The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

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I think homosexuality is:

  • a problem that needs to be cured.

    Votes: 88 6.0%
  • a sin against God/Nature.

    Votes: 145 9.8%
  • OK as long as they don't talk about it.

    Votes: 62 4.2%
  • OK for anybody.

    Votes: 416 28.2%
  • nobody's business but the people involved.

    Votes: 765 51.8%

  • Total voters
    1,476
It looks like Sec 11 cover that based on the comments, refusal to do you job gives you the right to go find another job at the hate bakery were only "their" kind is allowed.
Yes this is the thing that worries me because gays have passed anti discrimination laws since the 1970s even, and the natural push back reaction from the anti-gay crowd is to pass laws forcing discrimination by forcing large corporations to keep employees who refuse service to gays. :lol: I think this is where big companies like Walmart are worried, they do not want the republicans treading down this path as it makes their life very difficult. :crazy:
 
DCP
Hmm, heard of false christians, the falling away and the apostasy in the churches before the end times?
Yes, even Shakespeare mentioned them in one of his more anti-Semitic moments.

Anyone can say they are a christian, by their own standards? Perhaps you could use these verses. Trust you also enjoyed service today...:)
Good Friday services here aren't for a few hours, and with flash flooding, and possible tornados, it is a big question as to whether or not we can safely make it as it is.

After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, "Hear and understand. 11"It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." 12Then the disciples came and said to Him, "Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?"…

I just so love that last part about being offended....:)

If a true Christian believes in Christ, he would have done so, because he should understand the importance:

3Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." 4Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?" 5Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.…That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.…

Oh how I see so many intellegent blokes like Nicodemus today. A christian like you would understand that Jesus changed the law. You would know exactly what Jesus is talking about in the above verse.
You quoted Leviticus. I'm pointing out the issues with Leviticus as a whole. If you wish I can go through the Letters to the Corinthians and find all sorts of things too.

For example: You shouldn't deny your spouse sex. In fact lack of sex should only be through mutual consent.

1 Corinthians 7:4-5
4 The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife.5 Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

To be honest, I have a lot of issues with Paul. He admits in 1 Corinthians 7:25-40 that he is not giving commandments from God but his own advice and goes on to claim you cannot be as good of a Christian if you marry as if you stayed single. that kind of thing often makes me wonder how much was his opinion and how much was him receiving the message of God. He makes it clear that he is opinionated on what makes it possible to be a good Christian. I also question anyone who thinks that a marriage reduces your ability to love God.

Like I said in my very first post here, "I understand people believe want to believe what they must, or need to, so if they want to be homosexual, it's their perfectly good free will and lust of the flesh.
You assume it is a choice. You should heed your own words.
DCP
You don't know my heart. You don't need to either.

As you are not homosexual you do not know their heart, nor do you seem able to distinguish between sexual acts (which is what the Bible describes) and homosexuality in general. People aren't fighting for the right to get married for the sake of being able to have anal sex with other dudes. Did you consider that they may have emotions involved or have an attraction that is more than sexual?

No one will take that away from them, unless they want to give it up. Jesus forced no one. You don't have to believe the bible, or the God of the bible, and you can follow man as you please.
This sounds like you wouldn't support a law to limit their rights then. If so, I have no problem with your personal opinions, whether I agree or disagree. I'll even look past your ideas on the origin of certain diseases.

My general rule of thumb as a Christian, no matter who I am dealing with, is to treat them as an equal to me. That is what I believe Jesus would do.

DCP
Reminder, the old testament was the law brought to the Israelites, while under that law.
That is the same law that punished earthly deeds with earthly punishments, such as plagues, correct?

So, how does that mesh with this statement?

DCP
Most diseases etc come from such things, as it is a plague. Aids and HIV etc come from this behaviour.
That sounds like Old Testament law, and appears to not discriminate among homosexuals, heterosexuals, or even innocent children. Are we living under a law that punishes us physically, or one where we are punished upon death?
 
I could be wrong, but I think the point @CallmeDan was trying to make was that the post in question reeked of an us and them mentality.
If you're looking for a way to take offense, yes it could seem that way. If you're just looking at it on it's face, which was me asking for clarification on the proper assignment of the pronouns in a particular post and getting an answer, then it's just clarification.
 
I think it's just not our business, leave them for who they are. What do we care honestly? Do we live their life or vice versa? NO!

Unfortunately there are a number of people who do care, quite a lot, mainly republican politicians and the such, who impose laws and think that we are going to destroy the entire world because we happen to share a bed with someone that isn't of the opposite sex.. as well as many other forms of discrimination, which quite frankly is unnecessary :(
 
Unfortunately there are a number of people who do care, quite a lot, mainly republican politicians and the such, who impose laws and think that we are going to destroy the entire world because we happen to share a bed with someone that isn't of the opposite sex.. as well as many other forms of discrimination, which quite frankly is unnecessary :(
Just because your homosexual doesn't mean 🤬 but what does matter is in the heart. I'm not homosexual but I have respect for everyone
 
Just because your homosexual doesn't mean 🤬 but what does matter is in the heart. I'm not homosexual but I have respect for everyone

to you and me it may not, but to some cultures and individuals it means a lot, like there are some families that have been torn apart because their sexual orientation hasn't been to what was expected.

and I'm sure you do have respect for everyone and we need more people like that in the world, its just difficult to ensure that they are the majority
 
As a member of the LGBT community I find it rather unsettling how the ultra conservatives are trying to do everything they can possibly do to push us back in the closet. We are hearing the same words that they used against people of color back during the civil rights movement. As a trans woman I have states that are trying to ban me from using public restrooms.
 
As a member of the LGBT community I find it rather unsettling how the ultra conservatives are trying to do everything they can possibly do to push us back in the closet. We are hearing the same words that they used against people of color back during the civil rights movement. As a trans woman I have states that are trying to ban me from using public restrooms.

its actually bizarre how backwards these people are, America like to think that they are an advanced country when really they are still stuck in 1964, it just has a 2015 skin slapped over it. In the UK as far as I know, there isn't any legislation which allows for discrimination against LGBT citizens, but there is still progress to be made, especially for trans people
 
its actually bizarre how backwards these people are, America like to think that they are an advanced country when really they are still stuck in 1964, it just has a 2015 skin slapped over it. In the UK as far as I know, there isn't any legislation which allows for discrimination against LGBT citizens, but there is still progress to be made, especially for trans people
Any place other than America is in 2050
 
its actually bizarre how backwards these people are, America like to think that they are an advanced country when really they are still stuck in 1964, it just has a 2015 skin slapped over it. In the UK as far as I know, there isn't any legislation which allows for discrimination against LGBT citizens, but there is still progress to be made, especially for trans people
America is divided up. Some areas are 2015, others are 1964. It's just a shame that it's still an issue for some people when it doesn't even matter for some and definitely not to those people whom are bothered.
 
America is divided up. Some areas are 2015, others are 1964. It's just a shame that it's still an issue for some people when it doesn't even matter for some and definitely not to those people whom are bothered.

I think its the problem when each state is like its own little country where there are different laws that are applied to each individual state, I think that there should be a more blanket approach, or something of the sort, i would go in to more detail but its midnight here and I'm a bit sleepy haha
 
Taking away one of the greatest tools we have to limit abuse of power and insure liberty is not the answer you're looking for. This last wave of laws is not intended to write a free pass to bigots just because a few on both sides see it that way, the whole mess started when a 'blanket' Federal Law was passed so, we don't need more laws we need more responsible citizens.

We may be going backwards to some degree, or it may be some ugliness that's never gone away is showing it's light.
 
Any place other than America is in 2050

Any place? Really?

Do you really think that the worst possible place to be a homosexual in this world is America? Unless you mean something else with that statement.
 
its actually bizarre how backwards these people are, America like to think that they are an advanced country when really they are still stuck in 1964, it just has a 2015 skin slapped over it.
In its most practical form, conservatism favours methods that have worked before. They see no need to change - or to try and change - a system or an idea that they are comfortable with, or which they can demonstrate as doing exactly what it is intended for. There's a certain romanticism and practicality about it.

But sometimes conservatism can morph into an extreme version of itself, and that's when things become problematic. They start to believe that because the old ways of doing things work, the new ways can never find a better way. Then they start to feel threatened by new ways of thinking, because if something new is better than the old, then that means that the old way was wrong, and that by believing in it, they were wrong. Ultimately, it can transform into the belief that progressive ideas are looking to replace traditional ideas, changing cultural values to the point where everything that the conservatives value is replaced, and the definition of what makes their culture their culture is changed.

That's really what makes the conservatives tick - the fear that one day, their sense of self will be sucked away from them and replaced with something new and alien, something that they don't stand for, value or believe in, and that they will be forced to identify with.
 
Conservatives simply don't like their lives micro managed by goody two shoes, probably because they are capable of running their lives and affairs on their own. Simple stuff.
 
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