The Homosexuality Discussion Thread

[Johnnypenso]

Difference is, they are offended by the word, I'm not. I'm offended if somebody uses it to express malcontent over something, which makes it offensive. It's like saying, that you don't like something so you call it African-American. Same thing. (Because in your opinion that word isn't offensive, the meaning it gets will be.)

(And since a lot of people in this thread tried to make the word go back to it's original meaning, I consider that quite annoying as well.)

P.S.: Your whole post was kind of lacking trustworthiness, because playing for hundreds of hours and not hearing gay or faggot used in a derogative way... That's Impossible.

(New plan, let's make a Mission Impossible movie where Ethan Hunt needs to learn people on the internet how to have a decent conversation..*Sarcasm*)

How convenient for you that you can just sweep everything away by saying that someone else is insulted and not you because of course, the world revolves around you and everything that happens to you. You missed the entire point. You engage in the same behaviour as others you are decrying but it's ok because you don't feel the same way about the insults...that's hypocrisy at it's finest.

And no, it's not impossible to play this game without hearing the word fag or homo or whatever because I've never heard it. And I've posted in many threads over the last two years expressing my surprise at the outrageous behaviour others have experienced online because I have not. And I know the reason why, it's down in my sig below. I've always followed a certain set of guidelines searching for online rooms and never deviated from it, and I think in doing so, I've avoided all the crap other people run into because the rooms I tend to visit are well organized.

 

[photonrider]

Nothing wrong with people loving each other, and living together, as long as they are of mature and responsible age.

Love and Reproduction don't have to go together - check your dogs.

As for proprietorship concerning the property involved - those that are called upon to enforce the rules should have the right to lay down the regulations.

Insulting words will always exist. They are the weapons of cowards with low self-esteem - and are rarely heard IRL - though quite rife in Virtual reality of any sort.

 

[Gonales]

How convenient for you that you can just sweep everything away by saying that someone else is insulted and not you because of course, the world revolves around you and everything that happens to you. You missed the entire point. You engage in the same behaviour as others you are decrying but it's ok because you don't feel the same way about the insults...that's hypocrisy at it's finest.

And no, it's not impossible to play this game without hearing the word fag or homo or whatever because I've never heard it. And I've posted in many threads over the last two years expressing my surprise at the outrageous behaviour others have experienced online because I have not. And I know the reason why, it's down in my sig below. I've always followed a certain set of guidelines searching for online rooms and never deviated from it, and I think in doing so, I've avoided all the crap other people run into because the rooms I tend to visit are well organized.

As I stated before, I do never intentionally offend people, and watch my vocabulary to try and avoid it. If someone does get offended, I will find out why, and apologize. That's the difference. Whenever you ask someone that says faggot, or that's gay, most likely they will spam the same word in your face. I don't rage at friends that use the word by accident, I will just ask them to mind my presence.

And by stating you can avoid that kind of people, by following your guidelines, I've just got one thing to say: total rubbish. Perfectly moderated lobbies can still contain assholes.

P.S.: Thanks for the wise words Photon.

 

[photonrider]

Thanks for the wise words Photon.

You're welcome, kind sir; glad you understood.

Perfectly moderated lobbies can still contain assholes.

This can happen. Absolute power corrupts. Absolutely. And likewise the definition of perfection to suit, too.

 

[arora]

Arora, what do you consider a person who does things especially to annoy other people?

I think you missed my point.

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I too thought it would be grand if everyone thought as I did, it lasted about 5 minutes then I realized how boring it would be, beside that how could I be king?

As for your gt lobby complaints or whatever it is, I'd rather not live as a 5 year old in a kinder garden class, yes it means putting up with some things you don't like but it's better then the alternatives imo.

 

[Gonales]

I think you missed my point.

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I too thought it would be grand if everyone thought as I did, it lasted about 5 minutes then I realized how boring it would be, beside that how could I be king?

As for your gt lobby complaints or whatever it is, I'd rather not live as a 5 year old in a kinder garden class, yes it means putting up with some things you don't like but it's better then the alternatives imo.

I didn't miss your point. I'm making very clear that I don't like a couple of things and you do exactly those things. How can I misunderstand that?

You might, but I don't. Discussion over :/

And Photon, I'm not a sir. Even though I know you meant no disrespect, I want to clear up that belief

 

[arora]

Maybe I'm the one missing the point, first you say you don't want words used in a way they were not intended, I agree with you on that point. Then you say you don't want words used according to their definition? That's where you lose me, is it because misuse has spoiled the words to the point they should no longer be used in any context? That sounds like censorship to me so I guess we've gone full circle.

Just about anything can be considered offensive to one person or another, that was not my intent.

 

[Johnnypenso]

As I stated before, I do never intentionally offend people, and watch my vocabulary to try and avoid it. If someone does get offended, I will find out why, and apologize. That's the difference. Whenever you ask someone that says faggot, or that's gay, most likely they will spam the same word in your face. I don't rage at friends that use the word by accident, I will just ask them to mind my presence.

And by stating you can avoid that kind of people, by following your guidelines, I've just got one thing to say: total rubbish. Perfectly moderated lobbies can still contain assholes.

P.S.: Thanks for the wise words Photon.

Herein lies the problem. People are asserting that they use a certain word, in this case "gay" as in "that's gay", without intending harm and you think they should apologize to you because you don't like that they are using that particular word in that context. People like you think the rest of the world should run around apologizing to you because something bothers you, and not them. You want to tell the rest of the world how to live and behave because your feelings are hurt. Newsflash, the world does not revolve around you or your feelings. At best you could receive an "I'm sorry your feelings are hurt" as opposed to "I'm sorry" ...if you get the difference.

At the same time, your mind is not open to the truth when spoken from another, me in this case. I do follow those guidelines I suggest and I have never heard the word fag, queer, homo, gearbox, quiff etc. to the best of my recollection in hundreds of hours online. You see I prefer to play with adults. I tend to go into rooms with adults because the parameters I used in choosing an Open Lobby, tends to attract mature adults or mature minded young adults or children. I have played with kids under 16 before and it's never been a problem. On the rare occasion I see drivers acting "childish" like running backwards, I will usually leave long before it begins to affect my racing experience.

 

[Villain]

Immaturity is bad, mmmkay?

Let's not confuse immaturity with homophobia (although they may coincide). I don't think that the childishness of many online video game players was the intented topic of this thread.

 

[Gonales]

Maybe I'm the one missing the point, first you say you don't want words used in a way they were not intended, I agree with you on that point. Then you say you don't want words used according to their definition? That's where you lose me, is it because misuse has spoiled the words to the point they should no longer be used in any context? That sounds like censorship to me so I guess we've gone full circle.

Just about anything can be considered offensive to one person or another, that was not my intent.

I don't want people using words that when they know when using the word, will offend people. The word gay, there is nothing wrong with it. Using it to describe a negative experience or emotion, then it is.

Herein lies the problem. People are asserting that they use a certain word, in this case "gay" as in "that's gay", without intending harm and you think they should apologize to you because you don't like that they are using that particular word in that context. People like you think the rest of the world should run around apologizing to you because something bothers you, and not them. You want to tell the rest of the world how to live and behave because your feelings are hurt. Newsflash, the world does not revolve around you or your feelings. At best you could receive an "I'm sorry your feelings are hurt" as opposed to "I'm sorry" ...if you get the difference.

Without intending harm? Always then they use that word they insult the homosexual community. That's the problem mate. It's an extremely bad habit which makes no sense, and is just about as useless carrying water to the sea. People have a LOT of vocabulary to express themselves, why the hell would they use a word that's purposely hurtful?

At the same time, your mind is not open to the truth when spoken from another, me in this case. I do follow those guidelines I suggest and I have never heard the word fag, queer, homo, gearbox, quiff etc. to the best of my recollection in hundreds of hours online. You see I prefer to play with adults. I tend to go into rooms with adults because the parameters I used in choosing an Open Lobby, tends to attract mature adults or mature minded young adults or children. I have played with kids under 16 before and it's never been a problem. On the rare occasion I see drivers acting "childish" like running backwards, I will usually leave long before it begins to affect my racing experience.

My mind is not open? Really? You seem to forget that daily, there are only 2 or 3 good lobbies for drifters. We don't have the luxury to switch every 5 mins when we don't like someone. On top of that, you can't choose who you play with. I have the perfect proof of that: With 3 team mates in a private lobby, people ask the host to add someone for that person to join. I don't like that person but get ignored. So I'm either forced to leave a great lobby or to play with the asshole. Get my point?

 

[Azuremen]

Without intending harm? Always then they use that word they insult the homosexual community. That's the problem mate. It's an extremely bad habit which makes no sense, and is just about as useless carrying water to the sea. People have a LOT of vocabulary to express themselves, why the hell would they use a word that's purposely hurtful?

Because in their mind it is not a purposely hurtful word, probably due to them not having a direct relation with all the various meanings the word could have.

Honestly, you're argument and stance hasn't changed at all - you want people to mindful of you, a special snowflake that feels insulted by the slightest thing, while disregarding that you may in fact insult others with your own words.

And if you think suppressing Freedom of Speech is the solution, to be frank, makes you daft.

 

[FoolKiller]

I don't want people using words that when they know when using the word, will offend people. The word gay, there is nothing wrong with it. Using it to describe a negative experience or emotion, then it is.

How did he use it to describe a negative experience or emotion? He used it ithe way it was long used before people used it as a term for homosexuals (think about the original meanings of gay and queer, then tell me why you want to be called that) and before homosexuals embraced it. That definition is happy. As in the Flinstones theme song saying, "We'll have a gay old time!"



Sorry if the last line in that video offended you.

Of course, if you think happy is a negative emotion then that may explain a lot.

Without intending harm? Always then they use that word they insult the homosexual community.

Believe it or not, people, particularly immature and/or young people, may say something that offends certain people without intending to. We have repeatedly tried pointing this out in your very own statements in this thread.

And if you can't understand that and can't accept that immature people will act immaturely no matter what you do or say then I really think we are all just wasting our time. What's the point if you think everyone, no matter their ability or willingness to understand, should do it just as you wish?

But here is a hint for you: I never hear these comments online, because I too grew tired of the immature people online. I don't use headsets if I play with strangers. Imagine that, I can just turn them off instead of spending my days complaining about bullies and depression and "whoa is me!" rants.

As I raise my daughter I pray (sorry, is that offensive?) that I can teach her to deal with insistent bullies in a more constructive way than complaining.

 

[photonrider]

And Photon, I'm not a sir. Even though I know you meant no disrespect, I want to clear up that belief

Yes, ma'am.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes, ma'am.

Gonales didn't say he/she/?? was a Ma'am either, just not a sir. Gonales should be insulted that you automatically assume that Gonales is a Ma'am just because Gonales is not a sir. There are other possibilities you know. There's a 50% chance you just insulted Gonales so be prepared to apologize...lol..

 

[Gonales]

Because in their mind it is not a purposely hurtful word, probably due to them not having a direct relation with all the various meanings the word could have.

Honestly, you're argument and stance hasn't changed at all - you want people to mindful of you, a special snowflake that feels insulted by the slightest thing, while disregarding that you may in fact insult others with your own words.

And if you think suppressing Freedom of Speech is the solution, to be frank, makes you daft.

1: Their mind doesn't realise what it should realise then. If kids that are raised in a discriminating environment, and they discriminate other people, they don't realise they do something wrong either. Does that mean YOU are okay with discrimination?
If they don't know what their words mean, why use them in the first place? Plus, if you ask people what gay means, I guess 90% will tell you one of the meanings is homosexual, which makes your statement useless.

2: your argument* , I want people to be mindful to everybody and not selfish degenerates on purpose. If that's so bad, sue me. And no, my stance hasn't changed, and it won't as long as people like you come to give me crap about it instead of talking about it like a normal person. (Like Dennisch).

3: Calling someone daft is an insult on purpose, is it not? Or don't you know what it means now as well?

4: Besides:

This was by far the worst apocalypse I've ever been through. It wasn't physically devastating or anything, it was all of the people talking about it. It got real annoying. There should be a new law that gives fines to people spreading stupid conspiracies like that. Oh well... Hopefully as time goes on there won't be so much talk about it - until the next one, of course.

HE is talking about 'suppressing' freedom of speech as well. Go hate on his idea as well? Oh wait you didn't! I wonder why...

Gonales didn't say he/she/?? was a Ma'am either, just not a sir. Gonales should be insulted that you automatically assume that Gonales is a Ma'am just because Gonales is not a sir. There are other possibilities you know. There's a 50% chance you just insulted Gonales so be prepared to apologize...lol..

I could be, and I know some people who would be. Now go try to be funny somewhere else -.-

 

[homeforsummer]

Gonales didn't say he/she/?? was a Ma'am either, just not a sir. Gonales should be insulted that you automatically assume that Gonales is a Ma'am just because Gonales is not a sir. There are other possibilities you know. There's a 50% chance you just insulted Gonales so be prepared to apologize...lol..

I could be, and I know some people who would be. Now go try to be funny somewhere else -.-

Well Johnnypenso, it appears you've proven your point. Gonales can be offended by literally anything...

 

[Azuremen]

1: Their mind doesn't realise what it should realise then. If they don't know what their words mean, why use them in the first place? Plus, if you ask people what gay means, I guess 90% will tell you one of the meanings is homosexual, which makes your statement useless.

So you want people to be aware of slang use that varies from region to region, even if they've had no interaction with some forms of slang? Fag in British English can easily mean Cigarette. Cultural differences make what you are suggesting damn near impossible.

I suggest you watch the South Park episode "The F Word" as it oddly relates to this topic.

2: your argument* , I want people to be mindful to everybody and not selfish degenerates on purpose. If that's so bad, sue me. And no, my stance hasn't changed, and it won't as long as people like you come to give me crap about it instead of talking about it like a normal person. (Like Dennisch).

Congrats, I mad a grammatical error.

You realize that being mindful of everyone is, literally, impossible, for the reasons I mentioned above? Context and cultural differences make it far to difficult to understand how people will always perceive you, such as biting your nail can be considered offensive in some cultures while being absolutely trivial in others.

And I was having a "normal" persona conversation on the topic till you basically denied the opinions of everyone else, have mocked them, made implications ("people like you" and your use of the word normal), and I could go on. The irony is beyond absurd.

3: Calling someone daft is an insult on purpose, is it not? Or don't you know what it means now as well?

I very much think it is foolish to believe suppressing people's right to Free Speech in some pointless endeavor to protect people's delicate feelings. Virtually everyone has things they can easily get offended over. Part of becoming mature is learning how to take things in stride. For instance I could easily get worked when people make, often unknowingly, jokes about my parents, who are both dead. Instead I just go with it because there are so many other things to worry about and fret over in this world.

Or you can sit there, as you seem to enjoy doing, and take everything incredibly personally and just complain about how unjust the world is.

I could be, and I know some people who would be. Now go try to be funny somewhere else -.-

I quite enjoy his posts here, and it could be considered offensive to tell someone that they aren't funny.

 

[Gonales]

Well Johnnypenso, it appears you've proven your point. Gonales can be offended by literally anything...

Who says I'm offended? It literally says I could be, which does NOT mean I am. Seriously :/

 

[Famine]

So you want people to be aware of slang use that varies from region to region, even if they've had no interaction with some forms of slang? Fag in British English can easily mean Cigarette. Cultural differences make what you are suggesting damn near impossible.

More than can - it does.

And the second most common use of the word fag is "a junior boy who acts as a servant to a senior boy at a boarding school". And a faggot is a meatball (sort of) or a bundle of sticks.

The only reason any of us know it as a derogatory term for a homosexual is because of the internet. 95% of the time, when a Brit says fag, they mean cigarette.

 

[Azuremen]

Who says I'm offended? It literally says I could be, which does NOT mean I am. Seriously :/

The fact that you can't take a single joke is just absurdly telling.

Lighten up. Just a touch.

Also consider responding to the actual points people are making, rather than trying to straighten out something that had, perhaps just touch, sarcasm to it.

 

[Gonales]

So you want people to be aware of slang use that varies from region to region, even if they've had no interaction with some forms of slang? Fag in British English can easily mean Cigarette. Cultural differences make what you are suggesting damn near impossible.

I suggest you watch the South Park episode "The F Word" as it oddly relates to this topic.

It's really simple. I asked people on here to watch what they say, I never mentioned anyone else out there did I?
And slang? If the word 'Gay' is slang, I'll cancel my account. And yes, I know what fag can mean in English, but I doubt a person can be 'a ****ing cigarette', can they? (IF used in your context).

Congrats, I mad a grammatical error.

You realize that being mindful of everyone is, literally, impossible, for the reasons I mentioned above? Context and cultural differences make it far to difficult to understand how people will always perceive you, such as biting your nail can be considered offensive in some cultures while being absolutely trivial in others.

No it's not. I have an overweight friend, so I won't make jokes about overweight people in his presence. I have a Transgender friend, so I talked to her about what she wants to be called, etc. Whats so difficult about that?

And I was having a "normal" persona conversation on the topic till you basically denied the opinions of everyone else, have mocked them, made implications ("people like you" and your use of the word normal), and I could go on. The irony is beyond absurd.

I very much think it is foolish to believe suppressing people's right to Free Speech in some pointless endeavor to protect people's delicate feelings. Virtually everyone has things they can easily get offended over. Part of becoming mature is learning how to take things in stride. For instance I could easily get worked when people make, often unknowingly, jokes about my parents, who are both dead. Instead I just go with it because there are so many other things to worry about and fret over in this world.

No, not everyone has. But asking people to watch a bit what they say, instead of using words that are very very likely to insult people... If you can't do that, what is the world coming to -.- And dude, if I made a joke about your parents, and you would tell me what happened, I would apologise and remember. If that is too hard for you as well, I wonder...

Or you can sit there, as you seem to enjoy doing, and take everything incredibly personally and just complain about how unjust the world is.

Who says I'm complaining about how unjust the world is? Why don't you assume that I also said I was going to kill everyone that dislikes homosexuals? IF you wanna reply to a topic, make sure you know what you reply to -.-

I quite enjoy his posts here, and it could be considered offensive to tell someone that they aren't funny.

Yes it could be. Hence I told him to go be funny somewhere else. Because in my opinion, he is not helping the discussion on this topic in any way, and he is just making fun of people which is also, possibly offensive. See? His comment was not needed.

More than can - it does.

And the second most common use of the word fag is "a junior boy who acts as a servant to a senior boy at a boarding school". And a faggot is a meatball (sort of) or a bundle of sticks.

The only reason any of us know it as a derogatory term for a homosexual is because of the internet. 95% of the time, when a Brit says fag, they mean cigarette.

Yes. But in that context, the world has a completely other meaning. I know the difference. If someone doesn't, and get offended... You could maybe explain that person the meaning of the word you used. Which would help the both of you.

The fact that you can't take a single joke is just absurdly telling.

Lighten up. Just a touch.

Also consider responding to the actual points people are making, rather than trying to straighten out something that had, perhaps just touch, sarcasm to it.

Seriously, read what I am writing! I never said that I was offended for crying out loud. Don't make assumptions, definitely not if they are wrong!

 

[Famine]

It's really simple. I asked people on here to watch what they say, I never mentioned anyone else out there did I? And slang? If the word 'Gay' is slang, I'll cancel my account.

Actually, you did when you said freedom of speech should be curtailed and an individual you'd declared homophobic (with still absent evidence) should be imprisoned for his opinions (that he's not expressed).

It's also not your place to determine what's acceptable language on here. That rests with one person and one person only. Incidentally, you've been told more times than I care to count in this thread that the staff routinely hand out infractions to anyone who uses the term "gay" in a derogatory fashion, so I have no Earthly clue what exactly your problem with GTPlanet and its members actually is.

No it's not. I have an overweight friend, so I won't make jokes about overweight people in his presence.

Oh yes. It's much better to make fat jokes behind his back or when you think he isn't listening. Top notch friending, that.

What would you think of people you call friends if you discover they make gay jokes behind your back?

 

[Azuremen]

It's really simple. I asked people on here to watch what they say, I never mentioned anyone else out there did I?
And slang? If the word 'Gay' is slang, I'll cancel my account. And yes, I know what fag can mean in English, but I doubt a person can be 'a ****ing cigarette', can they? (IF used in your context).

Better cancel that account, as gay is not classically defined as being an homosexual and is generally considered to only mean that because of slang.

And I don't see what you are trying to do with the expletive - cigarette thing.

No it's not. I have an overweight friend, so I won't make jokes about overweight people in his presence. I have a Transgender friend, so I talked to her about what she wants to be called, etc. Whats so difficult about that?

So it is okay to use potentially offensive words when those that are most likely to be offended aren't around?

No, not everyone has. But asking people to watch a bit what they say, instead of using words that are very very likely to insult people... If you can't do that, what is the world coming to -.- And dude, if I made a joke about your parents, and you would tell me what happened, I would apologise and remember. If that is too hard for you as well, I wonder...

And if you can't let things go easily when people are just being, you know, human then what is the world coming to?

And what are you implying is too hard for me as well? Finish your thoughts please.

Who says I'm complaining about how unjust the world is? Why don't you assume that I also said I was going to kill everyone that dislikes homosexuals? IF you wanna reply to a topic, make sure you know what you reply to -.-

You realize all you've done is complain about how people use words that can be taken the wrong way? And how it makes you wonder what the world is coming to because people can't all be perfectly polite and nice, while the reality is you are only offended because you choose to be offended by words.

Words only have power because people give them power. You ignore a person because of the words they use, you not only strip those words of power but also the person.

Yes it could be. Hence I told him to go be funny somewhere else. Because in my opinion, he is not helping the discussion on this topic in any way, and he is just making fun of people which is also, possibly offensive. See? His comment was not needed.

Well, I was amused along with some others it seems, so I'd say he is just fine here. We have moderators to handle off-topic posts.

Yes. But in that context, the world has a completely other meaning. I know the difference. If someone doesn't, and get offended... You could maybe explain that person the meaning of the word you used. Which would help the both of you.

And would you still be offended if they choose to continue using the word in the manner they are most familiar with?

Seriously, read what I am writing! I never said that I was offended for crying out loud. Don't make assumptions, definitely not if they are wrong!

I've read what you are writing. Perhaps you should reconsider the manner in which you present yourself, as it seems I'm not alone in drawing these sorts of conclusions from your posts.

 

[Gonales]

Better cancel that account, as gay is not classically defined as being an homosexual and is generally considered to only mean that because of slang.

Do you have any kind of evidence of that? :/ Imo, people know damn well what it means.

And I don't see what you are trying to do with the expletive - cigarette thing.

If people tell me, that I'm a ****ing fag... I know that they don't mean that I'm a cigarette.

So it is okay to use potentially offensive words when those that are most likely to be offended aren't around?

*see reply to Famine*

And if you can't let things go easily when people are just being, you know, human then what is the world coming to?

If human means that people insult everyone and don't care about it, then the world has come to be a place I don't want to live in.

And what are you implying is too hard for me as well? Finish your thoughts please.

Being respectful when asked obviously. Quote: "if I made a joke about your parents, and you would tell me what happened, I would apologise and remember. If that is too hard for you as well, I wonder..."

You realize all you've done is complain about how people use words that can be taken the wrong way? And how it makes you wonder what the world is coming to because people can't all be perfectly polite and nice, while the reality is you are only offended because you choose to be offended by words.

No, I simply asked people to watch their usage! :/ I choose to be offended? Really? NOBODY can ignore if they get called names every day. Like you said, were all human, and so am I.

Words only have power because people give them power. You ignore a person because of the words they use, you not only strip those words of power but also the person.

You really believe that nonsense?

And would you still be offended if they choose to continue using the word in the manner they are most familiar with?

Depends on the manner they use it. If they are most familiar with the wrong way of using it, yes I would. IF, like Famine stated, they use it as a synonym for a cigarette, No I would not.

I've read what you are writing. Perhaps you should reconsider the manner in which you present yourself, as it seems I'm not alone in drawing these sorts of conclusions from your posts.

No, perhaps you should not assume (like you do all the time), that life exists in Black and White. Nor that my English expressions are perfect. Nor that you know what I'm thinking.

Actually, you did when you said freedom of speech should be curtailed and an individual you'd declared homophobic (with still absent evidence) should be imprisoned for his opinions (that he's not expressed).

It's also not your place to determine what's acceptable language on here. That rests with one person and one person only. Incidentally, you've been told more times than I care to count in this thread that the staff routinely hand out infractions to anyone who uses the term "gay" in a derogatory fashion, so I have no Earthly clue what exactly your problem with GTPlanet and its members actually is.

Oh yes. It's much better to make fat jokes behind his back or when you think he isn't listening. Top notch friending, that.

Who says I'm determining it? I asked didn't I?

What would you think of people you call friends if you discover they make gay jokes behind your back?

Don't assume I make jokes behind people their backs, when I say I don't do it in their presence.

 

[Famine]

Do you have any kind of evidence of that? :/ Imo, people know damn well what it means.

Your opinion is not evidence either.

Who says I'm determining it? I asked didn't I?

Every time you ask a user not to use certain language, you're deciding what is appropriate for this site based on your opinion and nothing else.

Jordan decides that, not you. We enforce that decision, not you. If you see something you think is offensive, report it.

Don't assume I make jokes behind people their backs, when I say I don't do it in their presence.

If you meant you do not make those kind of jokes at all, say that. What you said was you don't make those kind of jokes in their presence. We can only read what you say, not what is in your head.

Why do you need to cite that you have a fat friend anyway? Surely you should be mindful of the offensiveness of those kind of jokes whether it personally affects you or anyone you know of not.

But then all jokes require a subject and that subject is being made fun of. All jokes are offensive to something or someone...

 

[Gonales]

Your opinion is not evidence either.Every time you ask a user not to use certain language, you're deciding what is appropriate for this site based on your opinion and nothing else.

If you think asking = deciding, than seriously sir... You need to learn the difference.

Jordan decides that, not you. We enforce that decision, not you. If you see something you think is offensive, report it.If you meant you do not make those kind of jokes at all, say that. What you said was you don't make those kind of jokes in their presence. We can only read what you say, not what is in your head.

Which means, only use what I write, not add anything to it's meaning.

Why do you need to cite that you have a fat friend anyway? Surely you should be mindful of the offensiveness of those kind of jokes whether it personally affects you or anyone you know of not.

Yes, I am aware of the offensiveness, but I was giving an example of the fact that I keep my friends in mind.

But then all jokes require a subject and that subject is being made fun of. All jokes are offensive to something or someone...

Nope, not all.

 

[Famine]

If you think asking = deciding, than seriously sir... You need to learn the difference.

You've decided that it's unacceptable. You then ask people not to do it. That's two things, not one. Neither of those things are your prerogative on GTPlanet.

Since your writing displays a clear lack of awareness of the nuances of language, you need to stop condescending to others about theirs.

Which means, only use what I write, not add anything to it's meaning.

And you wrote that you have a fat friend so you don't make fat jokes in their presence.

You didn't write that you don't make fat jokes at all.

You didn't write that you don't make fat jokes at all because it's offensive to do so and it's not relevant what your personal circle is.

You wrote that you have a fat friend so you don't make fat jokes in their presence.

Yes, I am aware of the offensiveness, but I was giving an example of the fact that I keep my friends in mind.

Why? Why is it relevant who your friends are? You should choose not to be offensive because it's offensive.

Nope, not all.

Please provide me an example of a joke where there is no subject.

 

[Gonales]

You've decided that it's unacceptable. You then ask people not to do it. That's two things, not one. Neither of those things are your prerogative on GTPlanet.

Yes, I think it's unacceptable. Yes, I asked people to do it. Since the first is an opinion, (opinions forum?), and the second is a polite request which people can and obviously have ignored, I don't see the problem. And yes, it IS my prerogative to ask things. Or do you think my question automatically mean that it's banned? Than you would give me power I don't have, not the other way around.

Since your writing displays a clear lack of awareness of the nuances of language, you need to stop condescending to others about theirs.And you wrote that you have a fat friend so you don't make fat jokes in their presence.

Since my use of language has been vague, and you guys making conclusions time and again about the meaning of it, I suggest you don't make conclusions NOR assumptions and take my words LITERALLY. That's why it's called text.

You didn't write that you don't make fat jokes at all.
You didn't write that you don't make fat jokes at all because it's offensive to do so and it's not relevant what your personal circle is.

No, nor did I write that I make fat jokes at all. Assumption.

You wrote that you have a fat friend so you don't make fat jokes in their presence.Why? Why is it relevant who your friends are? You should choose not to be offensive because it's offensive.

"You should choose not to be offensive because it's offensive." Which IS what I asked in the first post I made on this thread. And which is exactly what I do. The fact that my friends are overweight, and trans, just points out, that even I don't need to (because I don't make jokes about such things), I still take it into consideration.

Please provide me an example of a joke where there is no subject.

Sure, if you want a joke that's not offensive: What is green and ski's down a mountain?

(P.S.: the answer is a ski-wi, I know, it's lame but it's a perfect example.)

 

[Azuremen]

If human means that people insult everyone and don't care about it, then the world has come to be a place I don't want to live in.

That isn't what I said at all but okay.

Being respectful when asked obviously. Quote: "if I made a joke about your parents, and you would tell me what happened, I would apologise and remember. If that is too hard for you as well, I wonder..."

I'm being respectful by not making them feel like crap by bringing up something as depressing as dead parents.

No, I simply asked people to watch their usage! :/ I choose to be offended? Really? NOBODY can ignore if they get called names every day. Like you said, were all human, and so am I.

Actually, plenty of people can. You just don't seem to want to accept that

You really believe that nonsense?

Considering I just said it, yes.

And you say I'm rude

Depends on the manner they use it. If they are most familiar with the wrong way of using it, yes I would. IF, like Famine stated, they use it as a synonym for a cigarette, No I would not.

So you're the word police now?

No, perhaps you should not assume (like you do all the time), that life exists in Black and White. Nor that my English expressions are perfect. Nor that you know what I'm thinking.

Oh the irony here. I never assume the world is Black and White, nor do I assume your English is perfect. I read what you write and build statements in response based on that. You then accuse me of reading into it wildly when, in case you hadn't noticed, everyone else is kind of drawing the same conclusions from your posts.

 

[Gonales]

That isn't what I said at all but okay.

It is the point you guys are trying to make with judging my question, is it not?

I'm being respectful by not making them feel like crap by bringing up something as depressing as dead parents.

And if you didn't know? That's what I'm saying! I can't be perfect with my words either, but I do apologise. But seeing everyone else in this thread thinks that that's only for weak people... :/

Actually, plenty of people can. You just don't seem to want to accept that

Yeah, a lot can. But you know what? A lot can't either.

Considering I just said it, yes.
And you say I'm rude

Next time I'll put up a sarcasm sign.

So you're the word police now?

No, I'm just pointing out what I consider offensive when people use a specific word. Like the assumption Famine made... You make the assumption I decide for YOU what you should feel. I never said that.

Oh the irony here. I never assume the world is Black and White, nor do I assume your English is perfect. I read what you write and build statements in response based on that. You then accuse me of reading into it wildly when, in case you hadn't noticed, everyone else is kind of drawing the same conclusions from your posts.

No, you build statements on what YOU think you read.