The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread
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You have to ask yourself what's changed about this forum recently to cause such a marked shift in atmosphere.
When people who haven't posted during those 10 years suddenly show up whose sole purpose seems to be to lob the conversational equivalent of hand grenades into the room perhaps it's no surprise if the overall temperature starts to rise rapidly.
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It's probably not this forum itself, but the world as a whole that has changed. We are apparently on a predictable global cycle of civil unrest and violence. Probably compounded by global warming, pandemic and social media. People will naturally take sides and arm themselves.
https://www.studyfinds.org/scientist-predicted-civil-unrest-riots-in-2010/
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The world has changed, yes. But the USA changed more, going its own way and leaving old allies (you might call the "free world") leaderless. The vultures (global powers like Russia and China) are circling from the air, the scavengers (regional players and/or pariah countries) are already on the ground biting the dying corpse that once was an alliance.
It is fascinating to watch if you like geopolitics and human history. A bit terrifying because, unlike what happened with other similar eras of change that I read about, I'm actually witnessing this one live. And so far, so good, I'm witnessing it all on a 4K TV sitting in a couch placed n a peaceful country.
Wouldn't like to witness it from a refugee camp somewhere or while risking my entire family's life in a boat to take them to a country where the risk of dying prematurely (and violently) is minimal. A country where I know I'm not wanted because the guys there want to keep their 4K TVs and couches and think I'm going to take them or blow them up.
EDIT - Sorry for the thread drift and from a non-american no less. This post relates to the one Dotini wrote.
It is fascinating to watch if you like geopolitics and human history. A bit terrifying because, unlike what happened with other similar eras of change that I read about, I'm actually witnessing this one live. And so far, so good, I'm witnessing it all on a 4K TV sitting in a couch placed n a peaceful country.
Wouldn't like to witness it from a refugee camp somewhere or while risking my entire family's life in a boat to take them to a country where the risk of dying prematurely (and violently) is minimal. A country where I know I'm not wanted because the guys there want to keep their 4K TVs and couches and think I'm going to take them or blow them up.
EDIT - Sorry for the thread drift and from a non-american no less. This post relates to the one Dotini wrote.
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It's impossible to know the unvarnished truth, but I wonder how Trump's messaging of "out of control crime" is landing with the American electorate. I can't imagine the vast majority of Americans feel it is a pressing issue, but I could be wrong. Has anyone here been personally impacted by rioting this year? I'm pretty damn close to Oakland (not to mention I visit Oakland somewhat frequently) and I've barely even noticed anything different - granted I live in a place that is pretty heavily weight towards the higher income scales. Do people living in suburbs honestly feel that violence is coming for them? I'm curious to get a read from other Americans here. This isn't some sort of cynical "gotcha" ploy, I'm genuinely curious how people feel...lets try not to get dramatic. Discuss? With civility?
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It seems pretty highly localized. I do know someone who got scared of the possibility of a mob, but they're always scared so they don't really count. I don't know anyone who has been affected, but I imagine there are people who have been dramatically affected.
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I know a few folks in Oakland that have had sleepless nights but nothing too serious. That's not to suggest people haven't been seriously effected. I guess I'm trying to understand if people in suburbs outside of urban centers feel like riots and mobs are coming for them. As a current suburban resident, I struggle to see how or why that would happen. Suburbs are diffuse by nature and therefore difficult to concentrate any sort of mob in - logistically, I don't see it happening.
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It sounds like he's trying to say to vote both ways in case the first one isn't counted/arrives on time? Hard for me to tell seeing as Trump is one of the worst people to make his message clear. And I've read elsewhere that the system is supposed to recognize if this happens and invalidate the 2nd vote, but I don't know how reliable or verifiable that is, unfortunately.
But, this wouldn't be an issue for him to address if he wasn't the one ******* it up in the first place....
But, this wouldn't be an issue for him to address if he wasn't the one ******* it up in the first place....
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You also don't need to go in person to see if it counted. You can check online
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Mind providing any context as to why you posted this? Is this supposed to show that voter fraud is indeed a problem, thereby "proving" something Trump has whined about for years now? Or are you posting this because it's the exact behavior Trump recently told his supporters to engage in, thereby making him (and any of his followers who applauded both things) gigantic hypocrites?
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I was actually about to ask @Danoff why he moved my post to another thread but you just answered why.
I honestly didn't know Trump said whatever he said to encourage voter fraud.
While it's been caught and pending punishment for those involved I thought it was important to point out "voter fraud" is real.
I got scoffed at when I posted about the cat receiving a voter registration form.
I was hoping showing an example with more than 1 odd ball cat would help.
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4 posts up.
You can really clearly see in that video that Trump's primary concern is the preservation of democracy and accurately recording the will of the people. And that none of his comments about voting have to do with whether incorrect votes would go FOR or AGAINST him.
Oh wait, no he's just a huge hypocrite.
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He was just joking.
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He told them to do exactly what your article discusses. Word for word. As Danoff pointed out, the video of him saying it is just a few posts above yours.
I don't think anybody has ever denied that it happens. The question is does it happen often enough to warrant all the paranoia and hand-wringing? I think we're far from establishing that.
No, what was scoffed at was the notion that, if the cat attempted to return said resignation form, that it would actually then receive the requested ballot. It was pointed out that there are numerous steps still ahead of that cat that would almost certainly prove insurmountable. The article you posted brings no information to the table that would warrant modifying that stance.
It's a completely different scenario than the cat, and it still doesn't seem to me to pose any significant threat to anything.
What does concern me is the President telling millions of his supporters to do this. That would be fraud on a scale that absolutely dwarfs any of the rare cases we've seen so far.
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He doesn't kid.
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Fraudn't.
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Something tells me they might need to add another couple of clauses to The Narcissist's Prayer to cover joking and sarcasm.
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McLaren
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I think you're ignoring the part where he says, "If it counts late, which it shouldn't, they'll see you voted , so it won't count."
If they see you already voted, you're going to be open to criminal charges in addition to it not counting. Here's our state's punishment if you vote once, and then try to vote again.
The issue is he's telling people to go vote a second time if you see the first time didn't go through. But, you have no way of knowing if you're not being counted or are going to be counted late (since the Trump himself implies it's a possibility). There is no, "Oh, I'm sorry. I voted twice b/c I didn't know when my initial vote was being cast".
Whether or not Trump is trying to actually be sincere in his message to mean, "Make sure your vote counts" rather than "Try to vote twice", his advice is setting people up to be charged with felonies.
If they see you already voted, you're going to be open to criminal charges in addition to it not counting. Here's our state's punishment if you vote once, and then try to vote again.
The issue is he's telling people to go vote a second time if you see the first time didn't go through. But, you have no way of knowing if you're not being counted or are going to be counted late (since the Trump himself implies it's a possibility). There is no, "Oh, I'm sorry. I voted twice b/c I didn't know when my initial vote was being cast".
Whether or not Trump is trying to actually be sincere in his message to mean, "Make sure your vote counts" rather than "Try to vote twice", his advice is setting people up to be charged with felonies.
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