The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Schwartz]

What if you had a hotel and a woman wearing trousers wanted to stay. If the hotel had a restaurant - would shell food be off the menu too?

They are both very subjective verses, but they don't particularly condemn anything.

He is saying that just because something is in the bible doesn't mean its always followed. If you are so literal about doing whatever is in the bible, then you cant be gay AND you cant serve shell food. Even though no one is arguing against shell food (Unless you want to start a new argument).

 

[TankAss95]

Let's hope they don't have tattoos then.

Any type of intentional cutting or permanently painting of the skin is said to be a sin in the Bible I think. I'm not sure.

Anyway I don't think that is the same as it isn't really a way of life.

 

[Azuremen]

Any type of intentional cutting or permanently painting of the skin is said to be a sin in the Bible I think. I'm not sure.

Anyway I don't think that is the same as it isn't really a way of life.

Tell that to be that are covered in ink. Tattoos are a lifestyle for some people.

The Bible is a hilarious read if you take it literally, as people noted with the shell fish bit.

 

[TankAss95]

Tell that to be that are covered in ink. Tattoos are a lifestyle for some people.

The Bible is a hilarious read if you take it literally, as people noted with the shell fish bit.

Maybe, but that's because the Bible is written in a poetic language. I find it quite fascinating when I study it. I think it's too special to be written 'just by men'.
Naturally there are stricter versions of Christianity. To be quite honest I can't really get into a discussion about that because of my lack of knowledge.

 

[Famine]

I particularly like the tattooed Westboro apes waving "GOD HATES FAGS!" signs. As if we needed more reminders that they're idiots.

 

[TankAss95]

I particularly like the tattooed Westboro apes waving "GOD HATES FAGS!" signs. As if we needed more reminders that they're idiots.

Yeah, but that's because they are idiots...

 

[Famine]

Nevertheless, they're rabidly preaching from Leviticus while ignoring other bits of Leviticus - and Christianity is supposed to follow the teachings of Christ (the clue is in the name) rather than the tales of the Old Testament, whatever sect it is, so the cleanliness code of Leviticus and Exodus (the Ten Commandments) aren't even relevant to the religion they're using to support those views.

 

[TankAss95]

If someone says, “I love God, ” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
-1 John 4:20-21 (NKJV)

So basically saying "GOD HATES FAGS" is exactly against what the Bible teaches. God loves everyone.

 

[lbsf1]

Nevertheless, they're rabidly preaching from Leviticus while ignoring other bits of Leviticus - and Christianity is supposed to follow the teachings of Christ (the clue is in the name) rather than the tales of the Old Testament, whatever sect it is, so the cleanliness code of Leviticus and Exodus (the Ten Commandments) aren't even relevant to the religion they're using to support those views.

Strangely the bit they are quoting bits from the old testament (the jewish bit) while then condemning the jews.

Anyway they are bonkers.

/off topic.

 

[shmogt]

What do the straight people think of gays in the military if you were in the military too. Now I said already being gay is fine whatever, but the don't ask don't tell basically you can be gay but don't mention it really is kinda the right way. I understand its slightly discriminatory, but here's why. If I was in a room with tons of hot girls for years I would obviously be thinking of doing things to them non stop. Let's say for some reason all the girls liked me as a person, but didn't want to do anything with me it would probably be pretty awkward living with me knowing I wanted them.

If I was a soldier I need 100% focus to survive and protect my fellow troops. Anything to change their mind set must be blocked out totally. If you are sleeping and the guy beside you is gay and you hear him "getting to know himself better" it would be ten times more awkward because you know he's potentially thinking of you when he's doing it. That would definitely make me think about that the next day and alter my training focus. In war the best tool is the mind and anything that messes with it I feel has to be taken out of the equation. So don't ask don't tell allowed gays into the military, but don't be spreading it around to potentially freak out non gay soldiers or worse meet up with another gay dude and get caught by the whole whole platoon and freak everybody out.

 

[Schwartz]

What do the straight people think of gays in the military if you were in the military too. Now I said already being gay is fine whatever, but the don't ask don't tell basically you can be gay but don't mention it really is kinda the right way. I understand its slightly discriminatory, but here's why. If I was in a room with tons of hot girls for years I would obviously be thinking of doing things to them non stop. Let's say for some reason all the girls liked me as a person, but didn't want to do anything with me it would probably be pretty awkward living with me knowing I wanted them.

If I was a soldier I need 100% focus to survive and protect my fellow troops. Anything to change their mind set must be blocked out totally. If you are sleeping and the guy beside you is gay and you hear him "getting to know himself better" it would be ten times more awkward because you know he's potentially thinking of you when he's doing it. That would definitely make me think about that the next day and alter my training focus. In war the best tool is the mind and anything that messes with it I feel has to be taken out of the equation. So don't ask don't tell allowed gays into the military, but don't be spreading it around to potentially freak out non gay soldiers or worse meet up with another gay dude and get caught by the whole whole platoon and freak everybody out.

This^

 

[Azuremen]

After reading what you wrote a few times, shmogt, because I honestly couldn't get what you were talking about at first (hint, use commas and sentence structure), I think it just comes down to people being homophobic.

Or maybe just ignorant. People just need to accept things and then let them go.

 

[DK]

In the army, shooting straight should matter more than being straight.

 

[PeterJB]

Shmogt's statement falls short when you consider there are now women serving the armed forces. You think that most straight soldiers would be distracted by them rather than by other men that may or may not fancy them.

 

[shmogt]

Shmogt's statement falls short when you consider there are now women serving the armed forces. You think that most straight soldiers would be distracted by them rather than by other men that may or may not fancy them.

I'm sure they are distracted by them but they don't sleep in the same rooms and do stuff together like shower. If I'm showering with a ton of naked girls I'm gonna get excited. Everyone is clearly going to know too lol. So a shower full of guys all naked, wet, and ripped to shreds since they're army guys and suddenly one guy gets "excited". It's gonna get real weird real quick.

 

[Schwartz]

I'm sure they are distracted by them but they don't sleep in the same rooms and do stuff together like shower. If I'm showering with a ton of naked girls I'm gonna get excited. Everyone is clearly going to know too lol. So a shower full of guys all naked, wet, and ripped to shreds since they're army guys and suddenly one guy gets "excited". It's gonna get real weird real quick.

Three words. T.M.I.

 

[niky]

One answer: Co-ed showers. have an orgy after every battle/training exercise/whatever. Go pick your partner/s and find a corner.

Problem solved!

 

[shmogt]

Three words. T.M.I.

Lol these are things that you are going to be thinking of instead of murdering a little boy with an AK. Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but it's a problem that can be solved easy by just not mentioning you are gay.

Pretty much imagine being camping every night with a gay guy in a very small tent. I guess it's more of a fear of being raped than of gays, but again just thinking about it would take my mind off of a potential battle which isn't good.

Lolol funniest idea. Instead of no orgies you make it mandatory orgies to give the troops something to look forward too if they win.

 

[Schwartz]

Lol these are things that you are going to be thinking of instead of murdering a little boy with an AK. Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but it's a problem that can be solved easy by just not mentioning you are gay.

Pretty much imagine being camping every night with a gay guy in a very small tent. I guess it's more of a fear of being raped than of gays, but again just thinking about it would take my mind off of a potential battle which isn't good.

Lolol funniest idea. Instead of no orgies you make it mandatory orgies to give the troops something to look forward too if they win.

Where do you come up with these scenarios? O_O lol

 

[Crispy]

Well, I would be a little worried if anyone was beating off next to me. Doesn't matter if they're straight, or gay, they're beating off where I can see (And potentially hear, depending on the speed.) then that would be quite awkward.

Personally, I don't care what any "book" says. You are around gay people all the time, you just don't realize it. It doesn't make any difference. Plus the fear of being raped is just absurd. What, are gays magically rapists now they like the same sex? With gay people being of less a population than straight people, they're statistically less likely to be rapists than the average straight person. And it doesn't matter, most rapists straight or gay have something f:censored:d up in there head, it's not something changed due to their orientation.

 

[Azuremen]

Lol these are things that you are going to be thinking of instead of murdering a little boy with an AK. Maybe this is just me being paranoid, but it's a problem that can be solved easy by just not mentioning you are gay.

Pretty much imagine being camping every night with a gay guy in a very small tent. I guess it's more of a fear of being raped than of gays, but again just thinking about it would take my mind off of a potential battle which isn't good.

Lolol funniest idea. Instead of no orgies you make it mandatory orgies to give the troops something to look forward too if they win.

What goes on inside that head of yours?

You are grasping at the most paranoid, most extreme thoughts, and expanding on them. Most people are not going to rape someone. Let alone with the consequences they would face in the military. More so when they are honestly more irritated over all the sand and heat, sex would far removed from their minds.

 

[shmogt]

I know what I said sounds a little crazy, but these things can happen. I said it would be more of fear of rape in general and not strictly of gays. Meaning yes it could be a straight person or gay person, but this is solely my opinion here, I would think a gay person would be wanting to have sex with a guy obviously so if they were planning on raping someone it would be a guy. As for the straight person would want sex with a female and if they had the urge to have sex they would go find a girl to rape. This logic has got to make sense a little right?

In jail it's all guys and has nothing to with sex it's just about tons of sexual tension that it doesn't matter who it's with. Testosterone at high levels is going to make you want sex like crazy and since army people should have high levels do to all the exercise they must think of sex a lot. Also I'm not talking about in a trentch being shot at I'm pretty sure just getting out alive would be first thing on your mind lol. There is tons of different sections of troops not everyone is on the front lines in a battle. These scenarios would be at base. Nice and quite with nothing to do, but think about things like sex.

 

[Azuremen]

I'm pretty sure you've never had sex before. Or anything close, cause you are just running a long string of "if" statements together basically, with what sounds like no clue what you are actually talking about.

And I'd question if you are really using logic...

 

[shmogt]

I'm pretty sure you've never had sex before. Or anything close, cause you are just running a long string of "if" statements together basically, with what sounds like no clue what you are actually talking about.

And I'd question if you are really using logic...

Why don't you ever try to just think of an answer based on what I said rather than always ignoring it and just saying I'm stupid. Yes this is not happening non stop and is more of a 1% type of thing, but I would think of it if I am a soldier. I would like to no what soldiers views on gays in the military is, but I can't ask them since they are in other countries and I don't have any military friends.

 

[Azuremen]

Why don't you ever try to just think of an answer based on what I said rather than always ignoring it and just saying I'm stupid. Yes this is not happening non stop and is more of a 1% type of thing, but I would think of it if I am a soldier. I would like to no what soldiers' views on gays in the military is, but I can't ask them since they are in other countries and I don't have any military friends.

How about you look at how far flung your concerns are, and how many hypothetical and conditional statements you string together. Then get back to me.

I'm pretty sure you can research how soldiers have reacted to the various issues surrounding homosexuality. Saying you'd like to ask but you don't know anyone is just a cop out, and there are plenty of people in the service stationed in the US.

 

[shmogt]

How about you look at how far flung your concerns are, and how many hypothetical and conditional statements you string together. Then get back to me.

I'm pretty sure you can research how soldiers have reacted to the various issues surrounding homosexuality. Saying you'd like to ask but you don't know anyone is just a cop out, and there are plenty of people in the service stationed in the US.

Hey I said this is just my views. I don't have any problems with gays, but my brain would still think of these scenarios. I live in Canada and have only met one guy who went into the army. He wasn't really a friend back than and I never saw him after he departed. Asking a total stranger what their take on this is, is too weird for me. Also something like this I need to hear from a soldier not what someone has written saying the views of soldiers. There has got to be one soldier on these forums somewhere as well as a gay soldier to give their feelings as well.

 

[BobK]

What if you had a hotel and a woman wearing trousers wanted to stay. If the hotel had a restaurant - would shell food be off the menu too?

They are both very subjective verses, but they don't particularly condemn anything.

What on earth is subjective about

A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

Seems perfectly straightforward and direct to me, with no room at all for subjectivity.

 

[TankAss95]

What on earth is subjective about

Seems perfectly straightforward and direct to me, with no room at all for subjectivity.

It could be read particularly, but then again who are we to call clothing masculine or feminine?
My interpretation of the verse is that you should not cross-dress. I think it's trying to say that you shouldn't pretend to be a woman if you are a man and a man if you are a woman.
So I highly disagree with that statement you have just made. It's not so straightforward as you think, and there are different branches of Christianity for your beliefs. Some are more relaxed while some are more controlled.

 

[homeforsummer]

If I was a soldier I need 100% focus to survive and protect my fellow troops. Anything to change their mind set must be blocked out totally. If you are sleeping and the guy beside you is gay and you hear him "getting to know himself better" it would be ten times more awkward because you know he's potentially thinking of you when he's doing it. That would definitely make me think about that the next day and alter my training focus. In war the best tool is the mind and anything that messes with it I feel has to be taken out of the equation. So don't ask don't tell allowed gays into the military, but don't be spreading it around to potentially freak out non gay soldiers or worse meet up with another gay dude and get caught by the whole whole platoon and freak everybody out.

I get it, so while straight soldiers are concentrating on serving their country, all the gay ones are just in it for the other men, right? Rather than concentrating 100% on serving their country like everyone else, they're actually thinking of sleeping with their regiment.

Two things spring to mind: If you're that insecure about your sexuality you worry about gay men thinking of you sexually, then I hope to god you never find out one of your friends is gay.

Second thing: I wouldn't worry about it anyway. With that sort of attitude you'd be lucky for a girl to think about you like that, let alone another man.

 

[TankAss95]

I get it, so while straight soldiers are concentrating on serving their country, all the gay ones are just in it for the other men, right? Rather than concentrating 100% on serving their country like everyone else, they're actually thinking of sleeping with their regiment.

Two things spring to mind: If you're that insecure about your sexuality you worry about gay men thinking of you sexually, then I hope to god you never find out one of your friends is gay.

Second thing: I wouldn't worry about it anyway. With that sort of attitude you'd be lucky for a girl to think about you like that, let alone another man.

I actually agree with him. It goes both ways, though. I think that if gays can't talk about their sexual orientation then neither should we.
Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed. You can call me homophobic or whatever, but that's just me, and I'm sure many feel the same.
So I think leave it out all together. Never say your sexual orientation in the military as no-one really needs to know.