The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

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I did it with the DBR9. I restarted a few times, then had to abort a run about 50 minutes in. I went with the medium, hard, medium strategy. Ending time was 1:00:31.082. I came out of the final stop behind Beauvois. I was 5 seconds behind and started dropping. I thought I was done for then he pits on the 29th lap. :lol:

My last lap was scruffy, but he finished under 5 seconds behind, which seems odd. It looks like he only took tires and the pit stop took 20 seconds.
 
I'll never be so lucky
I've tried every Gr3 car that exists
I get lap times of 1:57, 1:58, but just can't keep them consistent and end up getting a couple around 2 minutes
I pit when they pit try to skimp on fuel the best I've gotten is 6th place... whenever I've been in 2nd or 3rd
Freakin beauvois (or whoever is tailing me) spins me out like 50 minutes in.
I just don't know if I have what it takes. the gap between me and 1st place gets wider and wider each lap... I've never passed the first place guy before a pit... so I know there's no hope there.
 
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It was crazy
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Bet that last lap or two was intense ha ha. Congrats!

Rubilar actually finding the fight to stick around till the end! He's literally the Predator during the first 10 laps before settling for mid-grid mediocrity in the closing phases.
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Actually I haven't met him since the first lap. My opponents were mainly Yamanaka and Beuvois, who I successfully was keeping at about 4 seconds behind. Rubilar came at second position in lap 28.
 
After a lot of failed attempts, with a bunch of different cars as well as a fair bit of frustration. Finally was able to beat this last night. Looking thru this thread helped a lot, especially @WRP001's posts. 👍

Two stop strategy on mediums with just putting in enough fuel during the second stop to get me to the end. Getting past both Rubilar and Beauvois during the opening lap made all the difference. From there I was just able to bank consistent laps. My times were low/mid 1:57's on fresh tires and high 1:58's/mid 1:59's towards the end of the stint. Such a sense of relief to finally get this mission over and done with.

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1:00:23 is on the faster range of the AI spectrum… you typically need to run ~1:00:30 to have a good chance at win… if you run 1:00:41 consistently you will eventually get a lucky roll and win also… especially if you are out front the last couple laps and holding them up with defensive driving. if they are in clean air at the end and ahead of you RIP unless you run really fast laps.
 
I would like to share my observations. It cost me about 9-10 attempts with different cars.
Every car fits with appropriate strategy. For instance Genesis loses its advance if you use hard tires and this makes mixed or one stop strategy useless.
AI reacts depending on your lap times. My previous attempt was also with Genesis RM /2 stops/ and Beauvois entered pit in lap 9 /three stops overall/. I was hit by Mazda at about 50'th minute and finished 4th. In my last successful attempt I used the exactly same strategy and Beauvois entered in lap 10 - 2 stops /not 100% sure but I think because my good pace/.
Despite my result with minimal gap it wasn't prodused by defensive driving. I was successfully maintaining 4-4.5 seconds gap in the last stint.
In lap 28 Rubilar came in 2nd position and started to melt down. I was keeping the gap between 0.8 -1.2 in the last lap. The pressure came in the last corner. Other inetersting is the fastest lap time 1.55.891 by Galo.

You could win even if you aren't first in the opening stint. I was second behind Beauvois but was keeping stable 4,5-5 seconds margin. The chances could come after the first pit when the opponents hit the traffic.
The main thing - the good pace and perfect driving line are everything.
 
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I would like to share my observations. It cost me about 9-10 attempts with different cars.
Every car fits with appropriate strategy. For instance Genesis loses its advance if you use hard tires and this makes mixed or one stop strategy useless.
AI reacts depending on your lap times. My previous attempt was also with Genesis RM /2 stops/ and Beauvois entered in pit in lap 9 /three stops overall/. I was hit by Mazda at about 50'th minute and finished 4th. In my last successful attempt I used the exactly same strategy and Beauvois entered in lap 10 - 2 stops /not 100% sure but I think because my good pace/.
Despite my result with minimal gap it wasn't prodused by defensive driving. I was successfully maintaining 4-4.5 seconds gap in the last stint.
In lap 28 Rubilar came in 2nd position and started to melt down. I was keeping the gap between 0.8 -1.2 in the last lap. The pressure came in the last corner. Other inetersting is the fastest lap time 1.55.891 by Galo.

You could win even if you aren't first in opening stint. I was second behind Beauvois but was keeping stable 4,5-5 seconds margin. The chances could come after the first pit when the opponents hit the traffic.
The main thing - the good pace and perfect driving line are everything.
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Yes, in my winning run and close attempts Gallo comes from nowhere to become a major threat.

He was my main rival, pressuring me for last 2-3 laps with a gap of 0.5-0.8 seconds.
 
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Ended up getting it with the Mazda. All I can say is if you can finish under 1:00:45, don't get discouraged by big leads and push through it. Most of the time the leader will just take off and win in absurd times, but in my winning run I caught Rubilar by sheer dumb luck from 5 secs back when he got caught behind a backmarker, then Kokubun somehow dropped another 5 second lead to me in the final 2 laps despite gaining 3 seconds the lap before. The AI makes no sense, just keep pushing. My winning attempt was my 2nd worst time.

And ignore the git gud bros on this thread. It's insane that two months ago you could win this race with a 1:00:55 but now you have to push an impossible 1:00:23 to win sometimes. Balance updates should not be affecting the AI of missions like this.
 
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I beat this yesterday after 6 or so attempts and this thread was a lot of help as well. I thought I would pay it forward by sharing my learnings. I tried (and failed) in the Renault (fun), DBR9 (felt too heavy with BOP and I couldn't master it with TCS off), BRZ (had my best time with this one, so much fun, but never got better than 2nd), and ultimately won it with the Genesis on a 2-stop. The thing I liked about the Genesis was that it was fast enough on fresh tires to get out in front in the first few laps, which changed the driving style of the rivals...most notably Beauvois who did his 9/19/29 3-stopper. If he does that, it's MASSIVELY helpful as he wins most of the time otherwise. I'm not sure what triggers him to do that (weird AI script?), but I think it may be that he feels he has to push more if he's behind and that makes him need tires quicker. Some other stray observations that helped me:
  • TCS off if you can. Smooth on the throttle and the steering
  • Open up the steering as much as possible on the wider turns of this track to maximize exit speed
  • Try to send it in the esses, as observed here that's the best opportunity to make up time because the AI doesn't use the best line
  • Don't get cute with backmarkers - I spun out way too many times trying to pass them without losing pace. It's okay to lose a second while finding the cleanest opportunity to overtake them because they have zero qualms about putting you down
  • Rubilar is always berserk...if he is on your tail, he will try to pass you by braking late on turn 1 and dive into the grass every time. Just play it cool and edge him back on turn 2 and you'll stay ahead of him. In general if you have an opportunity to put Beauvois or Rubilar off track without getting too reckless, DO IT.
  • Finally, be sure to celebrate when you finally beat it. I decided it was worth a commemorative livery.
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… The thing I liked about the Genesis was that it was fast enough on fresh tires to get out in front in the first few laps, which changed the driving style of the rivals...most notably Beauvois who did his 9/19/29 3-stopper. If he does that, it's MASSIVELY helpful as he wins most of the time otherwise. I'm not sure what triggers him to do that (weird AI script?), but I think it may be that he feels he has to push more if he's behind and that makes him need tires quicker.
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Could literally be random number generator… I ran a different race and quickly into race one of the leaders crashes out by himself and 8 AI behind him stuck in line under yellow. I restart from quick start menu and it happens over and over no matter how I drive or how I take first few corners… exit race proper and restart race and no crash/yellow. When you start a new race the AI get their random orders and that doesn’t get reset on a quick restart.

Obviously things change as the human racer interacts with them, but there is definitely randomness in the initial conditions / AI driving script also.
 
WRP001
Could literally be random number generator… I ran a different race and quickly into race one of the leaders crashes out by himself and 8 AI behind him stuck in line under yellow. I restart from quick start menu and it happens over and over no matter how I drive or how I take first few corners… exit race proper and restart race and no crash/yellow. When you start a new race the AI get their random orders and that doesn’t get reset on a quick restart.

Obviously things change as the human racer interacts with them, but there is definitely randomness in the initial conditions / AI driving script also.
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Yeah, I think this is a pretty good take on it. I wonder if the AI “orders” are why they ignore blue flags and your general presence most of the time, compared to other events. I also wonder if this “scriptedness” is necessary for them to have the pace they have to make this race a sufficient challenge. The AI are more accommodating in other events but the other events are mostly pretty easy as a result. Where Sophie at? Lol

All that said, I agree that if you can get into the +30 seconds territory, you’ll get a lucky roll at some point and win. I will also say that going through the process of getting there has made me a much better driver than I was a week ago! It’s been fun pushing myself with this, even if some hours didn’t result in any credits.
 
The yellow flag scenario actually happened on the new Suzuka 12 lap Gr.1 event… so I think every event generates randomized orders for each AI around some pre determined general strategy/pace for that particular AI. But the AI are faster and more aggressive in this Maggiore mission for sure. This is all guesswork based on my observations and could be completely wrong. Lol.

And congratz on the win. This event improved my driving too.
 
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How do you not lose time on the last couple turns? That is my main weakness...
I gain on the s turns mid lap usually take the hard sloped turn pretty dang well but after that comes the nonsensical last few turns where I always lose what I gained that lap and then some. Even if I take those turns well and pass those ahead of me the leader time gap ALWAYS increases ... I feel like this is the final Key I am missing
Any tips on cornering those last turns?
 
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How do you not lose time on the last couple turns? That is my main weakness...
I gain on the s turns mid lap usually take the hard sloped turn pretty dang well but after that comes the nonsensical last few turns where I always lose what I gained that lap and then some. Even if I take those turns well and pass those ahead of me the leader time gap ALWAYS increases ... I feel like this is the final Key I am missing
Any tips on cornering those last turns?
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Take your car and set weight and power (with limiter) to match BOP settings (it's still not exact but close enough) and practice in TT mode with your own ghost until you can get a good run through that section and good exit through last corner. Last corner it's important to get on gas early (obviously) and probably use a bigger gear than you think. Most likely you are better off to brake a bit earlier, turn in earlier and carry a bit more speed while getting on throttle earlier. Each car is a little different though in terms of what gear is best and exact brake points.

The set of turns before the last turn (14-16) is the trickiest on track IMO. Very flowy so experiment and see how you do versus your ghost with different approaches, entry speeds, angles.

This is a good lap walk through even though the lap isn't that fast. He only ran a 1'59 while doing walk through but he did 1'55 laps during the race so his technique is solid (and the car he is using is not the easiest to drive either):



NOTE: he's running a one stop strategy on hard in this video, but has another video with two stops on medium tires [in a better car too].
 
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WRP001
Take your car and set weight and power (with limiter) to match BOP settings (it's still not exact but close enough) and practice in TT mode with your own ghost until you can get a good run through that section and good exit through last corner. Last corner it's important to get on gas early (obviously) and probably use a bigger gear than you think. Most likely you are better off to brake a bit earlier, turn in earlier and carry a bit more speed while getting on throttle earlier. Each car is a little different though in terms of what gear is best and exact brake points.

The set of turns before the last turn (14-16) is the trickiest on track IMO. Very flowy so experiment and see how you do versus your ghost with different approaches, entry speeds, angles.

This is a good lap walk through even though the lap isn't that fast. He only ran a 1'59 while doing walk through but he did 1'55 laps during the race so his technique is solid (and the car he is using is not the easiest to drive either):



thanks I'll give this a shot
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I just completed (June 13) gold with a GT500 and I am a b(+?) driver. 2 pits at 10 and 20 RMs both times. I ran FM 1 until lap 8 then down to FM2 to help with control when tires getting worn(times less than 1 sec difference). The FM 2 worked so well I did it on lap 17(1 lap earlier than first 10) and ran FM 2 the entire 21-30 laps. On first pit i refuels to 85% and the second pit to 75%. I did get a little scared about my fuel level and since I had a ten second lead I ran lap 28 on FM 3. I finished the race in 1hr 33 secs with 0.6 laps worth of fuel left. Here is a recording of my run if you want to see exactly what I did. There is a 2-3 minute pause in the game when I had to piss. The vid starts at lap 5
 
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I finally did it! Used the RCZ, 2 stops on RM. Stop on 10, refuel for 10 laps, stop on 20, refuel for 10 laps (should be in the ballpark of 75% I believe). You will have to shift just before the bar starts flashing on FM1, you save 1 lap of fuel this way the entire race. I finished with 0.8 remaining. Looking at the 10 lap stints, I lapped like this:
1st lap mid 1:56 (except very first lap, mid 2:04).
2nd lap high 1:56.
3-4-5: 1:57s
6-7-8: 1:58s
9-10: 1:59s

General tips and tricks:

- Learn to drive without assists, get better at the track, get better with MR cars. You will have to be an upper split B driver to get this by sweating a bit. Any A driver will not have too much trouble.
  • The RCZ is easy to drive once you understand the quirks of an MR car. You will have to stabilize the car with the throttle, adding a bit of throttle input after braking, try not to coast except in Turn 1 and Turn 2.
  • In Turn 1 brake between the last 2 markers to avoid getting rammed by the AI. Hard on the brakes and trail braking is crucial to take this corner fast.
  • In Turn 2 cut on the yellow stripe and power out after the apex or you will understeer in the grass.
  • Turn 3 is a tiny lift most of the time, even with busted tires, take a late apex and get on the left side for Turn 4.
  • Turn 4 is an early apex because it opens up on exit, get as close as possible to the orange sausage and power out as straight and fast as possible. Don't be scared by the blind exit. Use the tarmac beyond the kerbs to really take off.
  • For Turn 5, in order to not slide, release the throttle and when the weight shifts step hard on the brakes. If you don't do it this way the car will slide towards the apex burning through the tires. You will lose a tenth this way but it's fine.
  • The RCZ understeers like a pig on power but can handle full throttle without spinning out in second gear even with busted tires. This will tempt you into powering too early. Avoid this at all costs. Take wide entries, turn in later than you would think, take late apexes in almost every corner in order to power out as straight as possible to fight the understeer. It is paramount to use the MR way of handling corners to be fast, let the car flow naturally into the corner after releasing the brakes, then apply a bit of throttle to straighten it. You turn more with the pedals than with the wheel in this car.
  • When your tires are busted the last sector actually becomes easier. Take a late apex in the first right hander, don't cut too much or you car will destabilize, half throttle and let the car roll on the left, then just release the throttle and turn right half lock, the car will naturally go towards the second right hander. 25% throttle to straighten it, full power a bit later than you would think, and you're fine.
  • Last turn DO NOT take a wide entry, use the camber to your advantage, brake in the middle of the track and get on the inside kerbs, you really have to mount them.
Guide:
  • Lap 1 you will have to bully your way past the R8 before or at Turn 5. I passed 3 cars in turn 2, then the Ford GT in turn 3 and the R8 in turn 4 without obstructing it too much (paramount importance). It is then absolutely crucial to pass Rubilar in the M6 either at Turn 5, pushing him into the grass, or in the S section pushing him in the wall if you can. This will not make him lose too much time (1 second at best) but he will be overtaken by the R8 and lose a lot of time throughout the entire first stint behind it. You will never see him again if you do this (he is your main rival). I then passed the Lambo after banky boy and the Mazda VGT in the first right hander of the last sector.
  • Lap 2 you will have to catch at least the Porsche (it will get overtaken by Beauvois before you reach them). I passed it in the last sector once again.
  • You will then hunt the pair at the front. Beauvois is your main rival now, you must catch him on Lap 5 at the latest. Once again, try to push him. I pushed both the Supra and Beauvois in banky boy on Lap 4 in the gravel, gained 1 second on them this way.
  • Beginning of Lap 6 Beauvois will magically spawn behind you trying to ram you out of Turn 1. Keep your cool, stay on the inside, brake as I told you and push him on the grass before Turn 2.
  • Beauvois will be in the ballpark of 2 seconds behind you, you MUST lap 1:57-1:58 consistent to keep him behind, but it is manageable. I did a couple of high 1:57, one mid 1:58 and one 2:00 because of a dumb penalty. Was still in front.
  • Lap 10 pit, 75% fuel, new RM. Beauvois will be right behind you but will fuel much more than you. You will come in front of him with 10 seconds gap give or take.
  • Came out in 10th place, 25 seconds behind the lead if I remember correctly. Don't panic. Most of the guys in front will pit on Lap 11 as they are on mediums. You will have to get past the R8 and the Lexus on Lap 14.
  • You are on P4 now. On Lap 15 the 2 Japanese guys will stop to get rid of their hard tires, you will gain P2 this way. The Porsche of Inostroza was now the leader for me, I was 10 seconds behind I think? You will now have clear track to put some 1:57-1:58 on the timesheet.
  • On Lap 16 the Porsche will pit and you will regain the lead. Once again clear track, drive smoothly and consistently, put some 1:58 at the very least on the table, no dumb penalties. If you pushed Rubilar and Beauvois as I told you, they are now stuck in the middle of the pack. They will lose a lot of time. Be patient and consistent, no dumb ideas or manouvres.
  • On Lap 18 Beauvois and Rubilar finally managed to get back on P2 and P3 respectively. It will be too late for them. If you did everything right they should be 20 seconds behind.
  • On Lap 20 pit for fresh RM and 75% fuel. You will come out in P8.
  • On Lap 22 Yamanaka pits for Mediums, P7. You will have to dispose of Lopez and Miyazono on Lap 22. I did it after banky boy in the last sector, they are pretty slow, don't lose time behind them. 3 guys in front of you will pit for Mediums, you will be P2 at the beginning of Lap 23.
  • From Lap 23 onwards you will hunt the no stopper in the Mazda VGT. By Lap 25 he will be a moving obstacle, he will be saving fuel. Try to get him at banky boy or in the last sector. I got him on Lap 25 last sector.
  • Cruise to the finish, Beauvois will eventually climb back to P2, but he will be, once again, around 20 seconds behind you. Take your time, you can lap a couple of seconds slower, just bring it home now! Dispose of backmarkers at banky boy or in the last sector.
  • Profit!
 

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I did it with atenza gr.3 with medium tyres 2 stops. 1st stop at the end of lap 10 full refuel 2nd stop end of lap 20 refuel with 11.5 laps and i finished with 5 seconds to rubilar. My fastest lap was 1.56.235 on my 2nd lap and my average lap is 1.58.
No mistakes allowed on this race. You must be patient or your race is gone.
 
I finally completed this as well a couple weeks ago... used the v12 Vantage 2 stops got 11 laps of fuel first pit then 10 laps of fuel the 2nd pit.
It was pretty close beat it by about 6 seconds in front of 2nd place.
I still think they should fix this though it is pretty dang rough
 
Won this again today with my second account. BRZ with medium tires, undercut by pitting lap 9 and then doing 11 laps before pitting again on lap 20.

Pitting on 9 puts you dead last but in clean air, whilst the others get stuck in traffic when pitting on 10. Won it by 26 seconds and managed a 1:55:4 fastest lap on lap 26 🙂

Map 1 all race and fuel to 95% on stop 1 and 85% on stop 2
 
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At the risk of sounding conceited, I found this challenge easy and beat it on the first attempt (after testing 3 or 4 cars for 1-2 laps each). Actually my biggest challenge was NOT falling asleep (it was late) and in two instances I lost concentration and ran off the track and lost a few seconds. Granted, I like Lago Maggiore, I'm usually fast here, and I practiced a LOT on the Lewis Hamilton Challenge in GTS, until I could easily run a Diamond lap. I know it sounds like I'm just showing off, BUT my point is (like others have mentioned here) pushing yourself on this track will improve your overall driving skills in Gr3... And my tips, for those struggling :

I used a 1 stop strategy with the WRX on RH tyres and short shifted to save fuel (50% bar, approx 7,500 rpm; or less)... Because let's face it, the WRX prefers to short shift anyway. No other Fuel Management was required... FM1 for 15 laps... (actually 16 laps I think).

Because you're keeping the revs low, the car is quite stable and the driving is relaxed (like a walk in the park... lol). However even with low revs, on the Hard tyres the WRX will overseer if you stomp on the accelerator, so I got lazy and turned on the countersteering assistance, rather than focusing on good technique... Your choice... Both ways work well.

Consistent laps around 1:57-1:59 depending on the AI interference / my loss of concentration. Worked my way up to around P4 before they start pitting on lap 10, which then put me easily in the lead and with a clear track until I pitted after finishing lap 16. B.Buthead slowly gained on me because he's on a two stop strategy, but he never caught me up (after his 2nd pit) and I still won by more than 10 seconds without needing to push hard, and including a few mistakes as mentioned already.

I'm going to run it again tonight and try to push a little harder, just to come up the Friends leaderboard... & might also buy the RX Vision to post a comparison, if anyone is interested.

Someone requested tips for the final few corners... Happy to help if still needed
 
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Update: The RX Vision uses less fuel and less tyres than the WRX, but it's a handful to keep it on the track.... Again I was lazy and used ASM as well as countersteering assistance (I'm using G29 so lift off oversteer is nasty). Still I needed to be careful with accelerator application in several corners. (ruined one attempt by spinning out, even with the assists)

And... who knew that a rotary likes to short shift?!?! Commically "short shift" in the RX Vision means between 8,500 - 9,000 rpm = when the rev bar is between half and full. But it does give you lots of flexibility in relation to fuel usage. For two laps I deliberately stayed behind the leader to save fuel, for "extra" strategy. That sacrificed approximately 2 seconds per lap, but gained 2 full laps of fuel. Since refueling in this race takes approximately 3 seconds per lap, I reckon it's reasonable... Maybe.... Anyway with this strategy I was able to pit after completing 17 laps, saving several seconds by filling only for the remaining 14 laps.

Averaged 1:56-1:57 with fastest lap 1:55.4xx and total 31 laps

In comparing the RX Vision to the WRX, the RX Vision is like a Teradactyl on Crack whereas the WRX is like Garfield on Valium. Both can easily win with the RH 1 stop, short shift strategy. If you want a lazy win, go the WRX. If you want to beat your friends with 31 laps, go the RX Vision (and don't be ashamed to use the assists)
 
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Just tried this for the first time, really enjoyed it, BRZ on lap 9 and 20, racing mediums, won by 10 seconds, probably the most fun dry race I have had. Had to pass for the win after the last stop but that was probably because I played it safe with fuel.
 

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