The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[fps_christian]

I find it hard to believe that this can be a real discussion. Homosexuals are people them too..

 

[shmogt]

I get it, so while straight soldiers are concentrating on serving their country, all the gay ones are just in it for the other men, right? Rather than concentrating 100% on serving their country like everyone else, they're actually thinking of sleeping with their regiment.

Two things spring to mind: If you're that insecure about your sexuality you worry about gay men thinking of you sexually, then I hope to god you never find out one of your friends is gay.

Second thing: I wouldn't worry about it anyway. With that sort of attitude you'd be lucky for a girl to think about you like that, let alone another man.

Hahaha no I'm sure the gay ones are focused too. I'm just saying when you are not out fighting the straight ones will be thinking of girls while the gay ones will be thinking of guys. That's fine, but considering it's only guys it gives the gay ones more to think about since they see guys all around them and I would find it weird to shower next to a guy who would be physically attracted to me. So I would prefer not knowing at all someone is gay so my mind doesn't think of all these crazy scenarios.

I actually agree with him. It goes both ways, though. I think that if gays can't talk about their sexual orientation then neither should we.
Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed. You can call me homophobic or whatever, but that's just me, and I'm sure many feel the same.
So I think leave it out all together. Never say your sexual orientation in the military as no-one really needs to know.

Ya that's why don't ask don't tell was a good policy. You can be gay no problem just don't mention it so one knows.

 

[Bones Brigade]

I actually agree with him. It goes both ways, though. I think that if gays can't talk about their sexual orientation then neither should we.
Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed. You can call me homophobic or whatever, but that's just me, and I'm sure many feel the same.
So I think leave it out all together. Never say your sexual orientation in the military as no-one really needs to know.

Wow.

You're making the assumption that gay men can't control themselves and are going to just start developing interest in any man they have close quarters with. This is utter BS and extremely disrespectful. Is this a reflection on you, or your actual feelings towards gay people? Because it seems to me that if a straight man spent some time alone with a group of women, they could control themselves and not become infatuated. Those who can't have issues they need to resolve.

You also assume that once these infatuations are developed, a gay man is going to be very outright and up front with his feelings. This is again a disrespectful stereotype. It's just silly. Tactless men, regardless of sexual orientation will do this, yes.

Gay men don't want to have sex with straight men. And any man who is mature enough to serve is going to be mature enough to handle their emotions and actions appropriately. And if they're not mature enough to control themselves they're probably the straight ***holes who worry about gays in the first place, who are a minority, by the way.

 

[Famine]

My heavens. Such... mindless bigotry.

Ya that's why don't ask don't tell was a good policy. You can be gay no problem just don't mention it so one knows.

Oh, yeah, except for the part you'd be fired from your job if it was mentioned at any point (though not, hilariously, for coming out as straight...). And since any population of males - particularly alpha males - will involve repeated references to the sexuality of their peers, the response "Yeah, so what?" is inevitable and a prosecutable offence.

In what universe does "being fired from your job for mentioning your sexuality (but only if it's not heterosexuality)" make sense? Only a universe where being around people you know are gay freaks you out.


Incidentally, check out the Kinsey Reports. About half of men willing to respond* responded that they had a sexual response to people from both genders at some point in their life and 37% had a full sexual contact with another male. That means that for every two guys you know, one can get turned on by other guys - and for every three guys you know, one has ejaculated with the assistance of another guy. Would you prefer knowing which ones are which when you're locked up with 800 of them, or would you like the surprise of finding out which 400 clearly fancy you (since all gay men fancy all other men, apparently) and which 300 would like to fondle you?

*Kinsey's not terrific, since it only accounts for people who are willing to talk about it, requiring people more open about their sexuality. This would, for instance, preclude any US servicemen during the DADT policy, who would lose their jobs for saying they were gay. But it's pretty good information on just how much more prevalent bisexuality is than you think...

 

[PeterJB]

As a teenager being fancied by a male friend may freak the teen out, but within a few years they've grown up and don't care. I should know, because I am that male friend. Naturally it made my friends a little uncomfortable when I came out to them, at 15. But now, they don't care at all, and the topic rarely comes up in conversation. People just don't care.

 

[homeforsummer]

I actually agree with him. It goes both ways, though. I think that if gays can't talk about their sexual orientation then neither should we.
Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed. You can call me homophobic or whatever, but that's just me, and I'm sure many feel the same.
So I think leave it out all together. Never say your sexual orientation in the military as no-one really needs to know.

Most men?

As before: insecure men. Insecure and rather full of themselves, to assume that gay men are interested in them.

 

[Scaff]

I actually agree with him. It goes both ways, though. I think that if gays can't talk about their sexual orientation then neither should we.
Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed. You can call me homophobic or whatever, but that's just me, and I'm sure many feel the same.
So I think leave it out all together. Never say your sexual orientation in the military as no-one really needs to know.

One slight problem exists with your theory, which is that it actually doesn't work like that in the real world.

Of the numerous, detailed studies done on the subject have a guess how many have found the link you suggest. The correct answer is none.

The following is an extract from a study carried out by the IDF (one of the most consistently active military forces in the world following a change in policy to allow openly gay service.

Social cohesion was significantly higher among combat soldiers than non-combat soldiers but knowledge of homosexual peers was not related to lower measures of social cohesion. Thus the study found no support for the hypothesis that knowledge of homosexual peers undermines units social cohesion.

Source - http://www.palmcenter.org/files/KaplanRosenmann_IDFSurveyReport.pdf


Or this:

Research on openly gay service is extensive, and includes over half a century of evidence gathered by independent researchers and the U.S. military itself, as well as the study of the experience of foreign militaries. The U.S. military’s own researchers have consistently found that openly gay service does not undermine cohesion, and the military has repeatedly sought to condemn or suppress these conclusions when they emerged. Yet no research has ever shown that open homosexuality impairs military readiness. This fact has been acknowledged by the Government Accountability Office and by the Pentagon, which has said in response to evidence suggesting that openly gay service works that its policy is “inherently subjective in nature” and is the result of “professional Military judgment, not scientific or sociological analysis.”

Source - http://www.palmcenter.org/publicati..._say_about_impact_openly_gay_service_military

You can find plenty more here:http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/all

You are basically touting a myth, one that is used to try and suppress homosexuals, and one that is based totally on the ignorance and fears of those that recite it rather than any fact.


Scaff

 

[Northstar]

Having the thought of a gay man taking interest in you in a high risk environment would leave most men uncomfortable and unfocussed.

I've never been in a war, but I'm guessing the last thing your thinking of when getting shot at is if you find the person next to you attractive.

 

[shmogt]

My heavens. Such... mindless bigotry.

Oh, yeah, except for the part you'd be fired from your job if it was mentioned at any point (though not, hilariously, for coming out as straight...). And since any population of males - particularly alpha males - will involve repeated references to the sexuality of their peers, the response "Yeah, so what?" is inevitable and a prosecutable offence.

In what universe does "being fired from your job for mentioning your sexuality (but only if it's not heterosexuality)" make sense? Only a universe where being around people you know are gay freaks you out.

Ya the fired part was discrimination, but if it was altered to literaly be don't ask don't tell I think it's ok. Can't have any problems if you don't go asking around or talking about stuff.

Lol I didn't mean to start anything with this so sorry to anybody that got offended. I don't think gays would just be non stop trying to hit on all the straight guys and just anarchy everywhere because of it like it sort of sounded. I'm just saying for me personally, I wouldn't want to shower and sleep in the same bunk as a gay person because I would feel that they would want me as a sexual object. The exact same as what I would be thinking if I was showering and sleeping in the same bunk with a bunch of girls. So not mentioning anything or having soldiers ask about it I feel is the best thing to do. Without the getting fired part if someone does find out.

 

[Famine]

I'm just saying for me personally, I wouldn't want to shower and sleep in the same bunk as a gay person

There's a 50:50 chance that the other bloke is a gay person. There's a one in three chance he's had sex with another man. Would you rather know this or have it come as a nice surprise in the night?

 

[shmogt]

There's a 50:50 chance that the other bloke is a gay person. There's a one in three chance he's had sex with another man. Would you rather know this or have it come as a nice surprise in the night?

Ahahha ok I would rather not know any of that and not have him try to have sex with in the night either lol. That goes for straight or gay I don't care what you have done in the past just don't try to have sex with me in the night lol.

 

[Lissa]

As a teenager being fancied by a male friend may freak the teen out, but within a few years they've grown up and don't care. I should know, because I am that male friend. Naturally it made my friends a little uncomfortable when I came out to them, at 15. But now, they don't care at all, and the topic rarely comes up in conversation. People just don't care.

Do you mind me asking how old you were when you realised you were gay? My daughter came out to me when she was 13.

 

[Azuremen]

Lol I didn't mean to start anything with this so sorry to anybody that got offended. I don't think gays would just be non stop trying to hit on all the straight guys and just anarchy everywhere because of it like it sort of sounded. I'm just saying for me personally, I wouldn't want to shower and sleep in the same bunk as a gay person because I would feel that they would want me as a sexual object. The exact same as what I would be thinking if I was showering and sleeping in the same bunk with a bunch of girls. So not mentioning anything or having soldiers ask about it I feel is the best thing to do. Without the getting fired part if someone does find out.

Just how old are you? You've come up a lot of scenarios that just... don't compute too well.

As for being hit on by gays, it is kind of fun sometimes because its like "why, thank you, but sorry, I'm with the ladies." It also means you dress well if gays are hitting on you. Well, most of the time. So that is icing on the cake - you're cute and dress well.

The military had a don't ask, don't tell policy and that has worked out so well for them, hasn't it?

 

[PeterJB]

Do you mind me asking how old you were when you realised you were gay? My daughter came out to me when she was 13.

I'm actually bisexual.

I first began to notice an attraction to some of my friends when I was 11 or 12. I came out to my peers properly around 15, although some already knew before then. Though I later realised that was not the case. I concluded around 17 that I was actually bisexual. I'm curently 19, and with my first girlfriend. I'm more sexually attracted to men, but I prefer to have relationships with women.

A lot of it seems to be to do with hormones. I imagine there were a lot of other boys at school that were repressing sexual desires for other boys, and most would have grown out of it. To me it was crystal clear in some. Most would try to overcompensate by acting as macho as they could and constantly talking about girls. I just happened comfortable enough with it to be honest, and sometimes I wasn't particularly good at hiding it!

 

[shmogt]

Just how old are you? You've come up a lot of scenarios that just... don't compute too well.

As for being hit on by gays, it is kind of fun sometimes because its like "why, thank you, but sorry, I'm with the ladies." It also means you dress well if gays are hitting on you. Well, most of the time. So that is icing on the cake - you're cute and dress well.

The military had a don't ask, don't tell policy and that has worked out so well for them, hasn't it?

My scenarios are hilarious because they are always like the smallest chance ever of actually happening. If you must know about me since you ask every single time. I am a graphic designer who is also into comedy and fitness. I pretty much get paid to understand how people view things than design stuff to make them buy stuff. My jokey sarcastic comments do not translate at all on the Internet tho lol. So take what I say seriously, but I'm just trying to have fun with it, never trying to offend anyone.

I try to take it as a compliment too, but it's so awkward when you have like a 230lb of steroid muslce guy telling you how much they would love to hang out with you etc. Espcially when you are tired from working out and only in shorts so it's obviously strictly for my body which makes it 10x more awkward saying "no man, I'm alright".

The militarys don't ask don't tell plan worked fine just change the getting fired part if someone finds out your gay which I already said.

 

[homeforsummer]

Since shmogt is already aware homosexuals in the miliary, I'd suggest some other groups he should be needlessly worried about:

Keep your eyes out for bikers, construction workers, red indians, policemen and cowboys. They'll be thinking of you. Or not.

 

[Jondot]

*Everything shmogt has ever said*

, I think I love you.

Not to make you uncomfortable or anything, obviously.

Since shmogt is already aware homosexuals in the miliary, I'd suggest some other groups he should be needlessly worried about:

I know this thread has gone on for forever and the points start getting a bit laboured, but it really does just keeps getting better and better. Please let's never close it, I'll cry.

 

[Danny]

I know this thread has gone on for forever and the points start getting a bit laboured, but it really does just keeps getting better and better. Please let's never close it, I'll cry.

My thoughts exactly!


(Hive mind)

 

[Joel]

I'd be flattered to have a guy show interest in me...

 

[PeterJB]

I'd be flattered to have a guy show interest in me...

Show me a picture and I'll make my verdict.

 

[Bones Brigade]

As for being hit on by gays, it is kind of fun sometimes because its like

I'm with you. I like being hit on, period. I don't care if you're male or female. It feels good to have someone tell you you look nice etc.

 

[Roo]

Show me a picture and I'll make my verdict.

For a friend's movie. I was the unlucky victim of a school shooting.

 

[PeterJB]

Hmm...being dead is a bit of a turn off for me

 

[shmogt]

Hmm...being dead is a bit of a turn off for me

Ahahah funniest pic for him to post. A murder victim.

 

[Joel]

This is what they mean by "don't put things on the internet, they stay there forever!"

 

[Epic B]

While straight, I am neutral. I hate all those saying it's "sinful" and "immoral". I have nothing against what others choose. It's their life and they can live it however they want to. And some other things. Why is pink associated with homosexuality? It's just a color. It's mildly feminine, if at all. Can't we just accept it as a color? Is it a surprise that the official antibullying color is pink? "YOU'D BETTER THINK BEFORE YOU LAUGH AT THE PINK!" Anyways, I have nothing against homosexuality. There are some things I am against, but this is not one of them.

 

[shmogt]

Christian people I have a question. How is it possible for god to love all, and exclude gays? If he made everyone than why did he even make gays? Just to hate on them?

 

[Epic B]

Christian people I have a question. How is it possible for god to love all, and exclude gays? If he made everyone than why did he even make gays? Just to hate on them?

A cromulent observation. But I'm not involved in any religion or ever will be, but yeah. Strangely considerable point.

 

[arora]

Christian people I have a question. How is it possible for god to love all, and exclude gays? If he made everyone than why did he even make gays? Just to hate on them?

Christians believe god excludes no one. It's not believed that he made 'gays', it's believed that he gives free will. And no, not just to hate on them or anyone else.

Matthew 5:45

 

[shmogt]

Christians believe god excludes no one. It's not believed that he made 'gays', it's believed that he gives free will. And no, not just to hate on them or anyone else.

Matthew 5:45

Hahaha Matthew wrote that quote hmm. He adds in the and no not just to hate on them part just incase someone asked this very question I see lol.

I get he makes everyone than says be free and live, but he obviously knew the whole gay thing could go down than. So why can't he just let them live? If he didn't want gays at all he would of just made no free will and designed it to be impossible to like same gender. Also what the hell is gods views in trannies? Not quite man, not quite woman. Looks like he didn't plan for that one lol.