The Human Comedy 8 - Gr.3 Lake Maggiore

[Tommi_Vercetti]

Finally win the challenge with DBR9 and tries multiple times.

Here's my setting: Normal AI, ASM on + ABS Weak, TC & Countersteering Asst Off, DS4 with PS4

First, I have tried on RCZ, but it's not powerful enough to catch up. Then I tried Z4 but not fast enough to get top 10.

After checking this thread, I changed to AMG GT3, it's good yet unable to catch up Beauvois at around first 5 laps and I got 9th, so I tried BMW M6 GT3 & Subaru BRZ GT300. M6 GT3 is not good at corners but high speed at straight while BRZ could turn very stable, so I could use BRZ to get 3rd, yet not close enough to get gold.

Until I changed to DBR9 from the advise here, on average it's faster than BRZ on straights and quite fast on corners too, so I could make around 1:57-1:58 on average, and fast enough to pass Yamakata on Lap 5. Although there are few laps around 2:00, it's enough to win the race with 2 RMs at the end of Lap 10 and Lap 20, with filling 10.5 laps fuel to make sure enough juice to win the race.

All Human Comedy got gold now, time to grind some money first lol

 

[Agent_Tiro]

Finally won! The RCZ has 1200 miles on it from this event. Got into 3rd on the first lap, up to 2nd on the second lap. Stayed there till first round of pits. Yamanka has a 6 second lead on me so I knew if I filled up for about 13 laps I would come out right behind him whilst also not needing a long second stop.

i came out 1.5 seconds behind him and got past on the fast section leading to the banked U. From that point on I was pushing to get through traffic and open a gap. Going into second pit I had a 5 second lead. Huge sigh of relief when I saw their fuel count being only 5% higher than mine. I put 10.2 laps of fuel in and left with a 2 second lead. Straight into traffic, got through that and started to open up a bigger lead. That lead was slowly reduced as I took less risks and took it a bit easier but still keeping in the 1:58- low 1:59.

Epic event and I've had a lot of frustrations and fun doing it. Dont think I can face this circuit again for a while now.

 

[Chris30]

I did a two stop race with a BMW M6 Endurance Model. Only Mediums tyres, stopped after 20 and 40 minutes. Every stint ten laps. Won by 2 seconds. Fastest lap was 1:57. Most laps 1:58, with lapping of other cars some 1:59.

Hey, my friend used that car as well and it worked, he won by about 50 seconds. Also watching youtube tutorials on this event can be helpful as well. That's the best advice I can give to people.

 

[nummer0]

Bu you're running in the 56s on good tires, so even when the tires start to go off and you're running 57s-58s you're still well on pace for a two stop.

I tried and I couldn't do it. I can run 55s on good tires and no traffic, low 56 all day but once my tires start going - I lose too much pace. I'm much better on a wheel however I unpacked it since I moved apartments.

I tried with 2 stops 2 times, once managed 3rd and once 6th.

 

[breeminator]

Finally won!

Well done, it's a solid drive, but it shows the randomness in the AI times. You won with 1:00:41, whereas when I tried it yesterday I just could never close the gap on the fastest AI, which did 1:00:32. So basically you spend an hour for potentially zero credits, and winning and losing comes down to a lottery in terms of the time the AI does.

 

[Agent_Tiro]

Well done, it's a solid drive, but it shows the randomness in the AI times. You won with 1:00:41, whereas when I tried it yesterday I just could never close the gap on the fastest AI, which did 1:00:32. So basically you spend an hour for potentially zero credits, and winning and losing comes down to a lottery in terms of the time the AI does.

Yeah, I've had attempts where I've run faster and come third. This time I just got massively lucky with Beauvois and Rubilar not overtaking well enough to get clean air. Really do wish they paid out for each run to justify the miles I did on it. But it was a fun event - I think the 1.13 update has made this significantly harder

 

[RoadRacer2556]

I have finished 2nd twice, in the Hyundai, and 11th, in the BRZ. I think I can win it with the Hyundai if I get just a bit faster per lap average, or have one of those races where Rubilar screws up somehow.

 

[StirlingMoose]

Just earned my Aston DB5 after about half a dozen full races and a few abandoned attempts, so as is customary I will give my advice on tactics for this race -
1. Drive really fast.
2. Pray that the AI don't drive faster.

 

[whowantscake]

Just earned my Aston DB5 after about half a dozen full races and a few abandoned attempts, so as is customary I will give my advice on tactics for this race -
1. Drive really fast.
2. Pray that the AI don't drive faster.

I also had about half a dozen full races and another half dozen abandoned races (lunch time practice breaks, etc). I finally got it today in the DBR9.

Aston Martin DBR9 - 2 stop on Mediums
Averaged 1:58.867 laps (excluding 1, 10 & 20)
Fastest 1:57.682
Finished 1:00:42.467 +6.371 ahead of Gallo
Fuel map 1 entire time except last lap when I thought I was on lap 29 and dropped the map to 3 to cross line with 0.9 laps remaining fuel.



I had stuck to mostly 1 stop attempts because I couldn't put together laps much faster on Mediums. I focused on being smoother and finally clicked. I was previously fastest with the Mercedes AMG on hards, 1:58.00 quickest lap, but consistency and passing traffic always added up.

DBR9 is great on fuel, it would have done a 1 stopper on fuel map 1, too. Looking at my spreadsheet sheet, since I used the same amount of fuel with a 2 stopper as a 1, I only lost an extra 22 seconds with the extra pit stop for tires. The mediums easily make up that difference plus I never had a lap over 2:00 since passing traffic is a breeze on Mediums. I'd waste a second or two here and there on hards getting around slower cars or battling the other fast cars. I also would make a mistake time to time always pushing on Hards. I never felt like I needed to set a fastest lap on Mediums.

I'd like to repeat sometime in the Renault. I can't manage the snap throttle off oversteer when dealing with traffic, so this would be good practice.

 

[marcoa91]

I also had about half a dozen full races and another half dozen abandoned races (lunch time practice breaks, etc). I finally got it today in the DBR9.

Aston Martin DBR9 - 2 stop on Mediums
Averaged 1:58.867 laps (excluding 1, 10 & 20)
Fastest 1:57.682
Finished 1:00:42.467 +6.371 ahead of Gallo
Fuel map 1 entire time except last lap when I thought I was on lap 29 and dropped the map to 3 to cross line with 0.9 laps remaining fuel.



I had stuck to mostly 1 stop attempts because I couldn't put together laps much faster on Mediums. I focused on being smoother and finally clicked. I was previously fastest with the Mercedes AMG on hards, 1:58.00 quickest lap, but consistency and passing traffic always added up.

DBR9 is great on fuel, it would have done a 1 stopper on fuel map 1, too. Looking at my spreadsheet sheet, since I used the same amount of fuel with a 2 stopper as a 1, I only lost an extra 22 seconds with the extra pit stop for tires. The mediums easily make up that difference plus I never had a lap over 2:00 since passing traffic is a breeze on Mediums. I'd waste a second or two here and there on hards getting around slower cars or battling the other fast cars. I also would make a mistake time to time always pushing on Hards. I never felt like I needed to set a fastest lap on Mediums.

I'd like to repeat sometime in the Renault. I can't manage the snap throttle off oversteer when dealing with traffic, so this would be good practice.

Very similar experience here. Had tried with 10 different cars but did it with the DBR without crazy lap times. My best was a 1.57.500. Passed Rubilar and the Merc in the first couple of laps, had to hold them during the first stint (while never really gaining on the Supra).

Got out of the first stop a few seconds ahead of them, made my way through the traffic. Supra was right behind me on the second stop. I did took a bit longer but managed to get out of the pits just behind him and got him on turn 1. After that was smooth sailing. The Merc got held up in traffic and I ended 10+ seconds ahead.

 

[breeminator]

Finally won it using the Aston Martin, which was much faster for me than other cars I've tried for it so far. I also adjusted the game's display settings as I've been using a different monitor and it seems the black point needed adjusting a lot. It helped a lot to be able to see where the heck I was going, it has been pretty dark in places on the track for previous attempts. The fastest AI did 1:00:24, which is crazy compared to the times in other people's races above on this page, where the fastest AI did 1:00:50, 1:00:44 and 1:00:49.

 

[NoonenF1]

Hey guys thanks for all the help in this thread and I have a couple quick questions.

Quick preface: I’m struggling with any fuel mileage race in GT7.

I know what short shifting is but how is it applied in the game? Shift before the tach goes red? After that? Before? Is it better to coast? I have been using the Vette or the R8. Should I not bother with coasting and just drive normally with FM set to a specific parameter? I seem to be decent with tire management, usually use hards and not bother with time wasting changing them. Is that a mistake too?

I think I’m getting this all wrong & probably over thinking it and maybe I just should run hard and pit when necessary?

 

[WRP001]

Finally won it using the Aston Martin, which was much faster for me than other cars I've tried for it so far. I also adjusted the game's display settings as I've been using a different monitor and it seems the black point needed adjusting a lot. It helped a lot to be able to see where the heck I was going, it has been pretty dark in places on the track for previous attempts. The fastest AI did 1:00:24, which is crazy compared to the times in other people's races above on this page, where the fastest AI did 1:00:50, 1:00:44 and 1:00:49.

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In my experience the typical top AI is 1:00:30 plus or minus 5-6 seconds. I think people who win the first time tend to win when ai runs slower so that’s the posts we see… my first win was same. But most of the runs I did one of the two fast ai were close to that time.

 

[EasySauce]

Hey guys thanks for all the help in this thread and I have a couple quick questions.

Quick preface: I’m struggling with any fuel mileage race in GT7.

I know what short shifting is but how is it applied in the game? Shift before the tach goes red? After that? Before? Is it better to coast? I have been using the Vette or the R8. Should I not bother with coasting and just drive normally with FM set to a specific parameter? I seem to be decent with tire management, usually use hards and not bother with time wasting changing them. Is that a mistake too?

I think I’m getting this all wrong & probably over thinking it and maybe I just should run hard and pit when necessary?

You'll want to feel out the torque curve of the car and shift around peak torque rather than redline, which can be a pretty significant difference in cars like the Vette with a lot of low end grunt. In my experience shortshifting will give you a similar advantage to coasting without the disadvantage of being off-throttle. In a car without that torque advantage you might be better off just toying around with FM2 though. I don't know that the brief time advantage you gain from not changing tires won't be lost the further that they wear out.

 

[EasySauce]

Finally beat this one today after quite a few completions. It was my last of the Human Comedy races and I beat all of the others on either the first or second try.

Number one prerequisite I'd say is being able to consistently set the gold time on the Circuit Experience for Maggiore (not just once). Gold it, then keep doing it until you can set the gold time repeatedly.

Other than that unfortunately a lot of it does seem to come down to luck of the draw (and a willingness to bang your head against the wall), or at least that was my experience. My AI in particular consistently had an uncanny ability to clear backmarkers and undercut me in the pits (even with me filling exactly to 10.5 laps for a 2 stop). It also seemed to be the case that midmarkers were exceptional at matching my hot laptimes, even on worn tires.

The run I beat this one was a 2-stop RM in the Hyundai Gr3, average laptime was mid-high 1.56 drifting towards low 1.57 at the end of the tire life. FL was mine, a 55.8. Only turned three 1.58 laps the entire race and not a single lap slower (aside from pit stops). Even after all of that I still only beat Beauvois by 5.7 seconds.

This frustratingly also came after a 2nd place finish (by 7 seconds) in the Aston where I was actually much faster over the life of the race. So I'm not sure if the car matters as much as your own persistence beyond driving something that you're comfortably able to handle as the tire ages.

All that being said and frustrations aside, it does feel pretty good to finally clear this one so to those of you still grinding it out, don't give up.

 

[copenhagen83]

I think I own every Gr.3 car and collected all the BoP data on them. I created a list of the highest HP, Torque, weight to power ratio, and weight to torque ratio as well. It didn't account for the PP ratings though. I even collected the acceleration numbers and stability numbers, and they still don't quite account for the PP ranks. I suspect the transmissions play a large part in the calculation, so in some ways you have to pick the car whose gears line up with the track better in BoP races.

For what it's worth, the BoP numbers appear to be the same for every race so they remain consistent once you find a car that fits a track and your driving style. It's pretty impressive how similar they all are, but I think some cars really do get bricked to the point of uselessness.

let's see this spreadsheet

 

[Bullwinkle]

let's see this spreadsheet

I’ll photograph my legal pad of notes for you…

Actually, I was thinking of making a spreadsheet anyway, so this seems like a good request. Give me a couple days. I did the Gr.4 cars as well. When looking at certain stats that aren’t listed (weigh-to-power ratio and weight-to-torque ratio) you can start to detect the meta cars. But the PP totals appear to be related to the stability of the cars as well. It’s been an interesting project. I’ll see what I can come up with.

 

[pedronfdsantos]

Finally won! The RCZ has 1200 miles on it from this event. Got into 3rd on the first lap, up to 2nd on the second lap. Stayed there till first round of pits. Yamanka has a 6 second lead on me so I knew if I filled up for about 13 laps I would come out right behind him whilst also not needing a long second stop.

i came out 1.5 seconds behind him and got past on the fast section leading to the banked U. From that point on I was pushing to get through traffic and open a gap. Going into second pit I had a 5 second lead. Huge sigh of relief when I saw their fuel count being only 5% higher than mine. I put 10.2 laps of fuel in and left with a 2 second lead. Straight into traffic, got through that and started to open up a bigger lead. That lead was slowly reduced as I took less risks and took it a bit easier but still keeping in the 1:58- low 1:59.

Epic event and I've had a lot of frustrations and fun doing it. Dont think I can face this circuit again for a while now.
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Could you post your settings please?

 

[Agent_Tiro]

It's BoP so everything was stock. I just ran RM tyres.

 

[breeminator]

I think I own every Gr.3 car and collected all the BoP data on them. I created a list of the highest HP, Torque, weight to power ratio, and weight to torque ratio as well.

One reason the Aston Martin is good for this race is it uses significantly less fuel than the AMG, for example, so there's fuel consumption to take into account, too. Another thing for BoP races is how optimal the brake balance is, as we can't change it, unlike GTS. When I tried the RCZ pre-1.13 it was too easily sliding the back end out under braking for my liking. The Aston Martin was much more stable, but maybe the RCZ is too post-1.13.

 

[Snah2]

finally made it. After 10 attempts or so, picked the Genesis and got it in the first try.
2 Stopper, best lap 1:57.0
Nearly 10 laps around 1:57.5, the other laps around 1:58.
Got heavy luck with traffic, which gave me air to breathe.
Done with that now 😅

 

[RoadRacer2556]

Won it on the fourth try with the DB9. ASM off, ABS Default, TC1, CSA off. Most laps were 1:58.5 ish but ran several 1:57.xxx with my fastest being a 1:57.007. FL went to AI with 1:56.xx (Hizal maybe?). Rubilar got caught it traffic in the last segment and finished 5th or 6th. Beauvois was about 6 seconds behind me until I was very conservative on the last lap and won by about 3 seconds. I finished in 1:00:48.

2 stop race (10 and 20) on RM. Overfilled by about 3 laps on first pit stop so I could get a fast last stop. Came out right in front of Rubilar and right behind Beauvois. I had passed Rubilar in segment 1 but he re-passed and had about a 6 second lead on me until we pitted. Came out ahead of him because he filled to 100%. I am faster on fresh tires but he never seems to drop off. Traffic kept him from catching me after the first stop.

 

[Bullwinkle]

1:57.007

So you’re saying your best time in an Aston Martin was a 007?! Seems fitting…

 

[Egghaus88]

I just did this on the Corvette, 2 stop RM strategy no drama. Finished in 1:00.31, fast lap 1:56.7, mid 1:57s on fresh rubber and into the 1:58s when worn. Took full fuel load on stop 1 and 80% fuel on stop 2, won by 5 seconds. Had one bad lap where I overcooked a corner, and could have took a little less fuel on stop 2, altogether cost me around 5s. Gotta run every lap like it's qualifying.

 

[vcx]

I am reading all the comments here and as I said before the people who passed this race made 1.57 or under generally. Ok then, who passed this race with 1.58-2.00 lap times? Because it seems that if you run 1.58 or above it is impossible to win.

 

[Boxster]

I am reading all the comments here and as I said before the people who passed this race made 1.57 or under generally. Ok then, who passed this race with 1.58-2.00 lap times? Because it seems that if you run 1.58 or above it is impossible to win.

I won with mostly 1:58s, best lap1:57 flat, 1:00:39 total time.

 

[Bullwinkle]

I am reading all the comments here and as I said before the people who passed this race made 1.57 or under generally. Ok then, who passed this race with 1.58-2.00 lap times? Because it seems that if you run 1.58 or above it is impossible to win.

1:58s will get you there (that’s what I drove), but I don’t think 2:00s will. You really have to drive like your hair is on fire. But just as important is pit strategy and that you need to be ruthless on the first two laps. Treat Rubilar and Beauvois with absolute contempt before they abuse you, because they will. They’re the obvious heels for this particular race.

Rubilar ends up off the track at least once a lap and still contends all race, so he’s clearly programmed to make your race miserable, and Beauvois always ends up pushing for the lead. But they’re stupid around the other cars, so you have to be strategic when you lap cars and keep them as a buffer between you and those two guys. They both will try to pass you aggressively, especially on that long banked hairpin. I hate to say it, but I enjoy every time they do this because I take the turn a bit wide and edge them into the gravel.

And watch out for turns 1-4. Rubilar is a menace here and will probably go off track trying to pass you, but he’ll do it to other cars as well. He’ll tangle with whoever is there and as long as it’s not you (and hopefully it’s Beavois) you can slide by their squabble and gain some time on them.

*edit: 1:59s might get you there if you’re consistent and try a one stop race.

 

[tmtk]

I am reading all the comments here and as I said before the people who passed this race made 1.57 or under generally. Ok then, who passed this race with 1.58-2.00 lap times? Because it seems that if you run 1.58 or above it is impossible to win.

I was running 58s and 59s on average, some 2 minutes flat were also present, best lap was 57.4, but I only managed 2 or 3 laps in 57s. In the BRZ which fits my style of driving it was doable in about 3 tries (earlier tried a few cars and never finished higher than 15th).

 

[whowantscake]

Tried again today, 2 stop with the Merc AMG GT3, finished 1 second slower than my winning time in the DBR9 earlier this week.

Average laps in AMG were 0.20s faster than the DBR9, but I spent 8 seconds longer in the pits because I needed more fuel. I put down some great laps but wasn't as consistent as the DBR9. The DBR9 had less drop off as the tires wore.

Overall I think the AMG has more potential, I just didn't drive as well this time. My fastest lap and third fastest were laps 3 and 4 with the early heavy fuel load. I was pretty meh for the 2nd stint.

 

[ronald711]

Finally GOLD with Genesis

Stuck in 2nd - 5th place for some weeks with no luck. Finally won with "dirty race" ytd
Deal with Rubilar in Lap 1 and Beauvois in Lap 2. P1 in Lap 4.

Total race time: 1:00:38:6XX
Fastest lap time: 1:56:241 (set by Hizal with wrx)
Fastest lap myself: 1:56:4XX
Average lap time: 1:57 - 1:59
Win margin: +12.335 (2nd place - Gallo with NSX)

2 pit strategy, fueled 10.2L in both pit.