and just chucking the bat out past it into the field.
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I mean, I knew that there was no way that that question was gonna go well, but I was just....surprised by the answer.

I dunno, I feel like that's a pretty simple question to answer, and that the answer needed a clear, concise, and forceful response. I was actually with (on his intial yesses, that is) Trump right until he gave that response.

Edit: Well, that was an experience.
 
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McLaren
Another easy question, and Trump didn't actually seem to say he'd ask his supporters to not cause civil unrest.
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He feels that because he's president, he can tell them to intimidate and assault people going to vote.
 

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