The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

[nordschleife51]

So, question for those who have done this race (I have not yet).

What is your opinion of the AI now? Is it still terrible?

LOL, this morning I ran this race again to try the Hyundai Genesis Gr 3. Interesting race, to say the least. Wilk, in the Ford GT, spun repeatedly and caused 6 yellow flags that I saw. Probably even more that I didn’t witness. Once he spun into the gravel at turn 11, causing a yellow just as I was passing a car on the downhill run to T11 - bang, 3 second penalty, thank you very much.

On lap 27, while I had a comfortable 7 second lead on Rubilar, Wilk spun at T11 again, there were no other cars nearby, but when I passed Wilk I received ANOTHER 3 second penalty! Each of those penalties translate into about a 6 second loss, so after serving the second one Rubilar was right on my bumper. Held him off for the win.

 

[LSFDRX]

This is actually outdated advice. No way to get past Yamanaka in this car before Lap 3 anymore. Keep trying.

It's super funny that you tell him to "try again" when the only person that needs to keep trying is you. LOL

The race is clearly winnable, as many of us have.

 

[Neris__]

I did it! DB9 1st try. Constant 1:57 on mediums. I entered pit at the end of lap 10 and then on 2nd pit (end of lap 20) I missclicked xD and I picked hard tires instead mediums. Constant 1:58 on hard. Rubilar 15 seconds away. I forgot my time tho but I was really scared that I messed up hard with 2nd pit but even with this mistake it was doable

 

[Acousticaliti]

I finally won Maggiore with the BMW Z4, in my second full race attempt (previous best 4th in DBR9). If I can win this, anyone can.
Two stops, medium tires, pretty standard. I ran average 1:58s, with a few 1:57s, and a few 1:59s.

A lot of guides say "if you aren't in front by lap 4, restart," or "if you aren't leading by the first pit stop, you've lost." Not so! (or maybe I was just lucky)

I made a decent start and got near the front, but couldn't get past Yamanaka, and he pulled out an 8 second lead by lap 10 when we pitted. I filled up to 10 laps of fuel. Exiting the pit amongst the cars on the 1-stop strategy was a big help, because the fast guys got stuck in traffic, and I didn't have as much trouble. You've gotta send it to get around slower cars without letting them slow you down, especially in the high-speed middle sector. I didn't do a ton of curb-cutting in my race, but it's helpful to have a sense of where you can place the car [and not get penalized] when you catch a much slower car on RH tires at an inopportune time, such as in the middle of a sweeper. I was able to catch the leaders because they didn't have clear track in front of them, and took a lot longer to make their passes.

I made my second stop on Lap 20 from the lead, but Rubilar got ahead of me in the pits. Again, he wasn't as fast as he could be because he took longer to pass the cars that were on the 1-stop strategy. We both worked our way to the front, and by lap 23 or so, I was 6th, and Rubilar was 4th. I caught up while he battled with the top 3, and I got past all of them before the hairpin around Lap 27. I held Rubilar off for 3 and a half laps, during which he was anywhere between 0.5 and 2.5 seconds behind me. I lapped a Corvette on lap 28 or 29 in the crucial middle sector, which bought me some time and took some pressure off.

I won ahead of Rubilar in 30 laps, by 0.891 seconds.

Since this race is so much about consisitancy and being precisely on the racing line in high speed corners, I switched to Automatic transmission, so there was one less thing I could flub, and I could really focus on the line. Generally, I was slow in the first sector, but I was quick in the middle part with the sweepers and the big straightaway, so I could pretty much always pull out 0.5 seconds on anyone through that section, which gave me confidence for both attacking and defending, and a bit of padding for the rest of the lap.

I'm not sure if the Z4 was the magic bullet, or if I had just accrued enough mileage through attempts that my lap times improved enough for me to win. Before the Z4, I tried:

Porsche 911 RSR (a bit unstable under braking)
Peugeot (slow on straights)
Genesis Coupe (quick but I didn't like the tire wear)
Mazda RX-Vision GT3 (twitchy on worn tires)
Aston DBR9 (very stable but felt a bit heavy)

I didn't expect to win on my first attempt in the Z4! I had even bought a WRX Gr3 at the same time I bought the Z4, just for this race. The Z4 was quick and predictable, and didn't lose too much speed on worn tires. If I hadn't won on this attempt, I was planning to try a 1-stop strategy on RH tires. Hope this helps someone to not get too discouraged if you can't pass everyone in the first stint.

Tried this. Car consumes a lot of fuel. Was in 1st until 2nd pit stop, ended up coming out behind Beauvois, Rubilar, Yamanaka, Insotroza, and Kokobun. Kokobun won. Rubilar 2nd. I only could get back to 3rd.

 

[bduddy]

Finally did it. RCZ, one stop, hard/hard, just a tiny bit of short-shifting. Hizal came up from the field and harassed me for several laps in the first stint which cost me time. In the last stint Beauvois was coming like a freight train, the lapped traffic saved me a bit (although it did force me into a half-second penalty too). Race time was 1h 29sec for 30 laps and I won by less than 2 seconds!

 

[breeminator]

the chart below clearly shows Hyundai Genesis Gr.3 is currently the best

I just gave it a try. My total race time in the Hyundai was 10 secs slower than I did in the Vantage (1:00:30 vs 1:00:20). I still won, because Rubilar and Beauvois were slower.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I just gave it a try. My total race time in the Hyundai was 10 secs slower than I did in the Vantage (1:00:30 vs 1:00:20). I still won, because Rubilar and Beauvois were slower.

This could be next-level strategy: play rope-a-dope until the AI slows down, and then catch them sleeping!

 

[priesty_lfc]

Thank you whoever recommended the DBR9 GT1 Aston.

RMs 2 pit strategy.

 

[breeminator]

I realised I used the Aston Martin Vantage rather than the DBR9, not realising there were 2 options from AM. Doh!!!!!!!

So the Vantage is actually really good for this race, as it was 10 secs faster for me than the Hyundai, which many seem to find very good. I'll try the DBR9 to see if it's faster for me than the Vantage, but after an hour of Spa to get the credits for it, my mind has been numbed too much to do the Maggiore race again today.

Edit: Okay, my brain felt recovered from the mind-numbing effects of earning credits at Spa, so I tried the DBR9. Very very similar to the Vantage. The 3 cars I've won it with now are:
AM Vantage 1:00:20
AM DBR9 1:00:22
Hyundai Genesis 1:00:30

Those were all 2 stop RM, using a controller with stick steering, manual gears, TC 0.

 

[WRP001]

Hoping there are at least one event like this Maggiore Mission in the coming update. It’s got to be BoP and long enough that various strategies can converge. AI need to be fast and somewhat aggressive with good strategies. No weather please (for this event make it just about hitting marks and precision) just like Maggiore at a different track.

Actually, I’d take one of the same exact thing each month at a new track each time. Even better if it had a scheme to earn credits more than once… once per each unique car driven or something.

I am not expecting this and have little hope but one can dream. Lol.

 

[Comat0sed]

Hoping there are at least one event like this Maggiore Mission in the coming update. It’s got to be BoP and long enough that various strategies can converge. AI need to be fast and somewhat aggressive with good strategies. No weather please (for this event make it just about hitting marks and precision) just like Maggiore at a different track.

Actually, I’d take one of the same exact thing each month at a new track each time. Even better if it had a scheme to earn credits more than once… once per each unique car driven or something.

I am not expecting this and have little hope but one can dream. Lol.

I'm hoping we get something similar, just not ad a mission. I want to be able to replay it and get the credits for it.

 

[vcx]

At last i won this nightmare race with hyundai genesis gr3. I prefer 2 pit stop. At 10 and 20. TCS off, no fuel economy. İn first pit stop i fulled fuel max. Second pit stop only put 11 lap fuel. Used RM all the race.

 

[Comat0sed]

At last i won this nightmare race with hyundai genesis gr3. I prefer 2 pit stop. At 10 and 20. TCS off, no fuel economy. İn first pit stop i fulled fuel max. Second pit stop only put 11 lap fuel. Used RM all the race.

Nice one! Pretty much the exact same way I did it. Gotta say as well, that was a damn close finish, my rear would have been twitching like crazy 😂😂

 

[pbchillin]

I did it with the Genesis too.

RM and fuel mix 1 all race, stopped on lap 10 and 20. I wasn't fast, and wasn't slow either (1.58's most of the race), however the key was the AI cars after the first stop. Everyone gets dropped back into the group of 1 stopping cars, and the AI is AWFUL at navigating them, that's where you will win or lose the race I feel. I was pulling out loads of time in this moment as I cleared them easily but the AI was having a bad time overtaking, and this what gave me enough of a gap to be able to not push too hard for the final stint and keep it clean.

Also Hizal in the Subaru came out of nowhere with some wild pace in the final stint to finish 2nd. Didn't see him all race until he was suddenly there pumping in fastest laps at the end.

 

[Alex p.]

My Maggiore run for anyone who's interested:

 

[vcx]

My Maggiore winning video. I hope it will help who needs.

 

[copenhagen83]

Thank you whoever recommended the DBR9 GT1 Aston.

RMs 2 pit strategy.

I lost by 15 seconds with a 1:00:45s time with this car and strategy. AI seems to put up random times.

 

[copenhagen83]

I disagree. I used this car yesterday and got to 1st place at the end of lap 2/beginning of lap 3.

I didn't use the same strategy but I did use the Genesis on RM.

My victory time is also one of the slowest in the thread (1:00:55:XXX)

I am going to try this car. I have had times between 1:00:30 and 1:00:48, with 6 different cars and can't get the win. Maybe the AI runs different times based on the car you pick?

 

[Eggstor]

I finally won this with the BRZ GT300, RMs, and a 1-stop strategy because I could only get 1:58s on fresh tires (and 1:59s the final 4-5 laps of each stop). That little BRZ may not have the straight-line speed, but it will go 15 laps on RMs and FM1. Also, I left the game on normal difficulty.

 

[Fuzzi0n]

I am going to try this car. I have had times between 1:00:30 and 1:00:48, with 6 different cars and can't get the win. Maybe the AI runs different times based on the car you pick?

They're just random on pace each time and sometimes they'll get stuck behind a backmarker when trying to lap them. Under 1:00:30 should be quick enough most of the time, I won by 14 seconds with 1:00:22 total time.

 

[copenhagen83]

To anyone struggling with this one, try the hyundai genesis...for me, by far the easiest car to do this. Consistent lap time 1:56.5-1:58.5 with slower being laps with worse tires. 2 stop, RM with full tank on first stop and just enough of a fill on second stop. Fuel Map 1 entire race. Finished with first sub 1:00:30 with a 1:00:26..enough for a 6 second win. TCS 1 ... I use a FPS strike pack for the long races so I don't ruin another R2 button... TCS 0 is impossible without being able to feather the throttle.

 

[Sunzi]

So, question for those who have done this race (I have not yet).

What is your opinion of the AI now? Is it still terrible?

It's supposed to be BOP but I honestly think the AI is amped/cheating - I base that opinion off the straights.

When you are on the straights in clean air, the AI will start to close the gap. If you are chasing the AI and are on the straights, the AI will increase the gap.

I feel there are very few areas to close the gap. Mainly sector 2 twisty section before the downhill straight or the sector 3 sweeping bend where you can push the track limits and connect the apexes.

It's not possible on the straights unless it's the early laps in my experience or you're in the Slipstream, even then you have to be quite close.

The AI is programmed to kill. Rubilar is literally the menace until pitstop 2. He is shunting and bumping, off the track at, at least, 2 maybe 3 corners but always recovers well enough to be applying pressure no matter how well you think you're lapping. I've managed to hit 1:56s before but never felt at ease.

 

[slotcarrod]

All I can say is F PD, THEY ARE POOP! This race is for ALIEN drivers! How is some one of my poor driving ability ever supposed to finish this mission? EASY settings mean nothing! F PD! I used to love the GT series, but now they can F OFF!

 

[ROCKET JOE]

All I can say is F PD, THEY ARE POOP! This race is for ALIEN drivers! How is some one of my poor driving ability ever supposed to finish this mission? EASY settings mean nothing! F PD! I used to love the GT series, but now they can F OFF!

Some one of your poor driving ability ( pls note I'm citing you ) IS ! nevertheless supposed to finish this mission. Not on the podium for sure but as a backmarker. That's where slower drivers finish usually. 😉
Do you think P1 should be handed to ya on a silver platter ?

 

[Doncarlone]

All I can say is F PD, THEY ARE POOP! This race is for ALIEN drivers! How is some one of my poor driving ability ever supposed to finish this mission? EASY settings mean nothing! F PD! I used to love the GT series, but now they can F OFF!

You have to be persistent and pick a car that fits your driving style

 

[slotcarrod]

Some one of your poor driving ability ( pls note I'm citing you ) IS ! nevertheless supposed to finish this mission. Not on the podium for sure but as a backmarker. That's where slower drivers finish usually. 😉
Do you think P1 should be handed to ya on a silver platter ?

NO! You missed the point! Why have easy to hard settings? Not everyone is healthy or talented enough to win on hard! Why give a race difficulty option for easy, normal and hard? The Human Comedy??? PD are the ones laughing at the morons that purchased this game!

 

[RoadRacer2556]

NO! You missed the point! Why have easy to hard settings? Not everyone is healthy or talented enough to win on hard! Why give a race difficulty option for easy, normal and hard? The Human Comedy??? PD are the ones laughing at the morons that purchased this game!

So everything should be really easy in a game so that everyone can win... That makes perfect sense, ROFL.

 

[Techlet]

So everything should be really easy in a game so that everyone can win... That makes perfect sense, ROFL.

The game already caters for this with the Easy/Normal/Hard settings. PD just needs to apply it to every aspect of the singleplayer experience.

Accessibility is not "ROFL".

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

Yesterday I finished my 1st go around. I ended up 10th with the Corvette, 35 seconds behind. I had TCS on 1, and did 2 stops with the medium tires.

Today I decided to try TCS on 0. My laptimes were faster. It's probably a combination of the practice from yesterday and TCS being off. I ended up 5th (9 seconds behind), but probably could have made 4th if I didn't do 10 laps worth of fuel on the last stop. My strategy was mediums for 9 laps with a full fuel fill, hards until lap 22, and then mediums again.

I thought the lap times were okay. I was doing mainly 1:57/8s on the mediums and 1:58/9s on the hards. I even had a high 1:57 on the hards and a 1:56 on the outlap on the mediums. I never past the first place car before the first stop. And then Rubilar was on my ass after and I couldn't keep him behind or catch up after.

The good thing was I got the bronze and silver prizes for each effort. But I think I'll need some luck to get 1st. I have a tire problem with the mediums at the end of each stint dropping time drastically, so I don't know if I can make it with medium tires on all stops. I may need to try a different car.

 

[WRP001]

Yesterday I finished my 1st go around. I ended up 10th with the Corvette, 35 seconds behind. I had TCS on 1, and did 2 stops with the medium tires.

Today I decided to try TCS on 0. My laptimes were faster. It's probably a combination of the practice from yesterday and TCS being off. I ended up 5th (9 seconds behind), but probably could have made 4th if I didn't do 10 laps worth of fuel on the last stop. My strategy was mediums for 9 laps with a full fuel fill, hards until lap 22, and then mediums again.

I thought the lap times were okay. I was doing mainly 1:57/8s on the mediums and 1:58/9s on the hards. I even had a high 1:57 on the hards and a 1:56 on the outlap on the mediums. I never past the first place car before the first stop. And then Rubilar was on my ass after and I couldn't keep him behind or catch up after.

The good thing was I got the bronze and silver prizes for each effort. But I think I'll need some luck to get 1st. I have a tire problem with the mediums at the end of each stint dropping time drastically, so I don't know if I can make it with medium tires on all stops. I may need to try a different car.

I would recommend trying the Subaru BRZ GT300 '21. It's not that fast in the straights, but amazing in the corners and good on fuel and tires. Be aggressive with it, you have to make up time in turns and get good exits to offset the lack of straight line speed. If you prefer to give up a little cornering for top end speed then go with the Aston Martin.

Aston Martin DBR9 GT1 '10 .... 0:59:58.858 (after 30 of 31 laps)
Subaru BRZ GT300 '21 ......... 1:00:04.230
Mazda RX-Vision GT3 Concept .. 1:00:10:274
Corvette C7 Gr.3 ............. 1:00:13.960
Mercedes-AMG GT3 '16 ......... 1:00:39.116*