The Homosexuality Discussion Thread
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- Johnnypenso
What's the irony?
I clearly remember Elton John announcing he was bisexual when I was in high school in the mid to late 70's and I can remember talking with my friends in the 70's about it and how that might or might not affect his career. Presumably she was one half of his bisexual attraction.
If you assume someone is straight you'll be right 90+% of the time so I'm guessing that presumption will stick around until one individual makes it clear it's not true in their particular case.
Joel
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- Noob616
That's he's saying the media attention about these guys getting married is silly and excessive while telling us about them getting married.
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- G_ASHER
I have a friend who's way gay. The only problem I have with that is when he tries to tell me about his latest escapade. But then, if he were a woman, I would not like hearing about her sexual activity either. I am just tired this whole issue being splashed across the news everyday.
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- TPDisney
Define "way gay" how is someone "way gay" and if you don't like hearing about his experiences, say that you're happy he's having fun, but you're not comfortable hearing about it, communication is key, once the boundaries are set then everything should be much more smooth.
And tired of what issue, exactly?
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- G_ASHER
He has a very "effervescent" personality, outgoing, dramatic, just pretty much over the top. When I wrote "way gay" I just didn't put a lot of thought into my words. He can be a bit co-dependent and try to break through the boundaries I have set. It's not much of a problem anymore.
I just thought, what if I wrote "way straight" that sounds pretty bad. Sorry.
The "issue" is that I am tired of the media painting people as gay this or that, among other things. Maybe its different in the UK. It's as if that is the most important part of the person---so not true. We're all human beings, were just people, they should stop focusing on our differences and work on bringing us together.
I just thought, what if I wrote "way straight" that sounds pretty bad. Sorry.
The "issue" is that I am tired of the media painting people as gay this or that, among other things. Maybe its different in the UK. It's as if that is the most important part of the person---so not true. We're all human beings, were just people, they should stop focusing on our differences and work on bringing us together.
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Scaff I think the answer to the catholic issue is to put GPS chips on these priests and let them go about their business away from children.
You have asked me to provide a variety of links to a variety of topics, so saying that is is off topic is pretty easy.
And again, the point I made before is that we hold children accountable for sex crimes. Is this wrong? It depends on your opinion but I think that this issue is more complex than is made out to be by the mainstream science. The mainstream studies focus on anxiety, depression, psychopathology that is caused by this issue.
But the world health organization has said up to 50% of people suffer some form of mental disorder at some point! I think that this issue is a moral panic and emotions take charge ahead of reason.
Let me ask you a question: Whats the end game for the catholic priests? Should we execute them? Should we imprison them for life having no criminal record (some haven't even a parking ticket) and ignore all the good charitable work they've done over the decades? Should we sterilize them?
I think imprisoning large populations is a detriment to society as a whole especially if these people have proven an asset to society and I think the church at this point is a moral asset. What morality have secularists managed to enforce besides gay rights? If science (reputable not crackpot studies and if a gay rights advocate says there are no crackpot studies that is laughable)
Proves mental instability of these victims than this is a problem that can easily be controlled by limiting access to children convicted priests, teachers, doctors, coaches, etc, etc. But to concentrate high achievers, at the cost of the state is a poor mistake especially considering the growing list of sex crimes we have involving children in my opinion.
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Yes. We currently have a zero tolerance policy that is self-conflicting. If children aren't legally able to consent to sex as an adult then they cannot be guilty for their own sexual behavior that they have not been coerced into by an adult.
[quote-2Let me ask you a question: Whats the end game for the catholic priests? Should we execute them? Should we imprison them for life having no criminal record (some haven't even a parking ticket) and ignore all the good charitable work they've done over the decades? Should we sterilize them?[/quote]
I'm going to take a guess that the answer is somewhere between nothing and your extreme suggestions here. No one has suggested execution, life in prison, or sterilization in this conversation. Each case is its own individual situation. The larger picture is the culture of the Catholic Church in unknowingly harboring these individuals, and then knowingly hiding the crimes.
So if a neurosurgeon shoots a couple people he is excused from 1st degree murder charges and punishments because he has saved thousands of lives and would go on to save more if he is allowed to continue living his life as if nothing happened?
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You left one option out - man telling you about escapades with a woman. Hmmmm..... See generally we think about the object of affection in a story, which in that case would be a woman.
Why do you call it an "issue"? To be continued......
Your words describe a stereotype of gay traits - a stereotype that is a logical one, because there are genuinely plenty of "effervescent" gay men. In no way does it actually describe gay though.
What's wrong with "way straight"? Some people are actually more and less likely to be open to a same sex relationship or experience, by degrees. Personally I don't have a problem with "way gay" or "way straight". Only, with the former you've got the wrong idea about what should attract the term, and with the latter you're likely attaching equal opposite generalised fallacies. To me, they are simply people that are at extreme opposite ends of the spectrum.
..... To be blunt, I think you call it an issue because you're uncomfortable with the idea of man on man, and I think that media mentions stick out to you because you're uncomfortable with it.
"It takes different strokes to move the world" - I think difference is brilliant, why should we not talk about it? Now there certainly are more and less interesting differences. I find sexual orientation quite a mundane one to be honest. It seems that you don't though, so rather than let it pass you by, you take stock of it. If I'm right and in truth you are uncomfortable with homosexuality, I think you're better off being honest (with yourself at least) rather than bumbling around feigning acceptance. If I'm wrong, I apologise, but I stand by my view on the position that I believe you to be in, and would put it to anyone else that is genuinely in that position.
Homosexuality is not about anal sex, oral sex, guys kissing, holding hands. It is an utterly flavourless human trait, and in that base form I cannot fathom why people have such a hard time with acceptance. Beyond that base form it tends to stop being about homosexuality, and increasingly about a complex mess of the observer's flavour's of choice. So I say, best to accept the easily accepted, and deal with one's own narcissistic projections onto others without giving grief to those others.
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That article's slightly confused. Constitutional Law sits on English Law and therefore goes back to 1215... true Originalists trace their arguments back to there.
As I understand it the "intention in law" is only queried when a statutory or constitutional statement is unclear. I doubt any court would hold much truck with a debate on citizenship or the protection of it from State-level interference.
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Showing a lack of intention in law is not the same as showing a specific denial of action. One could argue with South Carolina that women should not be allowed to be spaceship pilots; clearly that intention was never considered by the framers either.
This smacks to me of South Carolina making a fight it knows it can't win for the publicity of the fight itself.
EDIT: There's some interesting Due Process history in SCOTUS cases too that make me think this new file might lack standing.
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There are days when being from Kentucky doesn't feel so bad. Our Attorney General refused to represent the state in their gay marriage lawsuit. South Carolina's chose to defend the state and claim a right to further segregation based on an argument that we have refused to accept as a whole nation since before WWII, and since before the 20th century in some parts of the nation.
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I think in cases of Jerry Sundusky life imprisonment is correct but I also believe in reducing the number that we "house" I think there should be a cap on incarceration. I think the cap should be set at a percentage of total census data. Law enforcement wants to target sex offenders and try and arrest all that's fine but I dont want millions of people concentrated, I dont feel comfortable with that personally. I dont believe government has proven itself trustworthy enough or responsible enough to do this yet. 5,000 years from now things will probably be a lot different but for now I think its better to cap it.
Many of the sex offenders (not all but a lot) haven't really done much to prove that they are an outright psychotic danger. A spree shooter has proven this. A convicted pedophile with an GPS tag is quite safe. Sex offenders have low recidivism. A spree shooter is very unstable. The woman who got angry in the heat of the moment and stabbed her husband is probably safe to let out as it can be proven that it is not a 1st degree murder or motivated by money. If it can be proven it was pre-meditated than the person perhaps is a danger.
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- TenEightyOne
Source?
This study suggests otherwise.
What if the number of people who should be segregated from free society exceeds that arbitrary cap?
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- TPDisney
So he's a very extroverted person, some are some aren't its no biggie, it's just how he expresses himself. He may be your friend but you need to be stern, if he tries to talk about it just say "No, I don't want to hear it"
Unfortunately it's our differences that put us in the media, if we were deemed the same then there wouldn't be any new about us. and there would be crap stories breaking the headlines like this beauty..
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- Crash852
Originalism in the United States at least holds that the intention and meaning of that particular constitution, amendment or law is fixed as to the time of enactment. In this case, the meaning and intention of the 14th Amendment would be fixed to the mid-1800s, according to originalists.
However, numerous SCOTUS decisions have affirmed and relied on the opinion that the Equal Protection Clause applies to more than just race, and precedent is binding unless the SCOTUS overturns it.
Indeed, and that's what South Carolina would argue, that if they wish to make a law that prohibit women from being a spaceship pilot, then they are free to do so, and in their opinion, would be constitutional, as the framers of the 14th Amendment were not thinking of women when they wrote it.
However, it seems like even Scalia has come around to at least not disagreeing that the Equal Protection Clause protects against government discrimination based on gender.
Also: Differences in legal opinion, even from the Originalist standpoint.
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That old study showed that overall re-arrest rate for sex offenders is lower than normal.
I believe in restorative justice whenever possible. Especially for non violent offenders.
For the drug users, do we need to house them in a warehouse at massive cost.....
I believe in police cooperation with all parties, not just cooperation with themselves. Read this story. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/23/local/la-me-rape-marriage-20110423
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Scaff
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Can we move this discussion to a new thread, as its well off topic and as such either start a new thread for it (I will move the existing comments over if needed) or I will have no choice but to clean the thread up (by which I mean delete off topic posts).
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Whenever I debate with someone who thinks being gay is wrong, I compare homosexuality to being left handed - it's not the most common outcome, but it's completely natural, it's how you're born, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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