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. . . and wherein lies that serious problem, specifically?
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. . . and wherein lies that serious problem, specifically?
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I obviously don't feel the same way about Christians or any other religious group.
I was merely pointing out that a religious way of life could easily be classed as an 'alternative' lifestyle by those who don't follow that path. And that leading your life in accordance to a 2000+ year old book of stories and classing that as a 'common sense way of life' is just as 'scary' to me as homosexuality is 'unnatural' to him. That is assuming that occasionalracer is coming at this subject from a strictly Christian point of view.
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First of all, I don't ever remember choosing to think that government interventionism is a worthless pile of rubbish that has done more harm than good throughout history. I just looked at it and came to that logical conclusion via reasoning. However, I do remember discovering libertarians and realizing there is a political organization I do agree with, I remember the day I decided to no longer register to vote under the two main parties, sacrificing my primary election vote in order to make sure that my political philosophy is properly reflected. But I cannot tell you the day I realized that government is full of busy bodies. Can you tell me the day you consciously chose your political beliefs? Do you think a racist was actually about 13 and said, "You know what? From this day forward I hate anyone that doesn't look like me." Same for religious beliefs. And I am sure some doctors would argue that drug addicts don't choose it.
None of these are conscious choices. Sure there may be a difference in a nature vs nurture respect, but these are still all things that people cannot choose. They can choose how they act on those feelings and beliefs, but they will have those feelings and beliefs.
Second, if we want to discuss missing the point, it is not accepted by everyone that homosexuality is not chosen. It is still a publicly debated political issue in the US on a regular basis. That is the point of the thread, to discuss something discussed in everyday politics in the US. Lots of people think homosexuality is a choice
I mean, look:
Now, I would argue that we should have the discussion, because it is at a critical point in politics. To say that because you or I recognize it is completely acceptable is not reason enough to stop the conversation. If you stop the conversation because you think it is giving a voice to those who are bigoted you also stop the conversation for those who are accepting. And then those who are bigoted are never questioned and they go along quoting Bible verses and distorting them into hate speech, and never getting confronted with their hypocrisy. About two months ago I showed someone in this thread that the same book of the Bible that addresses homosexuality also says not to eat rare beef or crustaceans and asked them if they follow those rules so strictly too. He left the conversation altogether, and I hope he begins questioning whatever bigoted church leaders he has been following and learns to read The Bible for himself, so that he can realize that hate and being unaccepting of those who are different is very un-Christian.
If you would rather someone like that go through life unchallenged then keep suggesting we stop this conversation, because that will be the unintended consequence.
Whether it applies to you or not my point still stands. I have seen Christians have negative things said about them and be prejudged for nothing more than confessing their belief. Sadly, too many of a certain type get in the spotlight and the world assumes that they are all the same.
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"Now, I would argue that we should have the discussion, because it is at a critical point in politics. To say that because you or I recognize it is completely acceptable is not reason enough to stop the conversation. If you stop the conversation because you think it is giving a voice to those who are bigoted you also stop the conversation for those who are accepting. And then those who are bigoted are never questioned and they go along quoting Bible verses and distorting them into hate speech, and never getting confronted with their hypocrisy." -FoolKiller
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I'm sorry, but your attitude doesn't add anything to the discussion, even if it was a failed attempt to joke you couldn't have chosen a more improper thread to do it, one that does contain well written posts and constructive argumentation which I do enjoy to read, and a more improper outline since you're known for bashing a specific meme around here. 👎
On topic, few weeks ago the goverment published the equality law, making homossexual relationships entirely legal and their partakers to be fully covered by the benefits and laws that are known to hetero couples.
I honestly think that is a step forwards and a way to dignify these people and the way they take their life. Surely, religious leaders are all beserk at it, and there is a specific deputy who's engaged in promoting homophobia, couple that to the imense amount of fanatic protestant lawmakers we have around here and then you can see what a achievement it is.
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That's all fine and dandy, but as Foolkiller's been saying, this would all be best if the government weren't involved at all. My opinion is that the government has no business in marriage at all, but if they have to be involved it should be for all people.
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I cannot tell you the day I formed my political opinions but I can tell you that they are based on impressions I have formed of the society I live in, the actions of the politicians that run the countries I have lived in, things I have learnt both in school and in the outside world. I certainly wasn't born with political beliefs though. Every time you go to vote you make a choice. I can't remember ever going to vote for which gender I'd like to have sex with.
The fact that people are actually debating whether homosexuality is something you choose just makes me roll my eyes. I have two brothers who both happen to be homosexual and from what they tell me it is something they had no control over.
I never heard of such thing... prison to 11 years?! Prison with no precise indication of the length?! And i thought that discrimination was already bad!
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homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1,500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them. Every last person I have know who is gay says they were either born that way, or they were affected by a heterosexual predator who molested them at a pre pubescent age. None of them have ever said they were once attracted to the opposite sex, then switched. No person can DECIDE to be attracted to something they are not naturally attracted to. You are a bigot by the definition of the word.
The consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality is a normal and positive variation in human sexual orientation, though many religious societies, including Catholicism, Mormonism, and Islam have traditionally taught that homosexual activity is sinful or dysfunctional. If you believe homosexuality is wrong because your religion told you so, then you need to pull your head out of the sand and think for yourself.
The consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality is a normal and positive variation in human sexual orientation, though many religious societies, including Catholicism, Mormonism, and Islam have traditionally taught that homosexual activity is sinful or dysfunctional. If you believe homosexuality is wrong because your religion told you so, then you need to pull your head out of the sand and think for yourself.
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In 50 years from now in the United States, we will look back at the ridiculousness of excluding same-sex civil unions in the same way we look back at segregation from today.
- If you're religious enough to find homosexuality wrong, your religion or the specific denomination you have cherry-picked probably doesn't allow it, so good for you and your personal morality.
- Otherwise, who cares? Don't like seeing two guys kissing in the park? I don't particularly like looking at your chubby, pasty white girlfriend in a tank top, but I have to put up with it because that's how society works.
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As I said,
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A choice you make based on opinions formed by "impressions I have formed of the society I live in..." Nature vs nurture. You choose your vote, but why you choose your vote was ultimately not a choice. Much of what influences you is thrust upon you.
And 60 years ago the color of your skin meant you had to use different schools, water fountains, etc. Throw in some twisted religion-based stuff and you get a lot of people who just don't know any better. And when you have a democracy you are sometimes being led by a tyranny of the majority, which is why in the US it is important that this is discussed. Educating the ignorant is the only way to give homosexuals equal treatment (although one would think the notion of "all men are created equal" should do it).
And I have a cousin who is currently in the foster to adopt program with her wife and they have a baby right now. I also just gave them my cat that I had to give up for medical reasons. Her brother and I always questioned her very short and very few relationships with boys in high school. Now we know. I don't have to look hard to see if it is something she was feeling her entire life.
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Same Sex marriage just got passed by a senate vote of 33-29 in NY state. Canada congratulates you. (Sorry—had to.)
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