The GTP Unofficial 2020 US Elections Thread

[TexRex]

No, I can read the Tweets and posts here just fine.

Great, so what about Tulsi Gabbard appealed to you for a prospective presidential candidate when so much of her platform consists of stuff to which you've openly expressed opposition here? I listed a bunch of them when I asked this very recently up-thread. Universal basic income stands out in my memory as something you vehemently oppose and she supported it during the Democratic primaries much like Yang did.

There seems to be no order in the Tweets. Just random posts.

It's columnar. You start at the top and work your way down. Subsequent messages by the same user tend to be in response to or continuance of that which preceded it, because there's a limit of 140 characters per message. Some users number their posts in a thread, but it shouldn't be terribly difficult to follow along when they don't.

The same message appeared twice because one user commented on the thread and what appeared in the quote box below was the thread itself, from the beginning.

Sometimes a user will quote another and the message they're quoting actually appears below their response to it, which I'll admit seemed awkward to me for following along. It's better here where responses tend to appear below quoted posts.

I like to post all of a thread here so that users don't have to leave GTPlanet to view it, but out of courtesy I put all but the intro tweet into a quote box that remains collapsed until users expand it.

 

[Famine]

there's a limit of 140 characters per message

Not since late 2017 - it's 280 characters now.

 

[TexRex]

Not since late 2017 - it's 280 characters now.

News to me, but then I've never so much as signed up for the platform. Of course that's still a constraint and the practice of responding to one's own messages remains necessary for conveying lengthy messages through Twitter alone.

 

[UKMikey]

Seriously, I watched my home town get taken over by illegal immigrants, destroyed, turned into a small city riddled with crime by majority blacks now and y'all have the audacity to bring links and stats and maps and say I'm wrong.
You can't fact check everything.

Even if every single Mexican in metro Atlanta is illegal they only make up 11% of city residents according to this article. I'm not sure how that constitutes a takeover.

Metro Atlanta No. 19 for Hispanic population - Atlanta Magazine

The numbers crunchers at Pew have a new report—with nifty interactive maps—that analyzes the U.S. Hispanic population by state and metro area. In short, the project shows that although Hispanics still cluster in a few areas (nine percent of the nation’s Hispanic population is in the Los Angeles...

www.atlantamagazine.com

 

[ryzno]

Even if every single Mexican in metro Atlanta is illegal they only make up 11% of city residents. I'm not sure how that constitutes a takeover.

Metro Atlanta No. 19 for Hispanic population - Atlanta Magazine

The numbers crunchers at Pew have a new report—with nifty interactive maps—that analyzes the U.S. Hispanic population by state and metro area. In short, the project shows that although Hispanics still cluster in a few areas (nine percent of the nation’s Hispanic population is in the Los Angeles...

www.atlantamagazine.com

Lindbergh, it has its own Marta station named after the area. It was a neighborhood in Buckhead. Neither neighborhoods wanted anything to do with Atlanta or each other and became their own cities. Like Chamblee, Norcross...etc... They are all except Norcross, inside of Atlanta right up Peachtree St after Downtown and Midtown... You'd go up P'tree or Piedmont from Downtown to Lindbergh Dr and guess where you were?
Stop with your numbers and links and trying to make me look stupid and actually try to learn some history of the city from someone who actually has lived here his whole life.
Fun fact. Lindbergh was actually called Broadview Plaza before it became Lindbergh and then the City of Lindbergh.
Another fun fact,where the Marta station is it use to be a drive in theater, the plaza was actually a fair grounds with a small shopping center, the fair grounds burned down and left just the shopping center. Decade or two later they built a Home Depot there and a post office, right before everything in that area went to hell.Do I need to get Mrs ryzno to actually make a first post here and tell y'all how they screwed up her home town of Lilburn?
Edit another fun fact, after taking over Lindbergh they moved up Buford Hwy to Chamblee and Doraville and did the same.
Another fun fact, Buford Hwy goes all the way out to Buford GA where the Buford Dam is.

Or do y'all need some kinda damn citation for everything I just said?
Do I need Mrs ryzno to actually make a first post on her account and tell y'all how her hometown of Lilburn got screwed up too?
PS: she really doesn't like y'all from reading the screen when I'm on here and she's a Democrat.
Edit: I've actually told y'all this **** before way back during the 2016 elections. When y'all questioned me about my stance on illegal immigrants.

Leave me alone.

 

[TexRex]

I don't imagine I'm getting an answer, and it seems more and more like support for Tulsi was feigned. Curious that answers for vague questions were pushed for so hard from me and yet there's so much reluctance here.

 

[Danoff]

Lindbergh, it has its own Marta station named after the area. It was a neighborhood in Buckhead. Neither neighborhoods wanted anything to do with Atlanta or each other and became their own cities. Like Chamblee, Norcross...etc... They are all except Norcross, inside of Atlanta right up Peachtree St after Downtown and Midtown... You'd go up P'tree or Piedmont from Downtown to Lindbergh Dr and guess where you were?
Stop with your numbers and links and trying to make me look stupid and actually try to learn some history of the city from someone who actually has lived here his whole life.
Fun fact. Lindbergh was actually called Broadview Plaza before it became Lindbergh and then the City of Lindbergh.
Edit another fun fact, after taking over Lindbergh they moved up Buford Hwy to Chamblee and Doraville and did the same.
Another fun fact, Buford Hwy goes all the way out to Buford GA where the Buford Dam is.

Or do y'all need some kinda damn citation for everything I just said?

Edit: I've actually told y'all this **** before way back during the 2016 elections. When y'all questioned me about my stance on illegal immigrants.

Leave me alone.

The biggest hits for Lindbergh crime seems to be about Taco Mac closing its location due to recent rising crime rates in Buckhead. From the Atlanta crime map, Lindbergh doesn't really look like it stands out, looks pretty consistent with other neighborhoods that are about that distance from downtown Atlanta - which is worse. That's not to say Lindbergh is low on crime. But it doesn't look like its crime problems actually belong to it specifically.

So perhaps you're arguing that illegal immigrants and blacks are actually responsible for the crime rates across all of Atlanta? Because it looks to me like Lindbergh has about what you'd expect given its position within the greater Atlanta area.

 

[ryzno]

The biggest hits for Lindbergh crime seems to be about Taco Mac closing its location due to recent rising crime rates in Buckhead. From the Atlanta crime map, Lindbergh doesn't really look like it stands out, looks pretty consistent with other neighborhoods that are about that distance from downtown Atlanta - which is worse. That's not to say Lindbergh is low on crime. But it doesn't look like its crime problems actually belong to it specifically.

So perhaps you're arguing that illegal immigrants and blacks are actually responsible for the crime rates across all of Atlanta? Because it looks to me like Lindbergh has about what you'd expect given its position within the greater Atlanta area.

There was no god damn Taco Mac back then. Did you seriously just ignore everything I said? I even edited it to add more facts of the area.
Jesus Christ on a ****ing bike! **** your recent numbers. It was literally a crack town as in crack cocaine. 20 ****ing years ago. I know, I lived there, I was a casualty of said drug. Do some math. Remember I told y'all I ****ed up at the age of 17? Or are y'all to busy circle liking each other?

 

[TexRex]

 

[Danoff]

There was no god damn Taco Mac back then. Did you seriously just ignore everything I said? I even edited it to add more facts of the area.
Jesus Christ on a *ing bike! * your recent numbers. It was literally a crack town as in crack cocaine. 20 ****ing years ago. I know, I lived there, I was a casualty of said drug. Do some math. Remember I told y'all I ****ed up at the age of 17? Or are y'all to busy circle liking each other?

We've lost lock. The posts that this discussion came from have been deleted (I think). You lead me to believe that your hometown had been ruined by... non-white people. Crime was one of the things you cited. That'd mean looking at recent crime numbers for your hometown would it not? You posted that it was Lindbergh, so I went looking to see what the story was on Lindbergh as a town. Lindbergh seems to follow Atlanta's trends, so if you're making an argument about non-white people, it would need to apply to Atlanta.

Now you seem to be arguing that it's been bad for a long time. So are you saying that all those non-white people you didn't like screwed it up 20 years ago when you were a kid? I'm literally just trying to follow your own line of reasoning.

 

[UKMikey]

If you cannot check whether something is a fact, it isn't a fact.

 

[Famine]

Do I need to get Mrs ryzno to actually make a first post here and tell y'all how they screwed up her home town of Lilburn?

I've got a pin badge from the Waffle House in Lilburn I picked up in... hmm... 1997 maybe?

Friend of mine was born there and still lives there - she's in her 80s now - and her dad was saying the same thing 25 years ago. I recall his references to "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta". He was horribly racist.

 

[ryzno]

I've got a pin badge from the Waffle House in Lilburn I picked up in... hmm... 1997 maybe?

Friend of mine was born there and still lives there - she's in her 80s now - and her dad was saying the same thing 25 years ago. I recall his references to "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta". He was horribly racist.

Damn, I ain't even go there. Why gotta bring up some crap like that?

 

[Famine]

Damn, I ain't even go there. Why gotta bring up some crap like that?

Well, I know Waffle House isn't to everyone's tastes, but I quite liked the coffee.

 

[ryzno]

Well, I know Waffle House isn't to everyone's tastes, but I quite liked the coffee.

The Marta acronym you said... Just ban me. That's all you wanna do is piss me off enough to say something to you.

 

[Famine]

The Marta acronym you said...

Yes. That's what the racist, 80-year old man who lived in Lilburn called it, 25 years ago.

Just ban me. That's all you wanna do is piss me off enough to say something to you.

Firstly, I have better things to do. Secondly, I have better things to do. Thirdly, I have no idea why a racist old man saying racist stuff 25 years ago is supposed to piss you off. Why even would it?

Lastly, you're just not important enough to me to be awake at 1am trying to provoke you. I don't even know why you're provoked this time, but it just seems like you get provoked by virtually anything.

 

[Pupik]

Well, I know Waffle House isn't to everyone's tastes, but I quite liked the coffee.

Pro tip: Never watch the staff drain the fryer oil.

 

[ryzno]

Thirdly, I have no idea why a racist old man saying racist stuff 25 years ago is supposed to piss you off.

That didn't piss me off. It's your refusing to acknowledge Tex harasses me.

 

[Famine]

That didn't piss me off. It's your refusing to acknowledge Tex harasses me.

What in the name of the Space Pope does that have to do with any part of the conversation where you got rustled after me quoting a racist old man in the 1990s? Look. This is WHAT YOU SAID in response to WHAT I SAID:

Do I need to get Mrs ryzno to actually make a first post here and tell y'all how they screwed up her home town of Lilburn?

I've got a pin badge from the Waffle House in Lilburn I picked up in... hmm... 1997 maybe?

Friend of mine was born there and still lives there - she's in her 80s now - and her dad was saying the same thing 25 years ago. I recall his references to "Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta". He was horribly racist.

Damn, I ain't even go there. Why gotta bring up some crap like that?

Well, I know Waffle House isn't to everyone's tastes, but I quite liked the coffee.

The Marta acronym you said... Just ban me. That's all you wanna do is piss me off enough to say something to you.

You literally objected to the Marta acronym (and I know this, because you said acronym, when you were actually kicking off about an expansion). It says it right there: "The Marta acronym you said". You said it was me saying stuff to piss you off enough to "say something" to me. You literally stated you felt provoked by it, to the point of reporting it for "racism", and now you're pretending it didn't even happen!

Where does TexRex even come into that? How are you just flopping from what's actually here on the page to just some random crap in your head that's unrelated to anything? This is absolute nonsense. How is anyone supposed to converse with you when you're having imaginary conversations about stuff that hasn't happened and literally denying what has happened?

[predicts a response heavy on the victim card, "I ain't as clever as y'all with typing", or similar, if even coherent]

 

[TexRex]

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI), confronted by the crazy he helped to cultivate, lets slip that fraud didn't take Trump's victory and instead that it was Trump's fault.



This was Ron in December:

Ron Johnson's Senate hearing elevates baseless claims of election fraud

Lawmakers bickered heatedly at times during a committee hearing as Democrats pushed back against the unfounded allegations.

madison.com

 

[TexRex]

Aaaaand some January 6th Select Committee stuff, which is somewhat removed from the election results challenge stuff even if the two are rooted in the 2020 presidential election.



And here's some shallow dive legal analysis (I really hope this is covered on tomorrow's All The President's Lawyers, but it's probably been recorded already):



It's a relatively short thread. The thrust is that there actually are legal procedures if a party (the general term for entities involved, not a political party) alleges subpoenas constitute overreach and Joseph...dammit...Kevin McCarthy may or may not be taking that path, but he's definitely attempting to intimidate by alluding to government action against telecommunications companies that comply with subpoenas. MTG above does a bit more than allude.

Ken also cites 18 US Code § 1505:

Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees

Whoever, with intent to avoid, evade, prevent, or obstruct compliance, in whole or in part, with any civil investigative demand duly and properly made under the Antitrust Civil Process Act, willfully withholds, misrepresents, removes from any place, conceals, covers up, destroys, mutilates, alters, or by other means falsifies any documentary material, answers to written interrogatories, or oral testimony, which is the subject of such demand; or attempts to do so or solicits another to do so; or

Whoever corruptly, or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication influences, obstructs, or impedes or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede the due and proper administration of the law under which any pending proceeding is being had before any department or agency of the United States, or the due and proper exercise of the power of inquiry under which any inquiry or investigation is being had by either House, or any committee of either House or any joint committee of the Congress—

Shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

This is the sort of behavior you'd expect of someone with something to hide.

 

[Danoff]

Aaaaand some January 6th Select Committee stuff, which is somewhat removed from the election results challenge stuff even if the two are rooted in the 2020 presidential election.



And here's some shallow dive legal analysis (I really hope this is covered on tomorrow's All The President's Lawyers, but it's probably been recorded already):



It's a relatively short thread. The thrust is that there actually are legal procedures if a party (the general term for entities involved, not a political party) alleges subpoenas constitute overreach and Joseph...dammit...Kevin McCarthy may or may not be taking that path, but he's definitely attempting to intimidate by alluding to government action against telecommunications companies that comply with subpoenas. MTG above does a bit more than allude.

Ken also cites 18 US Code § 1505:

This is the sort of behavior you'd expect of someone with something to hide.

I hate that it has come to this - open threats of retaliation against private companies by government. It's so... third world dictatorship. It's not what America is supposed to be. These a terrible people and it's friggin' depressing that they're in our government...

 

[TheHun99]

I hate that it has come to this - open threats of retaliation against private companies by government. It's so... third world dictatorship. It's not what America is supposed to be. These a terrible people and it's friggin' depressing that they're in our government...

It's incredible how gullible people are. They don't recognize that they're rooting for a dictatorship. As my girls just watched the Harry Potter movies (after reading the books, of course), it reminds me of the Inquisitorial Squad (instead of mentioning IRL organizations). For a short time these effing idiots wanna be strongmen and act violently against anyone they don't like their looks. They will certainly enjoy it, up until the point when they would be held to gunpoint because of their alleged crimes against the system they helped create... I'm scared to death about the future of my daughters. They are obviously in indoctrination camp as I learned it today, they learn about the ideals that created this country, Hell, I'm even at the point to look around what exactly I need to start the naturalization process for myself and my wife to become a citizen of this country. Now, the question is whether there would be a country, at all by that time...

 

[ryzno]

Now, the question is whether there would be a country, at all by that time..

We'll still be around.

 

[Imari]

We'll still be around.

Yes, and so will the other half of America that you're in a civil war with. You know, the ones who were trying to dismantle your way of life and everything you stand for.

But which one is the real America? I say America because by that point the qualifier "United States" will obviously be ridiculous.

 

[Blitz24]

Yes, and so will the other half of America that you're in a civil war with. You know, the ones who were trying to dismantle your way of life and everything you stand for.

But which one is the real America? I say America because by that point the qualifier "United States" will obviously be ridiculous.

Well, the land will still be here, at least what's higher than sea level.

The people? That's up for discussion.

 

[TexRex]

They don't recognize that they're rooting for a dictatorship.

Or worse, they do recognize it and they're rooting for it because they see it as being on their side.

Some 28 percent of Republicans respond affirmatively to the proposition that “because things have gotten so far off track” in the U.S., “true American patriots may have to resort to violence” to save the country.

Maybe that’s not so bad? Not even a third. Another poll framed it differently: “The traditional American way of life is disappearing so fast that we may have to use force to save it.” Fifty-six percent of Republicans agreed.

The Party of Violence

Across the country, Republicans are threatening to use force.

www.thebulwark.com

...

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) insists he never went on national television to contest election results like Hillary did.



Jim Jordan is a ****ing liar.

Jim Jordan recently told POLITICO Playbook that he took a call with Trump--and was reportedly joined by Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) in doing so--in a safe room during the attack on the Capitol on the 6th, after having told a Spectrum News reporter in a very curious interview that he didn't know when he spoke with Trump. Jordan's speech hastened and rose in pitch considerably (as if trying to eak out a few more syllables before passing out) during the interview as he repeatedly claimed to have no recollection of when he spoke with Trump.

Smooth.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

What else has the ****er lied about?

 

[TheHun99]

We'll still be around.

We highly disagree on this topic. All I can see that the GOP and their base do everything in their might to destroy the very country they supposedly love so much and going against those sacred core values they say they so want to preserve. So yeah. the right is pushing really hard for another civil war, it's more and more publicly disclosed, it seems to be their clear goal. If this happens, we'll see (maybe not us specifically, of course) how much they will be happy when they and their families, friends are killed in the process and they realize that it maybe wasn't that good of an idea to actively and willingly destroy everything they're supposedly standing for. So yeah, you'll be around but that smile won't be an honest one.

 

[Danoff]

We highly disagree on this topic. All I can see that the GOP and their base do everything in their might to destroy the very country they supposedly love so much and going against those sacred core values they say they so want to preserve. So yeah. the right is pushing really hard for another civil war, it's more and more publicly disclosed, it seems to be their clear goal. If this happens, we'll see (maybe not us specifically, of course) how much they will be happy when they and their families, friends are killed in the process and they realize that it maybe wasn't that good of an idea to actively and willingly destroy everything they're supposedly standing for. So yeah, you'll be around but that smile won't be an honest one.

There's not going to be a civil war. Whoever controls the military controls the country. The important part is to not let pro-dictatorship republicans control the military.

 

[TheHun99]

There's not going to be a civil war. Whoever controls the military controls the country. The important part is to not let pro-dictatorship republicans control the military.

I really hope there won't be but as per the article @TexRex quoted - and I read a few weeks ago another article about polls where GOP supporters were all for violence to put the US back on their version of being a proper country - there's more and more politically motivated violence and it seems so far that it's not going away but escalate more and more. Whether it would end up in full blown war, I don't know.

Being as white as one can be, living in a peaceful suburban area, working from my basement and not traveling due to COVID as i used to I'm not confronted directly with these issues apart from the occasional full size pickup with (typically 3) larger-than-life "**** Biden and **** who voted for him" flags. Of course, as soon as I open my mouth, it becomes clear that I'm an immigrant, a legal one at that who has never been an illegal one at all, not even for a second - but I'm bound to meet at one point people who won't be particularly tolerant. Of course, I'm 5'11' and 290 pounds, let's just say, I have a presence but that won't keep everyone away from being an idiot. I hope nothing like that happens but it doesn't look good.

If I get to be citizen, I will put in my vote to not let these people anywhere close to power.