The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Liquid]

@Omnis I remember posting some years ago on FB that I'd like to see adverts where there are gay couples who are doing the everyday activities like the straight couples do in adverts for, let's say, washing powder or gravy. It got shot down as unnecessary and not a real issue and that adverts with just straight people or adverts where only the straight people are doing activities are fine.

 

[Joel]

No, but seriously: I'm tired of all this lovey dovey crap on the little bit of TV that I watch. Doesn't matter whether it's gay or straight. But I do notice that the gay roles almost always play it up. Don't you guys think it's a little ridiculous?

I tend to agree here. I get why they do it (cash in on the positive PR and make sure we know they're gay and not just room mates or buddies) but it's kinda silly. I think it'll change over time though, right now it's a very new thing that gay couples exist on TV and in commercials.

 

[FoolKiller]

Ironically the levels of gonnorrhea are around the same, but HIV infections are rising at a much higher rate in Russia than in the US, a factor in which many health professionals in Russia are saying is a result of homosexual men not wanting to discuss medical issues for fear of persecution.

I just had a 1980's flashback.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I don't like that the media uses stereotypes of the LGBT point blank. What results from that is people who haven't met an LGBTetc person to treat them differently because of "what they saw on TV". Super-stipor-positive? Another thing that I dislike. Nobody can't be that positive all the time, especially when the TV stops and reality hits. Some are just unaware of what LGBTetc people deal with and still deal with now. The media is just frankly annoying, hence why I haven't used my cable box in months.

Or maybe I'm just being a bit of a pessimist.

Aren't the media just following the natural cycle that all minority groups eventually go through in the media? First they don't exist, then they exist as somewhat outrageus stereotypes often in comedic roles, a comfort level eventually sets in and then [insert minority group here] is finally represented in the media in all the same situations and circumstances as everyone else. I do find most mainstream commercial media annoying though, and rarely imbibe.

 

[Scaff]

@kanyegt - Your posts have been deleted and a warning issued. Your total volume of posts here at GT Planet pretty much all fall well below the standard we expect from members. Either start posting in a constructive manner or leave.

 

[Daniel]

I had an interesting scenario at work which ended with me subtly coming out to a co-worker (it was along the lines of "You should get her number." "Nah, not interested." "Why?" "She's a girl"). And it got me thinking of the whole process of coming out of the closet. Coming out is never a thing where you can "get it over and done with" because along the line, you're gonna be meeting new people and making new friends. And unless you want to hide a significant part of your life, you're gonna have to come out to them at some point. I always find it difficult coming out because I'm worried about what people think, even though I put up a bravado of "eh, it's no big deal," even though it is. I wait for opportune moments because I don't want to risk confrontation and making things awkward.

How does everyone here deal with constantly coming out?

 

[Carbonox]

Gay marriage just got legalized up here in the land of the polar bears.

 

[FoolKiller]

I had an interesting scenario at work which ended with me subtly coming out to a co-worker (it was along the lines of "You should get her number." "Nah, not interested." "Why?" "She's a girl"). And it got me thinking of the whole process of coming out of the closet. Coming out is never a thing where you can "get it over and done with" because along the line, you're gonna be meeting new people and making new friends. And unless you want to hide a significant part of your life, you're gonna have to come out to them at some point. I always find it difficult coming out because I'm worried about what people think, even though I put up a bravado of "eh, it's no big deal," even though it is. I wait for opportune moments because I don't want to risk confrontation and making things awkward.

How does everyone here deal with constantly coming out?

Truth be told, I've found out about more friends being gay because of situations like that, where I would blatantly say, "you'd prefer a guy?". Either the person is gay and says yes or not and it becomes a funny joke. It's how I found out my dorm mate was gay. I was unpacking and asked if he had a girlfriend. He said no and I then asked, "boyfriend?" He said, "not right now," and that was it.

Gay or straight, same rules apply in roommate situations.

 

[Lizard]

I always find it difficult coming out because I'm worried about what people think,

I know what you mean. I am not gay but other things mean I understand where you are coming from.

 

[Dan]

I'm not worried about coming out to my immediate family, since they seem to accept LGBT people. Well, at least my mother is. I never discussed it with my dad, but I don't think he'll be mad about it.

The problem is, I don't know when it would be acceptable to actually come out. I've been wanting to tell them for a while, but I haven't figured out when I should. Perhaps on my eighteenth birthday, which is Valentine's Day. 💡

 

[FoolKiller]

I'm not worried about coming out to my immediate family, since they seem to accept LGBT people. Well, at least my mother is. I never discussed it with my dad, but I don't think he'll be mad about it.

The problem is, I don't know when it would be acceptable to actually come out. I've been wanting to tell them for a while, but I haven't figured out when I should. Perhaps on my eighteenth birthday, which is Valentine's Day. 💡

Christmas dinner with the entire extended family, or a family funeral?

Sorry. If you are worried that they might react negatively do it sometime other than a special day like your birthday, where that day could be ruined from that point on if things go bad. If you have no fear that they will be fine with it then your birthday is a safe way to approach it without sounding as if you were hiding it from them.

 

[TenEightyOne]

As @FoolKiller says, it might make sense to avoid a notable anniversary if you feel that things may not go well.

I'd wait until a few days after your 18th, that seems the most timely choice. Your mother may already know, of course, be prepared for that. It's not until you get older that you realise how super-giftedly devious mothers are. Terrifying, actually.

 

[Daniel]

As @FoolKiller says, it might make sense to avoid a notable anniversary if you feel that things may not go well.

I'd wait until a few days after your 18th, that seems the most timely choice. Your mother may already know, of course, be prepared for that. It's not until you get older that you realise how super-giftedly devious mothers are. Terrifying, actually.

Mum never knew about me. Then again, I'm not one that's assumed to be gay.

 

[Rich S]

Christmas dinner with the entire extended family, or a family funeral?

Sorry. If you are worried that they might react negatively do it sometime other than a special day like your birthday, where that day could be ruined from that point on if things go bad. If you have no fear that they will be fine with it then your birthday is a safe way to approach it without sounding as if you were hiding it from them.

I think B-day in my culture would be the way to go. Where I come from you are the commander & dictator on your birthday. X-mas is about family and "tradition."

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think B-day in my culture would be the way to go. Where I come from you are the commander & dictator on your birthday. X-mas is about family and "tradition."

We use lavatory paper here, we're terribly old fashioned. We have them in hotels of course but most of us use them to wash our shoes

I think the risk of making The Announcement on a celebration day like Christmas or a birthday is that if events go badly then you have a particular anniversary of it. You might risk spoiling that anniversary for years to come.

 

[FoolKiller]

I think B-day in my culture would be the way to go. Where I come from you are the commander & dictator on your birthday.

I don't know why, but I immediately thought of this.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I may have been wound up here but I was always told that "B-day" was because the US don't like to use the french spelling? If not that what does it mean? Birthday?

EDIT: Apparently so. Not sure why though, it's no easier than saying "birthday". You and your odd language

 

[FoolKiller]

I may have been wound up here but I was always told that "B-day" was because the US don't like to use the french spelling? If not that what does it mean? Birthday?

EDIT: Apparently so. Not sure why though, it's no easier than saying "birthday". You and your odd language

I have no clue what you are talking about.

We say birthday. B-Day is no different than froyo. We have nothing against the full word. We're just lazy.

Just to prove the point.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I have no clue what you are talking about.

We say birthday. B-Day is no different than froyo. We have nothing against the full word. We're just lazy.

Just to prove the point.

I don't know what a froyo is either I've seen "XMas", it gets used here, but it's prounounced "ecksmas". Given that an X is a cross I'm not sure how it's meant to mean "christ-mass"

And those signs say Birthday. I shall take my esteemed Houstonian colleague to task on bidets tomorrow and see what she says. Damn her.

EDIT: So which is it in the US - toilet roll or bidet?

 

[FoolKiller]

I don't know what a froyo is either I've seen "XMas", it gets used here, but it's prounounced "ecksmas". Given that an X is a cross I'm not sure how it's meant to mean "christ-mass"

And those signs say Birthday. I shall take my esteemed Houstonian colleague to task on bidets tomorrow and see what she says. Damn her.

Cut your friend some slack. It could be regional. Coke and Soda are the same depending on where you are. Froyo is more common in places like California. I never use it. I'm not too lazy for zen and gurt, or irth for that matter. It's the destruction of the English language.

Xmas is part of the war on Christmas. Haven't you heard? It removes Christ from Christmas. Just ask any very conservative Christian or Fox News correspondent and they will tell you all about it.

EDIT: So which is it in the US - toilet roll or bidet?

The thing used to clean your backside with water is a bidet. They are rarely used here. I try to convince my wife to let us get one at least once a year.

Toilet roll? Is that toilet paper, aka bathroom tissue for wiping your backside with?. Toilet paper is common usage and what most Americans use with nothing else (savages).

We also have flushable wet wipes.

I believe we are far off topic at this point. This needs to be continued elsewhere, if necessary.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I believe we are far off topic at this point. This needs to be continued elsewhere, if necessary.

Yup, apologies mods... it was a slow news day apart from Muslims

 

[Liquid]

Xmas is part of the war on Christmas. Haven't you heard? It removes Christ from Christmas. Just ask any very conservative Christian or Fox News correspondent and they will tell you all about it.

Are they even aware that Xmas is Xmas because that is the first letter of 'Christ' in the Greek language the name Christ originates? Χριστός (Christos) means 'anointed'. Incidentally Christ isn't his surname it's a title and his name is really Jesus The Christ. Somehow that crucial definite article qualifier has been lost over the years.

To keep things on topic, here's what Jesus said about homosexuality;

... ... ...

 

[FoolKiller]

Are they even aware that Xmas is Xmas because that is the first letter of 'Christ' in the Greek language the name Christ originates? Χριστός (Christos) means 'anointed'.

We are talking about the same people who think allowing a gay couple to get married somehow diminishes their own marriage.

Incidentally Christ isn't his surname it's a title and his name is really Jesus The Christ. Somehow that crucial definite article qualifier has been lost over the years.

While that is true, and many don't know that, in the context of Christmas, or Christ Mass, the mass of the Christ, a religious person being offended that the term Christ is removed from the holiday makes sense if they are unaware of the Greek origins behind Xmas.

To keep things on topic, here's what Jesus said about homosexuality;

But he hates figs.

 

[Brett]

Are they even aware that Xmas is Xmas because that is the first letter of 'Christ' in the Greek language the name Christ originates? Χριστός (Christos) means 'anointed'. Incidentally Christ isn't his surname it's a title and his name is really Jesus The Christ. Somehow that crucial definite article qualifier has been lost over the years.

To keep things on topic, here's what Jesus said about homosexuality;

Do not bring that kind of logic in here. That kind of stuff is not allowed.

 

[TenEightyOne]

To keep things on topic, here's what Jesus said about homosexuality;

...

Now that's a very interesting point. Corinthians 6:9-11 is often mistranslated to include a reference to homosexuals. That's not McJesus of course, but I give him retro-blame for the lot. I believe the original word is "malaki", normally translated as "soft", "fey" or "effeminate". There's even some doubt as to whether the adjective was even completely masculine, it may have meant women... which wouldn't be surprising as we know that Judaism splits the genders in worship.

EDIT: Link

 

[Lizard]

Something I found. Quite relevent.

If homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural then why is celibacy fine? They say that it is so they can devote themself to god but that doesn't make it any more natural.

 

[Famine]

Something I found. Quite relevent.

And quite wrong.

 

[Liquid]

You were doing so well. I do believe the standard routine is to document the thousands of species known to engage in homosexuality and then point out that homophobia has only been documented in one species; human.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Neddo]

I don't know but this has to be one of the most active topics on this site lol

 

[G.T.Ace]

And quite wrong.

That's not a celibacy (the, more or less, voluntary abstinence), but a born with asexuality.