The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Submerged]

Forgive me for mis-understanding you BigYoSpeck, when you say "both are choices" are you referring to the goth and punks bit, or the gay and goth/punk's bit?

I mean, you are saying being gay is a choice? Or being a goth or a punk is a choice?

Oh wait, I think I just answered my question. You're talking about either choosing to be a goth or a punk?

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Forgive me for mis-understanding you BigYoSpeck, when you say "both are choices" are you referring to the goth and punks bit, or the gay and goth/punk's bit?

I mean, you are saying being gay is a choice? Or being a goth or a punk is a choice?

Oh wait, I think I just answered my question. You're talking about either choosing to be a goth or a punk?

I was drawing comparison between a gay life style as a choice and the being punk/goth as a way of expression being one kind of choice, the kind that most people are suggesting when they say that people choose to be gay (in that they believe it to just be an attempt to be different).

The 2nd variety of choice I was describing was the right/left political stance in that even though technically you are choosing your belief, it is something defines you rather than you using it as a way of defining yourself.

People were debating if being gay is a genuine drive or a choice, which then descended into the fact that arguably everything in life is a choice (if you believe in free will) which somewhat misses the point of the kind of choice people mean when they say that's what being gay is.

 

[Blank_Redge]

People were debating if being gay is a genuine drive or a choice, which then descended into the fact that arguably everything in life is a choice (if you believe in free will) which somewhat misses the point of the kind of choice people mean when they say that's what being gay is.

Yeah; I dislike those grey semantic waters.

"Oh! I really, really like this one thing over here!"

"Yeah? Well, everyone else doesn't; you're choosing to like that one thing I don't."

Rubbish, imo.

 

[Mrs. Famine]

who I fancy is due to my psychology...For all I know, I might have a gay brain...I'm married to someone of the other gender, but that doesn't mean anything by itself.

Is that you coming out?

I would like to add something to this thread. I find certain women attractive and would have no issue with kissing a woman I find attractive. However, I have no interest in having sex with women. I know I'm not bisexual, nor am I homosexual. So, is what I've just admitted to wrong?

 

[zieglchr]

I'm fine with it as long as there is no pda going on right in front of me.

 

[Blank_Redge]

I would like to add something to this thread. I find certain women attractive and would have no issue with kissing a woman I find attractive. However, I have no interest in having sex with women. I know I'm not bisexual, nor am I homosexual. So, is what I've just admitted to wrong?

On this side of the pond, there seems to be less of a social stigma with women who fancy women (even if one/both of them otherwise identify as hetero.) Not sure where that double-standard comes from.

Also: not sure if your behaviour would be categorized as "bi-curious" or not. I don't think I've ever seen a definitive, consistent definition.

 

[Denur]

Is that you coming out?

I would like to add something to this thread. I find certain women attractive and would have no issue with kissing a woman I find attractive. However, I have no interest in having sex with women. I know I'm not bisexual, nor am I homosexual. So, is what I've just admitted to wrong?

Define 'kissing'. I find a good kiss more 'involving' than plain sex.
I do believe though, that your spouse needs a good hug, from you that is.

 

[Azuremen]

On this side of the pond, there seems to be less of a social stigma with women who fancy women (even if one/both of them otherwise identify as hetero.) Not sure where that double-standard comes from.

Because society is still male driven and dominated, and more so in terms of sexual activities. Guys like girl on girl action, so its okay. Most guys don't like guy on guy action, thus the double standard.

I've found a lot of girls like to kiss girls just because of the attention they'll get at clubs. And that works quite well I must say. Girls also tend to be more comfortable with their sexuality in general, and society is also okay with that.

Most guys are raised with homophobic attitudes, further developed in primary education and even further at university in many cases (at least in the case of Fraternity life). As a result, a guy commenting that some other guy is good looking will be mocked and ridiculed, while its expected behavior from a girl.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

I find certain women attractive and would have no issue with kissing a woman I find attractive. However, I have no interest in having sex with women. I know I'm not bisexual, nor am I homosexual. So, is what I've just admitted to wrong?

No it's not wrong, I believe most guys will agree it's awesome.

As a result, a guy commenting that some other guy is good looking will be mocked and ridiculed, while its expected behavior from a girl.

I think this is more to do with our competitive streak than homophobia. I have no issue admitting Brad Pitt is a stunning guy and what not. But admitting some other guy in a club I'm in is handsome just doesn't feel right, and I suspect that is more a matter of my being in competition with him than any potential social stigma attached.

 

[Keef]

No it's not wrong, I believe most guys will agree it's awesome.

Most guys agree going 180 down the highway is awesome, too. It's not wrong because it's awesome, right?

I think this is more to do with our competitive streak than homophobia. I have no issue admitting Brad Pitt is a stunning guy and what not. But admitting some other guy in a club I'm in is handsome just doesn't feel right, and I suspect that is more a matter of my being in competition with him than any potential social stigma attached.

Are you competing with him though? I can see highschool jocks going back and forth, obviously competing for attention, but it seems an older fellow would be comfortable with himself and confident enough to not only mention some other guy's outfit or whatever in a positive manner, but maybe even compliment him in person. No homo. What do you think of that?

 

[Joel]

I compliment/ judge other guy's appearances all the time. I'm straight, and I'm comfortable with my sexuality. Quite frankly, if anyone thinks I'm gay because I'm not afraid to judge a guy, I don't really care. If they think less of me because I'm not afraid to admit someone I know is good looking, they aren't worth my time in my opinion.


There is a huge stigma against male homosexuality, whereas female homosexuality seems to be more acceptable. It's kinda pathetic that the same people who denounce gays and say that it's the wrong way to live your life are often the same people who conduct hand to gland combat while watching lesbian pornography...


One more thing.. Am I a bad person for taking advantage of that stigma when I play hockey? I find the easiest way to legitimately disturb a player on the other team and make him lose focus is to just call him a cutie or something along those lines.

 

[Keef]

One more thing.. Am I a bad person for taking advantage of that stigma when I play hockey? I find the easiest way to legitimately disturb a player on the other team and make him lose focus is to just call him a cutie or something along those lines.

That seems to get under many guys' skin in a lot of situation, whether you're playing sports or talking to the same girl at a bar.

 

[Joel]

That seems to get under many guys' skin in a lot of situation, whether you're playing sports or talking to the same girl at a bar.

It's kinda funny. Contact sports like hockey and football, guys can keep focus and composure after getting run over by someone skating or running full tilt, but when the goalie (me) winks at them and says they're cute, the focus is gone and they're all disturbed.

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Most guys agree going 180 down the highway is awesome, too. It's not wrong because it's awesome, right?

Not quite the same thing though really. Two girls kissing doesn't have the potential to kill somebody. I'm not a man of a faith so I'm never going to agree that homosexuality is a sin.

Also I would say that in the right circumstances I wouldn't have issue with doing 180 down a highway.

Are you competing with him though? I can see highschool jocks going back and forth, obviously competing for attention, but it seems an older fellow would be comfortable with himself and confident enough to not only mention some other guy's outfit or whatever in a positive manner, but maybe even compliment him in person. No homo. What do you think of that?

It's like guys wearing pink. It just comes across more of a contrived act of demonstrating 'look I'm so comfortable in myself I can compliment another chap'. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it just isn't a social norm for guys to communicate with each other like that. A guy can tell a guy his car is cool or that guitar solo he just did rocked, but it would be odd for all involved if he said his hair really compliments the shape of his face and makes his eyes look stunning. And that's common to homophobes and none homophobes alike. In fact I've only ever heard a gay guy complimenting a guy when he's coming on to them.

 

[Mrs. Famine]

Define 'kissing'. I find a good kiss more 'involving' than plain sex.
I do believe though, that your spouse needs a good hug, from you that is.

Kissing, snogging, tongue wrestling, whatever you want to call it

I'm unsure why you believe my husband needs a hug from me - he gets several per day. He's aware of my views, what I posted above isn't a secret - I certainly wouldn't have shared it in an internet forum before telling him

No it's not wrong, I believe most guys will agree it's awesome

But it has nothing to do with men and what they think about it, I'd not do it to show off, I'd do it because I wanted to...?

 

[Keef]

It's like guys wearing pink. It just comes across more of a contrived act of demonstrating 'look I'm so comfortable in myself I can compliment another chap'. I'm not saying it's a good thing but it just isn't a social norm for guys to communicate with each other like that. A guy can tell a guy his car is cool or that guitar solo he just did rocked, but it would be odd for all involved if he said his hair really compliments the shape of his face and makes his eyes look stunning. And that's common to homophobes and none homophobes alike. In fact I've only ever heard a gay guy complimenting a guy when he's coming on to them.

I like pink. I admit I don't have any, but I think the outfits you see in magazines and whatnot that include pink look great, and if I had the money to go buy an outfit like that I'd rock it.

As for compliments, you've never been curious to see how some bro would react, much less been genuine about it? You don't have to be gay to do that. I guess it's all in the the attitude.

 

[Sureboss]

Kissing, snogging, tongue wrestling, whatever you want to call it

Parmo retrieval?

 

[tribolik]

Any form of true Love is a good form of Love.
Its just a shame that threads like this still have to exist, whats next - «do you believe that black people are more or less inteligent than white people?» or «are the Jews to blame...»
For crying out loud its the 21 century get a life and let others live theirs if they arent hurting you in any way... even you think someone stole your boy/girlfriend they just probaby did you a favor...

 

[Keef]

Its just a shame that threads like this still have to exist...

It's a shame that little-understood topics such as homosexuality need to be debated in the interest of understanding how it works?

So much for this science book then. This thing is going out the window...

 

[tribolik]

It's a shame that little-understood topics such as homosexuality need to be debated in the interest of understanding how it works?

So much for this science book then. This thing is going out the window...

Do you see any threads opened with the title -«killing another human - is it wrong?»
If it was the middle ages you probably would talk about it.
And its just my opinion - I think there are more important subjects to talk about then homosexuality - like how to solve the crises we live in - how to help the third world evolve - What might be behind the USA interfering with the problems in the middle east and doing nothing about Tibet - could that have anything to do with petrol?... or something like that
But if you think that other people sexual choises may be a serious problem and needs discussion go right ahead -focus on that - I dont - To me what is a serious problem is people still passing judgement on other people sexual choices

Im just glad to see that from the poll most people here live in this century but there are also a few that still live in the past

 

[Keef]

Do you see any threads opened with the title -«killing another human - is it wrong?»

A perfectly good debate given the lack of situational context. Not to derail the thread, but yes, sometimes it is okay to kill another human.

If it's "just your opinion" you need to support it with evidence. Show us why your opinion is right. So I ask you, why should homosexuality not be discussed openly?

 

[tribolik]

A perfectly good debate given the lack of situational context. Not to derail the thread, but yes, sometimes it is okay to kill another human.

If it's "just your opinion" you need to support it with evidence. Show us why your opinion is right. So I ask you, why should homosexuality not be discussed openly?

Because in my opinion I though that its been established long ago that its no crime and nobody elses business except those involved.
In my country they have the same legal rights and are allowed to get married just like hetero sexual couples.
Now if you where debating if is it good to allow them to adopt kids as its being debated here (in my country)(and also think it is better to have two homosexual parents than being an orphan) I think it would be more up do date but nevertheless its is still just my opinion and it only counts as being so - its no universal truth
And if you think killing another human being is ok thats your problem also - Im not God and dont want to be so I think its not good even if it is to punish something that someone did - that does not mean that if I caught someone doing something bad to my kids I wouldnt kill that person but it would be wrong of me and I probably would do it because I would not be thinking straight.

But I guess youre right from the poll I can see that a lot of people still need to debate the subject - The way that I was educated made me think that its none of my business and that there are far more important subjects to debate in order to help us live a little better...

Confunsing? I dont express myself all that well in english - sorry

 

[BigYoSpeck]

Because in my opinion I though that its been established long ago that its no crime and nobody elses business except those involved.
In my country they have the same legal rights and are allowed to get married just like hetero sexual couples.
Now if you where debating if is it good to allow them to adopt kids as its being debated here (in my country)(and also think it is better to have two homosexual parents than being an orphan) I think it would be more up do date but nevertheless its is still just my opinion and it only counts as being so - its no universal truth
And if you think killing another human being is ok thats your problem also - Im not God and dont want to be so I think its not good even if it is to punish something that someone did - that does not mean that if I caught someone doing something bad to my kids I wouldnt kill that person but it would be wrong of me and I probably would do it because I would not be thinking straight.

But I guess youre right from the poll I can see that a lot of people still need to debate the subject - The way that I was educated made me think that its none of my business and that there are far more important subjects to debate in order to help us live a little better...

Confunsing? I dont express myself all that well in english - sorry

You've just expressed you're opinion in a forum thread debating the issue. You were given your say and no one has any right to tell you otherwise so long as you are within the AUP. If you are to be given that right, along with gay people the right to be free and gay then surely the people who do have issue against it are to be extended the same privileges and freedoms to discuss why so long as they do so in a manner which is also in keeping with the AUP?

As has been expressed by nearly 20% of the people in the thread not every one agrees it is right or is comfortable with it, and that probably isn't representative of the public as a whole given that this forum represents a demographic consisting a larger portion of more educated, younger people who are less likely to be opposed to it.

The topic has also been discussed as to where homosexuality stems from, surely a valid topic of conversation though not one I suspect many heterosexual people can really offer qualified opinion on.

It's also discussed why people would take issue with it, something that I'm sure even homosexuals would care to gain more understanding of.

 

[Dan_]

I agree with Luigi.

I for instance really like to discuss the subject, mostly because it is so present nowadays that you'll at some moment of your day interact with gay people. Understanding how they feel and think may change your attitudes, even in a subtle way, so you're not unintendedly a jerk with them anymore.

My ex-GF has a younger brother which I presume is gay ( he doesn't show appreciation for girls at the age of fifteen.... ), everyone in the family treated him in a terrible way and he is very quiet and shy, after I understood what was going on I stopped to joke him and make funny comments about his manners and voice, he turned into a very nice guy to talk with and even the familiy is reducing the bully events.

I guess is just a matter of respect, and everyone deserves it. Being gay or straight.

Gay men also increase the percentage of single and lonely ladies, and that's definetely a good thing.

 

[blaaah]

Gay men also increase the percentage of single and lonely ladies, and that's definetely a good thing.

Never thought of that, excellent.

 

[tribolik]

I agree with Luigi.
I guess is just a matter of respect, and everyone deserves it. Being gay or straight.

👍 My thoughs exatly

Gay men also increase the percentage of single and lonely ladies, and that's definetely a good thing.

👍👍👍 You got that right and its not just a good thing its a wonderfull thing - gay women also spyce it up a bit (expecialy if they are bysexual - they save a lot of man a lot of trouble in forplay)

So to me it is not a serious problem- to me a serious problem would be my wife reading this

 

[blaaah]

👍👍👍 You got that right and its not just a good thing its a wonderfull thing - gay women also spyce it up a bit (expecialy if they are bysexual - they save a lot of man a lot of trouble in forplay)

So to me it is not a serious problem- to me a serious problem would be my wife reading this

That's nyce.
But how does a lesbian or bisexual woman help a man in foreplay? I must be missing parts of the puzzle here.

 

[tribolik]

That's nyce.
But how does a lesbian or bisexual woman help a man in foreplay? I must be missing parts of the puzzle here.

well if its just one then you're in trouble - I think it takes two women and a guy for it to work properly

 

[Keef]

Never thought of that, excellent.

Never thought of the gay female couples, either. That makes for a net gain of 0, or thereabouts.

 

[Omnis]

Lol. For that reason, I always say in jest that I'm perfectly fine with gay dudes-- it's the lesbians I can't stand.

I enjoy reading the posts I've made in here and being baffled by the apparent failure to communicate as shown by the flame wall that ensued after each one.