The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Gonales]

She's not making a point. She's saying she finds it annoying when people use "gay" pejoratively.

So, instead of taking the message, acknowledging that it can actually be annoying, you choose to ignore the message and comment on a specific use of a single word?

Gay means happy. I love gay people.

And, same here. Instead of taking the message seriously for once, you choose to point out the fact that gay has more than one meaning? I do NOT mean 'Happy' obviously. If you can't be serious, don't reply. Thanks.

TL'DW

Besides, she looks a bit emu.

I think she looks just fine. If you want to make this world a better place, start with the person in the mirror.

Just my point.

Why that? I would love to hear some valid points that makes you think she is annoying.

 

[arora]

I think she looks just fine. If you want to make this world a better place, start with the person in the mirror.

I'm gorgeous baby.

 

[Famine]

So, instead of taking the message, acknowledging that it can actually be annoying, you choose to ignore the message and comment on a specific use of a single word?

Her message was that it was fine to use any other word - even expletives - to mean "rubbish", just not the word "gay" because it annoys her.

It's about that single word. She finds it annoying used like that. So what? I find narcissists who film themselves speaking words of what they think are wisdom to be annoying. So what? She can keep on doing it and I can keep on ignoring folk like her and doing something else. Guess what? I find people who use "gay" to mean rubbish annoying too - I keep on ignoring folk like them and doing something else too.

Perhaps there's a message there...

 

[sumbrownkid]

I'm gorgeous baby.

The vanity within you is strong young padawan.

 

[Dennisch]

So, instead of taking the message, acknowledging that it can actually be annoying, you choose to ignore the message and comment on a specific use of a single word?

There is no message. Just an annoying opinion.

And, same here. Instead of taking the message seriously for once, you choose to point out the fact that gay has more than one meaning? I do NOT mean 'Happy' obviously. If you can't be serious, don't reply. Thanks.

Yeah....no. I am one of those "the glass is half full and I have more in the bottle" people. You are not the one who decides that I can not reply.

I think she looks just fine. If you want to make this world a better place, start with the person in the mirror.

Opinion. And the man looks gorgeous.

Why that? I would love to hear some valid points that makes you think she is annoying.

Opinion. And she is kinda annoying.

 

[NLxAROSA]

The vanity within you is strong young padawan.

Nah, just impaired vision.

 

[arora]

The vanity within you is strong young padawan.

Nah, just impaired vision.

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[Dennisch]

Aw. It's gone.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Aw. It's gone.

Yeah I saw her post too. I wanted to post something about it, but I decided to stay out of it...

 

[Gonales]

Aw. It's gone.

I can put it back up if you want?

 

[Dennisch]

I can put it back up if you want?

You can try it, but as it has been removed, it would be dumb if you did.

Also, you need to learn how to ignore. You can't force anyone into thinking like you do. I understand that gay people around the world have to struggle, but your militant behavior doesn't work. You act like a extremely religious person. Believe what I say or I smite you....

 

[arora]

You act like a extremely religious person. Believe what I say or I smite you....

Na, that's my job I thought

 

[Denur]

Why that? I would love to hear some valid points that makes you think she is annoying.

The way she's trying to bring the message is what annoys me, not the message itself. A matter of taste I guess.

 

[Gonales]

You can try it, but as it has been removed, it would be dumb if you did.

Also, you need to learn how to ignore. You can't force anyone into thinking like you do. I understand that gay people around the world have to struggle, but your militant behavior doesn't work. You act like a extremely religious person. Believe what I say or I smite you....

Can you ignore who you are? If everyday people mock you for who you are born to be?
I'm NOT forcing anyone into thinking anything, I'm just asking them to have a little respect for other people their dignity.

Militant behavior? Extreme religious person? That's a joke right? That's what you get when 6 people that don't know what it's like to be me, tell me how I should live. I hate religion, by the way. I'm atheist.

Denur, MAYBE if you think about why she brings the message that way, it might become clear that some of us, (homosexuals), really get emotionally screwed up from **** that's thrown at us everyday?

 

[massradia1]

She's not making a point. She's saying she finds it annoying when people use "gay" pejoratively.

I think that is what Dom is trying to express but can't because of her anger towards the issue.

 

[Denur]

Denur, MAYBE if you think about why she brings the message that way, it might become clear that some of us, (homosexuals), really get emotionally screwed up from **** that's thrown at us everyday?

I know very well what it is like to be gay, so drop the attitude please.

 

[Joel]

I'm NOT forcing anyone into thinking anything, I'm just asking them to have a little respect for other people their dignity.

I hate religion, by the way. I'm atheist.

Just sayin'

As for this whole thing, I wholeheartedly agree with needing to ignore these things. If I took offense at every fat joke people made (I know, you're going to tell me that it's different because I wasn't born fat so I obviously have no idea how much words can hurt), I wouldn't be enjoying life very much. The sad reality is there are a lot of people in this world who still have a problem with homosexuals. We call these people bigots, morons, idiots, or imply that they're old fashioned. There are also a lot of people who don't have a problem with homosexuality, but use gay as a negative adjective. No, it isn't nice, but for most people they really don't think about it, it's been used so much that there really isn't that connection in people's minds.

It's the same things as the words moron, imbecile, and idiot. These words used to be used to describe people with low IQ's (51-70, 26-50, and 0-25 respectively). Now they're used to describe Mitt Romney (/can of worms). Do you think the parents of mentally disabled children get offended or lobby to make saying these words illegal? I'm not trying to say that I think it's OK for people to call things gay, but I'm definitely suggesting to relax, stop getting so offended all the time, and if you know people who use these words in a derogatory sense, either confront them about it and see if they can change, or cut them out of your life.

 

[Gonales]

Just sayin'

As for this whole thing, I wholeheartedly agree with needing to ignore these things. If I took offense at every fat joke people made (I know, you're going to tell me that it's different because I wasn't born fat so I obviously have no idea how much words can hurt), I wouldn't be enjoying life very much. The sad reality is there are a lot of people in this world who still have a problem with homosexuals. We call these people bigots, morons, idiots, or imply that they're old fashioned. There are also a lot of people who don't have a problem with homosexuality, but use gay as a negative adjective. No, it isn't nice, but for most people they really don't think about it, it's been used so much that there really isn't that connection in people's minds.

It's the same things as the words moron, imbecile, and idiot. These words used to be used to describe people with low IQ's (51-70, 26-50, and 0-25 respectively). Now they're used to describe Mitt Romney (/can of worms). Do you think the parents of mentally disabled children get offended or lobby to make saying these words illegal? I'm not trying to say that I think it's OK for people to call things gay, but I'm definitely suggesting to relax, stop getting so offended all the time, and if you know people who use these words in a derogatory sense, either confront them about it and see if they can change, or cut them out of your life.

1) Which is exactly the problem :/. People don't think!
2) Cut everyone out of my life that uses the word gay in the way I don't want it? *Starts deleting half the FB friends list, leaves GTP, quits GT5, ...*(want me to go on?)
3) If more people were more like me, more emotional, and telling other people they don't like certain things, this world would be a better place.
4)Denur, if you did, you wouldn't be acting this way.

And yeah, maybe people don't like fat people and it hurts. But did you get disinherited, and lost all of your family because of the fact that you're fat? (IF you are, I don't mind, I don't care what people look like.)

 

[massradia1]

1) Which is exactly the problem :/. People don't think!
2) Cut everyone out of my life that uses the word gay in the way I don't want it? *Starts deleting half the FB friends list, leaves GTP, quits GT5, ...*(want me to go on?)
3) If more people were more like me, more emotional, and telling other people they don't like certain things, this world would be a better place.
4)Denur, if you did, you wouldn't be acting this way.

And yeah, maybe people don't like fat people and it hurts. But did you get disinherited, and lost all of your family because of the fact that you're fat? (IF you are, I don't mind, I don't care what people look like.)

Dom I think you should stop for your own benefit. I only see this going one way if you carry on raging. Begins with B and ends with N. Not trying to offend or troll you just saying you should calm down. This has happened before and didn't end well.

 

[Denur]

4)Denur, if you did, you wouldn't be acting this way.

I actually do. And what way am I acting?

 

[KinLM]

I'm a religious person.

I'm heterosexual.

I'm 14.

Despite me fitting all the criteria for the stereotypical teenager who hates gays and makes fun of them, I'm not. In 7th grade, I used the word "gay" a few times to show "stupidity" because everybody was doing it, just because that's how it works at my age.

Then my best friend told me she was a lesbian. All of a sudden, she became super depressed, she started cutting, and trying to kill herself.

All because of homophobes who said she was "infected" and such.

I've had to get in the car multiple times (despite being too young to drive) with my grandmother (thanks to Gran Turismo, I'm actually able to drive more safely than her when going at speeds to keep somebody from killing themself.), and race to her house to keep her from doing something stupid.

This isn't a disease people. She's in the top 3% in our class, she and her whole family are also super strict Catholics. She never went around advertising this, people just saw her and her girlfriend together and started making jokes about them being gay. People then realized that they actually WERE gay and it all just got worse.

Now, whenever I hear somebody use "gay" as a term to mean stupid, I find it difficult not to shove my fist in their face. You may not realize it, but it's really hurtful to her when people call her that. Just as if a person of African descent is called a word beginning with an N. It's disrespectful, and that's the fact about it, no discussion.

Since then, I've done everything I can to make her happy. She loves me like I'm a family member. But the thing is, if people didn't judge her for this one thing, she would've never needed me to be there. And while it makes me happy to think that I've saved her life in a way, I'd give away all the happiness I've gotten from being here for her if those people would just accept her for the amazing girl she is instead.

Open your eyes people.

 

[Joel]

1) Which is exactly the problem :/. People don't think!
2) Cut everyone out of my life that uses the word gay in the way I don't want it? *Starts deleting half the FB friends list, leaves GTP, quits GT5, ...*(want me to go on?)
3) If more people were more like me, more emotional, and telling other people they don't like certain things, this world would be a better place.
4)Denur, if you did, you wouldn't be acting this way.

1). Yes, it sucks and it's unfortunate that fag has become an insult. People should think about it a little more and try to stop saying it so much.
2) If it really does bother you as much as you seem to be implying, that might be the only way to deal with it. I delete anyone on FB that repeatedly says things I find annoying.
3) If everyone was so concerned with not hurting people's feelings, you wouldn't be able to be on this forum and be open about your sexuality. Not very long ago even acknowledging the mere existence of homosexuality was offensive and would enrage people. I get what you're saying, it's not tactful to run around offending people on purpose, but it's an unfortunate part of life (there's also that a lot of social progress is inherently offensive to some). Put your big boy or big girl pants on and move on.

And yeah, maybe people don't like fat people and it hurts. But did you get disinherited, and lost all of your family because of the fact that you're fat? (IF you are, I don't mind, I don't care what people look like.)

Oh, right. My hurt feelings aren't as hurt as your hurt feelings. I did have a hard time in elementary school growing up as the fat kid, and it did suck. But you know what? I put it in perspective, and hardened the hell up. There's people in this world who are insecure about themselves, and use insulting others as a way to make up for these deficiencies. Look at it from this angle and it becomes easier to just ignore these people.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/10/taking_a_break_from_politics_r.html#incart_river_default

There's Romney making a fat joke btw. The point is people can and will make a joke at someone's expense about anything.

 

[arora]

I don't think anyone on gtp is running around posting/calling people gay in a derogatory manner, in fact I'm sure if they did the posts would be deleted and the person warned/infracted/banned.

The truth is everyone should treat each other with respect, the reality is that will never happen.

When I was a kid I was teased quite a bit, as I've grown older I'm teased even more so what.

Funny, when I was in elementary school I used to walk to school with my cello in an old lady grocery cart, I caught all sorts of flack for that, but I loved playing the cello so I didn't care. I do think it made me aware and more prone to stick up for others in the school yard for various 'weirdo' infractions.

I call people that are not gay gay all the time, it's a joke, if I had a gay friend I'd call him straight. Lose the stigma and the word ceases to have hurtful meaning.

This is what I am called on other boards and irl. Hill billy, lazy, clown, right wing wacko, preacher, professor, short, ugly, billy goat, the list runs long. I have to admit it's a bit tiresome if things are said behind your back, I tend to cut people who do that out in general regardless of who they are speaking of, if it is of a truly mean spirited nature, joking is fine by me.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Mr. Disappointed Emu...We meet again.

 

[arora]

And ffs I forgot a vid : here we go, and this time it is very profane language so don't click if you don't like those things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XoyDqFy5pU

 

[sumbrownkid]

Appropriate song for the topic.👍

I wanna start a movement to make Gay mean happy again in the larger English narrative.

So many times I heard fellow classmates say that exam is "gay" just because they didn't like it.

I've yet to figure out how an exam will make me like men more...

 

[Joel]

I've yet to figure out how an exam will make me like men more...

Women's studies comes to mind.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Women's studies comes to mind.

I just see that as an easy A+. And I'm actually taking a woman's study related course to complete my minor.

Give me a manly subject like Charlie Sheen Anthropology or Chuck Norris Biology.👍

 

[FoolKiller]

Then my best friend told me she was a lesbian. All of a sudden, she became super depressed, she started cutting, and trying to kill herself.

All because of homophobes who said she was "infected" and such.

It is not "all" because of bigots. Depression is far more complex than this. No one hurts themselves or wants to kill themselves just because others dislike them. These are signs of a self-image problem, bullies just reinforce it. That is why no amount of hate or bullying seems to affect openly proud homosexuals and they are always super (thanks for asking). Until you learn this you will never be able to truly help your friend. You can be angry at people who speak out of ignorance (infected? Really? Is that the new thing now?) all you want and even beat each of them to death, but it will never make her feel better s out herself.

she and her whole family are also super strict Catholics.

I suspect this is a larger part of her problem. Her entire upbringing was in a religion based on guilt and that homosexuals are going to Hell. Until she can realize that she is not wrong or guilty and that her family and church are the ones that are wrong she won't be able to love herself.

And if she keeps calling you before doing something and hesitating long enough for you to get there she is just crying for help. And keep in mind that she risks putting you in legal trouble and possible endangering you, your grandmother, and others by having someone without proper driving training (GT does not count) drive to her house in a fast manner.

Now, whenever I hear somebody use "gay" as a term to mean stupid, I find it difficult not to shove my fist in their face. You may not realize it, but it's really hurtful to her when people call her that. Just as if a person of African descent is called a word beginning with an N. It's disrespectful, and that's the fact about it, no discussion.

There is a difference. The N-word was created as a degrading term. Gay was not. Gay, queer, and faggot all have alternate, legitimate meanings. In the case of gay and queer they do have roots in meaning overly/strangely happy (flamboyant) or weird/odd. They were used very similarly before society recognized homosexuality as something all around us. You should be fighting that gay and queer no longer refer to homosexuals, as that is historically calling them weird.

Maybe next time you hear someone say, "That's gay" you could just respond with, "That is weird."



And while we're in the topic of using words in an offensive manner, can we please only use homophobia to describe a legitimate uncontrollable psychological fear of homosexuals? Calling every bigot a homophobe is insulting to people with a psychological disorder. Some people may even be confused and uncomfortable around homosexuals because they are unable to understand it, but defend their equal rights. And some mean bigots may not be afraid at all.

 

[KinLM]

It is not "all" because of bigots. Depression is far more complex than this. No one hurts themselves or wants to kill themselves just because others dislike them. These are signs of a self-image problem, bullies just reinforce it. That is why no amount of hate or bullying seems to affect openly proud homosexuals and they are always super (thanks for asking). Until you learn this you will never be able to truly help your friend. You can be angry at people who speak out of ignorance (infected? Really? Is that the new thing now?) all you want and even beat each of them to death, but it will never make her feel better s out herself.

I suspect this is a larger part of her problem. Her entire upbringing was an a religion based on guilt and that homosexuals are going to Hell. Until she can realize that she is not wrong or guilty and that her family and church are the ones that are wrong she won't be able to love herself.

And if she keeps calling you before doing something and hesitating long enough for you to get there she is just crying for help. And keep in mind that she risks putting you in legal trouble and possible endangering you, your grandmother, and others by having someone without proper driving training (GT does not count) drive to her house in a fast manner.

There is a difference. The N-word was created as a degrading term. Gay was not. Gay, queer, and faggot all have alternate, legitimate meanings. In the case of gay and queer they do have roots in meaning overly/strangely happy (flamboyant) or weird/odd. They were used very similarly before society recognized homosexuality as something all around us. You should be fighting that gay and queer no longer refer to homosexuals, as that is historically calling them weird.

Maybe next time you hear someone say, "That's gay" you could just respond with, "That is weird."

And while we're in the topic of using words in an offensive manner, can we please only use homophobia to describe a legitimate uncontrollable psychological
fear of homosexuals? Calling every bigotry a homophobe is insulting to people with a psychological disorder. Some people may even be confused and uncomfortable around homosexuals because they are unable to understand it, but defend their equal rights. And some mean bigots may not be afraid at all.

If she was confident, then yes the bullies would not matter, true.

But I use homophobes because this is the problem. Her parents will not talk to her and will not allow her to talk to girls whenever they find out she has a girlfriend, and this has the largest toll of anything it seems. They truly are homophobes, this is not an exaggeration.

And I am also aware that she needs help mentally with her self-concept, this is why I always try and do anything I can to make her feel better about herself.

Might I add that this is a while ago, a few years back. She's better now. I've even had another friend with a similar event since then..