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Please read what I wrote, again. I simply said keep it private. Don't go around teaching it like it's normal or okay.
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hogger129
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No, it's never acceptable. I'm simply not going to complain about it if it's kept private though.
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No you misunderstood me. The fact that they are not accepting my beliefs - by his same logic - would make him an intolerant bigot also.
lol too late.
Kids will find out one way or another, better to have them informed than traumatized. And how is it that people cannot openly say they have a relationships? straight couples do and I see no reason why gay couples don't, there are homosexual pairings in nature no is not counter natural, Greeks didn't gave a 🤬 about homosexual couples and how come that 3000 or so years later people have become more ... ignorant.
I blame the church, which is the universal reason for which the whole homophobic affair happens.
The problem in a mayor scale is nurturing, namely the basis that society set for a baseline behaviour, which sadly include that member of opposite sex must pair instead of considering the possibility of same sex relationships. Since said society baselines have been created by the church, it is logical to assume that the whole baseline behaviour by which is set by Christians (which disrupted Imperial Rome believe system by the introduction of an only god, and redemption and forgiveness, etc..) and so, it is wrong.
It's 2013 for FFS, people would have to be pretty damn ignorant to take issue with something that is not even an issue.
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I don't think it's intolerant for me to be pointing out that your worldview is flawed, and that you're arguing an intolerant position (cause you know, Jesus was real big on intolerance). The difference is I'm not sitting here saying that you shouldn't be able to teach your kids about your religion, and I'm not saying that religious people should keep it to themselves and only practice in their house.
The other difference is I don't vote for or advocate laws that would restrict people's rights based on something as arbitrary as which religion they believe in or what parts they like.
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So is that the only reason you have sex? What about couples that are infertile? What about anal and oral sex? Are those things that shouldn't be allowed to be considered OK?
Straight is "normal" in the sense that the majority of the population are straight. Abnormal doesn't mean immoral, or wrong.
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There's more discussion in this statement than you'd think, but this isn't the thread for it. If you want to hear it, brace yourself for epic wall o' text during which the democratic party and leftists in general will be mentioned in a negative sense.
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IF you define 'normal' as; something that is common among more then 50% of an entire species, then yes, he is right. Streight = more normal then the opposition.
IF you define 'normal' as; something that is common among most of a community, then no, because that depends on where you live. As in, the bible-belt vs. San Francisco, lol.
However, farting in public, scratching your ass, drinking alcohol, speeding 5 mph over the speed limit, having sex for pleasure and not to procreate, being poor, using religions to explain why wageing war is OK, wanting/coveting what others have, and a million other things, also fall under your definition. So you are saying, because something is normal, that its morally right?
IF you define 'normal' as; something that is common among most of a community, then no, because that depends on where you live. As in, the bible-belt vs. San Francisco, lol.
However, farting in public, scratching your ass, drinking alcohol, speeding 5 mph over the speed limit, having sex for pleasure and not to procreate, being poor, using religions to explain why wageing war is OK, wanting/coveting what others have, and a million other things, also fall under your definition. So you are saying, because something is normal, that its morally right?
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If only this is where you stopped.
Let's start here. You don't care what they do, you just wanted them painted with symbolic a scarlett G and treated as a pariah. So loving.
And of course there is the equal rights thing, where you would prevent gay marriage, and refuse to recognize it as a legitimate relationship, no matter the law.
Fine. You try keeping your relationship behind closed doors only. Don't talk about it and don't tell kids your lifestyle is normal or acceptable. No, it doesn't matter how you feel about it, only that some consider it not natural.
I understand this completely. My dad hated finding out that I was being told that biracial relationships were acceptable and normal, primarily because there was a biracial girl in my class. You can only imagine how he felt when he found out she was the daughter of his cousin.
See, I understand from experience. I think you're wrong, but I understand. God help you if a family member comes out as gay.
The First Amendment also says there shall be "no law respecting an establishment of religion."
Now, let's talk about why you think gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.
Or, you can avoid it again. Your call.
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Normally I might not even bother to post here, but it seems to me pretty much everyone except this new guy everyone doesn't like is equating "gay rights" with the civil rights movement. No. No, no, no, no.
Check it. Some scientists did research and you know what? There wasn't any trace of a gay gene anywhere. Quick page but it contains the basic point. Cliffs: a lot of people say it's not a choice, but science is having a real hard time figuring out why it's not a choice. Personally, I think it is. A lot of things are choices that don't feel like it.
And that's true even if there is a gay gene. A lot of other things might be genetic too, like aggression and traditionalism. Tendencies that can be fought down if the situation requires it. Tendencies that, in many cases, the law either snubs or makes us fight down, for various reasons. Also don't forget about brain plasticity - both internal and external factors can change the way we think and behave. From what I've heard, this can happen at any age, even without us noticing.
TL;DR: Even strong urges, genetic or otherwise, can be fought - and successfully. Something doesn't automatically become right just because you think your DNA is telling you to do it. If you want to argue that homosexuality is right, or that the government should accomodate it the same way it accomodates heterosexual marriage, then fine, let's have that debate. But stop saying that homosexuality is as genetic as the color of a person's skin.
Check it. Some scientists did research and you know what? There wasn't any trace of a gay gene anywhere. Quick page but it contains the basic point. Cliffs: a lot of people say it's not a choice, but science is having a real hard time figuring out why it's not a choice. Personally, I think it is. A lot of things are choices that don't feel like it.
And that's true even if there is a gay gene. A lot of other things might be genetic too, like aggression and traditionalism. Tendencies that can be fought down if the situation requires it. Tendencies that, in many cases, the law either snubs or makes us fight down, for various reasons. Also don't forget about brain plasticity - both internal and external factors can change the way we think and behave. From what I've heard, this can happen at any age, even without us noticing.
TL;DR: Even strong urges, genetic or otherwise, can be fought - and successfully. Something doesn't automatically become right just because you think your DNA is telling you to do it. If you want to argue that homosexuality is right, or that the government should accomodate it the same way it accomodates heterosexual marriage, then fine, let's have that debate. But stop saying that homosexuality is as genetic as the color of a person's skin.
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If you actually could read, you'd notice no one has been saying it is genetic. What they have been saying it isn't a choice, which means it can come down to psychological factors. You've tried to use science to generate an argument that basically states people choose to be gay and they should stop choosing to be gay.
The analogy of your argument is someone's favorite color is blue. They've always loved that color, irregardless. Is there a blue gene? Probably not.
Likewise, do you intentionally choose to sound so wildly ignorant all the time? Do you unintentionally choose to make everything some left versus right discussion?
But more importantly, why should God come into what the Government does, and why should your dated and flawed religion serve as the basis for law? Why is it any of your God Damn business, and why do you get to declare something "wrong" because it makes you uncomfortable? We all know you have huge issues with anything you don't agree with or understand, ranging from cars that aren't crappy J-bodies to cartoons, seems this is, unsurprisingly, the same.
The analogy of your argument is someone's favorite color is blue. They've always loved that color, irregardless. Is there a blue gene? Probably not.
Likewise, do you intentionally choose to sound so wildly ignorant all the time? Do you unintentionally choose to make everything some left versus right discussion?
But more importantly, why should God come into what the Government does, and why should your dated and flawed religion serve as the basis for law? Why is it any of your God Damn business, and why do you get to declare something "wrong" because it makes you uncomfortable? We all know you have huge issues with anything you don't agree with or understand, ranging from cars that aren't crappy J-bodies to cartoons, seems this is, unsurprisingly, the same.
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Fighting what you feel is a choice.
What you feel in the first place is not a choice. If it was there wouldn't be a fight.
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You know you're in for a good genetics lecture when it opens:
Incidentally, there's no such thing as "a black gene" either. Have fun with that one.
Every genetics lecture I had in four years over my two degrees in genetics started in that manner.
Incidentally, there's no such thing as "a black gene" either. Have fun with that one.
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