The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[R5]

I actually think that if people do not think for them selves then they are just ignorant. They just repeat what they have learned in school without questioning anything.

If there is a reason to question a fact, people will question it. What reason is there to question the Earth being round considering we've sent people into space many times and can even livestream footage from the ISS at any time?

Flat earth thingy have at least given me a new way to look at things and it is refreshing.

Doesn't mean it isn't absolutely crazy.

Like I said I am not a flat earther

You sure?

because I like the universe model we have been thought

The Universe model is the whole universe, rather than just Earth so this...

but everyone needs just stop for a moment and realise that there is to much gaps in the theory and through mathematics they tell a fairy story to satisfy themselves. I read in a science paper they are unsure that big bang actually happened, ie from nothing that is, and that we may be living in a black hole and that is why the universe is expansing. To be fair we know nothing

Is far removed from the point of the Earth being round so... yeah.

I simply saying that you should think for a moment and you say I am stupid? haha the old look down on every one that that share the same paradigm.

Has anyone actually called you stupid or are they simply pointing out flawed logic? There's a bit of a difference.

still but this seems waaay more fun, especially when you combine this with myths/religion and such.

Still doesn't make it any less crazy.

 

[Scaff]

I actually think that if people do not think for them selves then they are just ignorant. They just repeat what they have learned in school without questioning anything. Flat earth thingy have at least given me a new way to look at things and it is refreshing. Like I said I am not a flat earther (not yet )because I like the universe model we have been thought but everyone needs just stop for a moment and realise that there is to much gaps in the theory and through mathematics they tell a fairy story to satisfy themselves. I read in a science paper they are unsure that big bang actually happened, ie from nothing that is, and that we may be living in a black hole and that is why the universe is expansing. To be fair we know nothing


Of course Flat earth is a conspiracy and maybe i am in the middle of going brain washed but it is fun as you are forced to look at it from a viewpoint I have never ever imagined before.
Flat earth seems simply, you live on a disc with a sun and moon circulating above like a clockwork, there is no gravity, it is density of a object that dictate if it will fall or rise up to the sky like gases. Space does not exist like space agencies want us to believe, we seem to not have real photographies of any planets, they are all composite/cgi. we have only two real pictures of earth form space ant it is one from 197x something and one that got taken a couple of years ago. and when those flat earther do investigate them they seems to be manipulated. The horizon thing is also a thing I found interesting as you can apparently see object farther away than what should be possible on a round sphere. And the thing I my self never thought about, why do I not see any curvature even though I fly with my friend a lot. A lot of movies from way back show flat horizon even waaaay up, even higher then the redbull jump and yet the redbull jump footage show extreme curvature but not the old clips. Makes you think, even if this is just bogus I cant say I dont enjoy myself


I think I already wrote what level from high school to collage/university. First I became industrial robot/cnc machine designer and then car designer. But what have this have to do about me? I simply saying that you should think for a moment and you say I am stupid? haha the old look down on every one that that share the same paradigm. By the way I have to repeat myself, I am a globe head still but this seems waaay more fun, especially when you combine this with myths/religion and such.

Umm we have quite a few real photos of earth from space, a lot more than two....

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=photos+of+earth+from+the+iss&t=lm&iar=images&iax=1&ia=images

....the number of very simply experiments you can carry out to show the earth is a sphere (well actuall a bit egg shaped) are both massive and have existed for centuries.

Here's a few..

http://www.smarterthanthat.com/astronomy/top-10-ways-to-know-the-earth-is-not-flat/

...and just for balance here's three from the opposing view....

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=45427

...I know which ones stand up to the scientific method and which ones don't.

 

[Pillo-san]

I have never heard anything about bi hive or anyhing or that there is 7 suns or the like. I have seen the sun change size in the perspective videos where they post the sun moving straight over the camera and dispersing into the perspective horizon. I have even seen clips when sun is in front of clouds and even videos where there is a heat spot on the clouds. even seen the sun rays come out in 45 degree angle from the clouds that do not even take up a big portion of the sky.
Or that airplanes shut down their gps systems when flying in the southern hemisphere making it impossible to see if they fly in a straight path from south america to australia and when they do they instead fly straight over north america from australia?

Why do nasa live feed of the earth loose contact when there are thousands of satellites up there that should be able to transmit the signal, and you only see water when it is live? expect whey the decide to show the night feed with all the lights and all?

like I said there are a lot of stuff they show of and argument for. And I use youtube as my source and who know maybe every video is fake. but it is still something that has captured lots of peoples focus right now. And usually they are well educated.

I am talking about a picture of the entire planet Scaff.
The other are easily deflected by fe people, when it comes to space the Fe people usually say that nasa can not be trusted.

And yes, sciences that is not practical(theoretical) is made up if you ask Fe people.

And, people are attacking me like crazy just because i am trying to introduce ya/show to what fe people belive, wth

 

[Scaff]

I have never heard anything about bi hive or anyhing or that there is 7 suns or the like. I have seen the sun change size in the perspective videos where they post the sun moving straight over the camera and dispersing into the perspective horizon. I have even seen clips when sun is in front of clouds and even videos where there is a heat spot on the clouds. even seen the sun rays come out in 45 degree angle from the clouds that do not even take up a big portion of the sky.

Yep because youtube videos are a peer reviewed, credible source of information.

Or that airplanes shut down their gps systems when flying in the southern hemisphere making it impossible to see if they fly in a straight path from south america to australia and when they do they instead fly straight over north america from australia?

Citation required.

like I said there are a lot of stuff they show of and argument for. And I use youtube as my source and who know maybe every video is fake. but it is still something that has captured lots of peoples focus right now. And usually they are well educated.

Doesn't make a jot of difference how educated they may be, unless they are providing evidence that can be tested and falsified then its worthless.

I am talking about a picture of the entire planet Scaff.

No you were not, but feel free to change the goalposts. Did you even bother to follow the links?

Now why do you think it might be technically challenging to photograph the whole earth? However don't worry JAXA have taken a bucket load recently.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jaxa+moon+photos&t=lm&iax=1&ia=images

The other are easily deflected by fe people, when it comes to space the Fe people usually say that nasa can not be trusted.

So NASA shouldn't be trusted (despite the volume of data they share and allow to be peer reviewed), yet people who provide no credible evidence should be?

What about every other space agency worldwide?

And yes, sciences that is not practical(theoretical) is made up if you ask Fe people.

Then they know **** all about science and the scientific method!

 

[unit-one]

I have seen the sun change size in the perspective videos where they post the sun moving straight over the camera and dispersing into the perspective horizon. I have even seen clips when sun is in front of clouds and even videos where there is a heat spot on the clouds. even seen the sun rays come out in 45 degree angle from the clouds that do not even take up a big portion of the sky.

Stop watching videos and get out.

Take a camera and a sun filter. Take a picture of a sun at noon and then at the sunset (or at the sunrise) and you will see that the sun is the same size. What they show you is glare. You have to see the sharp round disc of the sun through a filter.

The clouds have different thickness. The most simple analogy is cloth. Light clouds can easily pass light, when thick clouds block light. This is so simple!

And the sun rays... it's perspective. That's how you see it. They are parallel.

 

[Pillo-san]

we seem to not have real photographies of any planets, they are all composite/cgi. we have only two real pictures of earth form space ant it is one from 197x something and one that got taken a couple of years ago.

No you were not, but feel free to change the goalposts. Did you even bother to follow the links?

 

[Neddo]

I honestly think that vids like "Lie we live" and theories like these make the world more fun and thought provoking even though they are mostly fringe. (ie good examples of fringe)

 

[Scaff]

So you ignore all of the photos and the rest of the post?

Are the Japanese not trustworthy either?

 

[Pillo-san]

we seem to not have real photographies of any planets, they are all composite/cgi. we have only two real pictures of earth form space ant it is one from 197x something and one that got taken a couple of years ago.

No you were not, but feel free to change the goalposts. Did you even bother to follow the links?

Stop watching videos and get out.

Take a camera and a sun filter. Take a picture of a sun at noon and then at the sunset (or at the sunrise) and you will see that the sun is the same size. What they show you is glare. You have to see the sharp round disc of the sun through a filter.

The clouds have different thickness. The most simple analogy is cloth. Light clouds can easily pass light, when thick clouds block light. This is so simple!

And the sun rays... it's perspective. That's how you see it. They are parallel.

Actually I am thinking of convincing my friend to sail to southpole, I mean, his dad usually sails around the world anyway so why not see if it is actually true if the UN will point guns at us

So you ignore all of the photos and the rest of the post? Are the Japanese not trustworthy either?

If you are talking about the air plane traffic in the southern hemisphere just watch the mark sergant clipz I linked to earlier.

No, if you ask FE people then you should not trust any space agencies at all, they are getting only data back any way and it can be manipulated. So either the agencies are manipulating the data or they are getting and analysing false/manipulated data. If you ask fe people that is. I do not know. If you have time to waste to try and argue with me on a "made up theory/fantasy" then you can watch that damn thing and decide for your self hehe

I am not the champion of fe theory , just wanted to say that it is fun and interesting

 

[Pupik]

I actually think that if people do not think for them selves then they are just ignorant. They just repeat what they have learned in school without questioning anything.

This is fine for the student fresh out of high school; there's plenty of half-truths and missing information which gets filled in (or removed) years later. There's reason to question everything. The scientist also know one requires a "control", and doesn't change everything at once to expect repeatable and verifiable results. (Just ask the tuning departments of our GT sub-forums.)

But I feel I life spent questioning everything ad infintium turns into solipsistic regurgitation very quickly. You know what they say about doing the exact same thing repeatedly and expecting different results, no?

Don't foist the conspiracy theories on the rest of us who have been able to successfully employ what we've learned into technological improvements we've actually had a hand in, or have been a part of in some way. Or what we've experienced - there's no unified conspiracy to control everything unless you want there to be one. That's just sad, silly talk.

Want to write a novel about it...go right ahead! That's as great place for those things. But typically, these shysters couldn't hack it in the real world and dropped out of the sphere of scientific influence and went right to peddling their pseudoscience as a cure, an answer, an excuse, or in most cases...a way to surgically remove money from your wallet and spend your hard-earned time as well. You're also being played for a fool, not us.

 

[Scaff]

If you are talking about the air plane traffic in the southern hemisphere just watch the mark sergant clipz I linked to earlier.

I know the claims, but what evidence exists to show that GPS gets turned off on all S Hemisphere flights? The closest I've come is people who don't understand the difference between GPS and radar tracking.

No, if you ask FE people then you should not trust any space agencies at all, they are getting only data back any way and it can be manipulated. So either the agencies are manipulating the data or they are getting and analysing false/manipulated data. If you ask fe people that is. I do not know.

Yet the expect us to trust them based on nothing? Odd that.

If you have time to waste to try and argue with me on a "made up theory/fantasy" then you can watch that damn thing and decide for your self hehe

Doesn't work that way, you the one presenting this as a valid idea worth considering, therefore the onus is on you to support it.

I am not the champion of fe theory , just wanted to say that it is fun and interesting

You come across as one.

 

[unit-one]

just watch the mark sergant clipz I linked to earlier.

I'll just leave this over here.

 

[Vegard]

To be fair we know nothing

Speak for yourself.

There is exactly 0 evidence for a flat earth. There is so much evidence for a globe earth that even thinking out loud about a flat earth makes you look dumb, stupid, moronic, idiotic and I could go on for quite some time.

Criticise the post, not the poster. Reported.

 

[Carbonox]

Criticise the post, not the poster. Reported.

Saying that something just makes someone look moronic is not yet a personal insult. If it had been said more bluntly, you might have a case, but now this reeks of unnecessarily strict mini-modding.

 

[Vegard]

Saying that something just makes someone look moronic is not yet a personal insult. If it had been said more bluntly, you might have a case, but now this reeks of unnecessarily strict mini-modding.

I'll let the moderators be the judge of that.

 

[Touring Mars]

Criticise the post, not the poster. Reported.

It's fine... there's no direct insult there.

 

[x3ra]

Flat Earth is fun, but a distraction. Evidence is poor. Whilst I believe that the earth is spherical, it is only a belief.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/17/fbi-releases-100-new-pages-on-clinton-email-probe.html

There was a powerful group of very high-ranking STATE officials that some referred to as 'The 7th Floor Group' or 'The Shadow Government.' This group met every Wednesday afternoon to discuss the FOIA process, Congressional records, and everything CLINTON-related to FOIA/Congressional inquiries," the FBI's interview summary said.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So how on Earth can you ask



?

You failed to specify whether or not one was in relative orbit, standing on an Earth plane... all basic stuff. Might I be so rude as to ask what level you studied engineering at?

As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to Wiki but you can't make it understand.

Reason I gave up, the engineering he must of studied had to be civil or biomed cause I don't understand how any other field other than chem-e can question this stuff with such purpose every time. Then claim no we didn't answer his questions, when in reality choosing to ignore the answer is all he's done.

@Pillo-san can you please answer @TenEightyOne's question about what level of engineering you studied. 99-06 is quite the expansive range, I know people as we speak that have achieved their masters in engineering in less of that time, so I mean you must be well traversed.

 

[Sprite]

I watched an amazing documentary on the Illuminati, it's very informative and digs deep into some of the myths surrounding this dark and secretive group.

It's called Angel & Demons, it's worth checking out.

 

[Pillo-san]

Reason I gave up, the engineering he must of studied had to be civil or biomed cause I don't understand how any other field other than chem-e can question this stuff with such purpose every time. Then claim no we didn't answer his questions, when in reality choosing to ignore the answer is all he's done.

@Pillo-san can you please answer @TenEightyOne's question about what level of engineering you studied. 99-06 is quite the expansive range, I know people as we speak that have achieved their masters in engineering in less of that time, so I mean you must be well traversed.

I thought I already said what it when I mentioned my education, hmm seems I removed it before posting. 3 years of technical/electronic/physics program in highshcool and rest of the time in university, ME. 2010-2011 economy and last year it was a program for alternative fuel. Like lng/cng/hybrides/electrical solutions. Next year it will be probably a short program so that I can weld my own motorcycle frames. but what does it have to do with anything? Not like FE have anything to do with education. And not that I believe 100% in FE although I cant say it is enticing and it seems I am the defender of FE here

I know that people like Neil Degrasse Tyson is saying that people that are not educated or that those that do not understand science are the ones that are stupid enough to believe in FE but it seems that a lot of people just are parrots and simply repeat his statements with out even looking into it. I do not think there are that many low educated here where I live as it seems that if you want to have a simple job like a cleaner or something you need higher education to get it. Like you really need 3years in school to know how to hold a mop
Anyway I captured an odd space clip today, I understand that people react like FE people do when they see inconsistencies like this



loop 3:



loop who knows, two days later after all and it is repeating still:



edit, added two clips.

 

[Scaff]

Not like FE have anything to do with education.

It does if people are ignoring basic laws of physics.

I know that people like Neil Degrasse Tyson is saying that people that are not educated or that those that do not understand science are the ones that are stupid enough to believe in FE but it seems that a lot of people just are parrots and simply repeat his statements.

And?

I do not think there are that many low educated here where I live as it seems that if you want to have a simple job like a cleaner or something you need higher education to get it. Like you really need 3years in school to know how to hold a mop

A. I think your exaggerating, and B. that has no relevance at all.

Anyway I captured an odd space clip today, I understand that people react like FE people do when they see inconsistencies like this

You going to have to be a lot more specific than that. As I see a camera being moved around a bit and the exposure changing as the light source (the sun) is obscured and reappears, much as any camera would.

Oh it does however include some very, very nice footage of the curvature of the Earth however, isn't that not supposed to exist in the FE cannon?

 

[Pillo-san]

It does if people are ignoring basic laws of physics.
And?
A. I think your exaggerating, and B. that has no relevance at all.
You going to have to be a lot more specific than that. As I see a camera being moved around a bit and the exposure changing as the light source (the sun) is obscured and reappears, much as any camera would.

Oh it does however include some very, very nice footage of the curvature of the Earth however, isn't that not supposed to exist in the FE cannon?

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No it does not, they still believe in normal Newtonian physics. they just ignore everything in space as lies and stories. Electromagnetism, and Newtonian physics still is valid.

A, I want to prove my point, people that are talking **** about FE people think that they are high and mighy when they themselves are probably less educated then those FE people. Thus making that point.

abut the clip, you seriously do not see that it is getting darker(night) and suddenly when the astronaut aims the camera at himself it suddenly cuts to daylight when it just got dark? It seems it is a loop that is looping for 20days straight...

 

[Scaff]

No it does not, they still believe in normal Newtonian physics. they just ignore everything in space as lies and stories. Electromagnetism, and Newtonian physics still is valid.

Then please explain how gravity works on a Flat Earth (and some FE advocates utterly dispute gravity)

A, I want to prove my point, people that are talking **** about FE people think that they are high and mighy when they themselves are probably less educated then those FE people. Thus making that point.

No your making an assumption that people are saying that, your presenting an argument for a situation you haven't demonstrated exists. Even if it does exist, its doesn't make it untrue.

After all its not as if a correlation between educational level and acceptance of Conspiracy doesn't exist.
https://kar.kent.ac.uk/48402/1/Douglas et al - CTs and HAD.pdf

abut the clip, you seriously do not see that it is getting darker(night) and suddenly when the astronaut aims the camera at himself it suddenly cuts to daylight when it just got dark? It seems it is a loop that is looping for 20days straight...

Take a digital camera (your phone will do), go from a darkened room to outside on a sunny day and you will see exactly the same thing, a camera is not able to adjust to changes in light expose as quickly as the human eye is and the clip clearly shows it happening when the camera is moved (so the light source and its intensity changes) or the light source has been obscured.

To take one of the basic principals of photography (and known limitation of digital cameras) and turn it into its a loop is a very big leap to make based on the evidence you have shown. If its a loop you should have no problem showing directly repeated footage.

Oh and what about that curvature?

 

[TenEightyOne]

I thought I already said what it when I mentioned my education, hmm seems I removed it before posting. 3 years of technical/electronic/physics program in highshcool and rest of the time in university, ME.

You have a Masters in Engineering? Surely not... can an American translate that for me please?

Next year it will be probably a short program so that I can weld my own motorcycle frames

I'm confusted.

I know that people like Neil Degrasse Tyson is saying that people that are not educated or that those that do not understand science are the ones that are stupid enough to believe in FE but it seems that a lot of people just are parrots and simply repeat his statements with out even looking into it.

Quite definitely. The same is true of flat-eathers/anti-vaxxers/steel-beamers and so on, of course.

Fortunately you're at a forum where there seems to be a good number of professional scientists and engineers, academically there's a nice smattering of Bachelors, Masters and the occasional Doctor.

abut the clip, you seriously do not see that it is getting darker(night) and suddenly when the astronaut aims the camera at himself it suddenly cuts to daylight when it just got dark? It seems it is a loop that is looping for 20days straight...

I see what you see. I understand it completely differently though. There's no atmospheric refraction in space, you're seeing how the camera sensor is auto-adjusting. The reflection from the visor is adding an interesting dynamic... but otherwise I'm of the opinion that your theory blows.

Then please explain how gravity works on a Flat Earth (and some FE advocates utterly dispute gravity)

Oh, oh, I know this one! The earth plane is accelerating "upwards" all the time. It just never reaches the speed of light because... well... it doesn't

 

[Scaff]

Oh, oh, I know this one! The earth plane is accelerating "upwards" all the time. It just never reaches the speed of light because... well... it doesn't

Yep that one (which kind of ignores why birds and planes don't get slammed into the ground constantly, as well as breaking relativity); and the one that proposes that the flat earth is a spinning disc, but forgets that the gravity in that scenario would be wildly different the further from the centre you go (and absent in the very centre).


Oh and I forgot this the last time the thread was active, the FE claim that no direct Southern Hemisphere flights exist between South America and Australia or South Africa and Australia is also nonsense:
http://www.ausbt.com.au/fastest-sydney-to-rio-de-janeiro-brazil-flight-lan-la772-la773

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN800

http://www.traveller.com.au/virgin-...hrough-south-african-airways-codeshare-10okil

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA63

 

[Pillo-san]

I already said what FE people think is responsible for "gravity" so to speak. just take a look back in my old posts.

It is I that have captured that clip, watched it from the start to the end(loop) And you can clearly see that the half moon is getting lesser and lesser (ie the sun is getting behind the earth, it is getting darker(night) ) and when he aims the camera at himself it cuts to day, ie a new frame. From the begging. It is actually very easy to see this when I just fast forward on my phone. I have already seen this exact same thing happen 3 times now. It just loops over and over again, I think... hehe after all I have only seen this 3 times = about 3-4 hours.

So it is easy to draw a conclusion that something is not right, and that is how conspiracies take root.

ME= mechanical engineering/mechanics of materials. I hope it is right in eng..

Yes in my country it is free to educate yourself so if you have time over you just take some new courses/choose a new program if you wish so I think a welding course will be my next thing to learn. I want to make my own motorcycle frame.

 

[Scaff]

I already said what FE people think is responsible for "gravity" so to speak. just take a look back in my old posts.

None of which follow the laws of physics as you claimed they did.

It is I that have capured that clip, watched it from the start to the end(loop) And you can clearly see that the half moon is getting lesser and lesser (ie the sun is getting behind the earth and another ie it is getting darker(night) ) and when he aims the camera at himself it cuts to day, ie a new frame. From the begging. It is actually very easy to see this when I just fast forward on my phone. I have already seen this exact same thing happen 3 times now. It just loops over and over again, I think... hehe after all I have only seen this 3 times = about 3-4 hours.

Then you will have no problem posting the times that footage is reused, as that is what would have to happen if its a loop.

And do you honestly think that the only reason that the camera exposure could change is this? why are you dismissing the fact that the camera moving and being obscured would have exactly the same result, particularly when we see the camera being moved and obscured? Its a failing of critical reasoning of immense proportions.

Oh and for the third time, what about the curvature of the Earth!

So it is easy to draw a conclusion that something is not right, and that is how conspiracies take root.

Yes, by failing to understand the basics of physics, how cameras work, ignoring evidence that is in front of you and an utter lack of critical reasoning.

Its an odd thing to appear to be proud of.

 

[Pillo-san]

bahh so what will you give me if it is a loop? I have the second clip on my phone, ready for upload anytime, hehe
Camera exposure? You gotta be kidding me, it is getting dark.... The sun is setting behind the earth in that clip and you are talking about exposure. The last light of the sun is a sliver on the earth and then it magically gets daylight when he point at himself? No exposure, just a restart of the loop as I watched it 3times already.

And then when I Post the second clip, what then? will you be a Flat Earther then? hehehe come on, I do not understand why you even talk with me about this when you do not even like this. What is it to you? All you want to do is belittle people that have not the same view of the world as you. You question my education, my sanity because I like something new that I my self am not 100% of but it sounds new and refreshing. If you have nothing else but negativity then maybe you should not bother with this subject? I find it very odd that moderators behave like this.

 

[Scaff]

bahh so what will you give me if it is a loop? I have the second clip on my phone, ready for upload anytime, hehe
Camera exposure? You gotta be kidding me, it is getting dark.... The sun is setting behind the earth in that clip and you are talking about exposure. The last light of the sun is a sliver on the earth and then it magically gets daylight when he point at himself? No exposure, just a restart of the loop as I watched it 3times already.

Then you will have no problem at all proving the times on the video you believe this to be happening.

Oh and for the forth time - what about the curvature that is clearly visible, why do you keep ignoring that?

And then when I Post the second clip, what then? will you be a Flat Earther then? hehehe come on, I do not understand why you even talk with me about this when you do not even like this. What is it to you? All you want to do is belittle people that have not the same view of the world as you. You question my education, my sanity because I like something new that I my self am not 100% of but it sounds new and refreshing. If you have nothing else but negativity then maybe you should not bother with this subject?

This is not your personal blog, you don't get to simply post whatever you like and expect others not to comment on it, if we don't agree on what you say then we are free to say so.

I am more than open to discussing actual evidence, but to date you have provided nothing that is credible in that regard and have consistently ignored evidence that doesn't support your claims and ignored quite clear and straightforward questions.

Asking questions and asking for evidence to support extraordinary claims is not belittling, its a reasonable response to the claims you are making.

You also seem to forget that the ISS is not in a geo-stationary orbit or that other live feeds are available from it.

http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/

I find it very odd that moderators behave like this.

It has nothing at all to do with me being a moderator.

 

[Pillo-san]

Then you will have no problem at all proving the times on the video you believe this to be happening.

Oh and for the forth time - what about the curvature that is clearly visible, why do you keep ignoring that?



This is not your personal blog, you don't get to simply post whatever you like and expect others not to comment on it, if we don't agree on what you say then we are free to say so.

I am more than open to discussing actual evidence, but to date you have provided nothing that is credible in that regard and have consistently ignored evidence that doesn't support your claims and ignored quite clear and straightforward questions.

Asking questions and asking for evidence to support extraordinary claims is not belittling, its a reasonable response to the claims you are making.

You also seem to forget that the ISS is not in a geo-stationary orbit or that other live feeds are available from it.

http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/



It has nothing at all to do with me being a moderator.

I am watching it still, since the presidential debate it has been looping and looping. Presidential debate was at 3am and now it is 3pm and yet it is looping. It says that it will show recorded material when ISS is at the "back side of the earth" for 45 mins and yet it has been looping until now. Strange that a planet with thousands of satellites have a dark side, I mean I want to see all the city lights from earth and all.

Just look at youtube if you want arguments for the FE model, people such as you may not call them proof but when they show a video of, hey I can see this object this far away and yet it should not be possible if the earth was round and at the same time show the math and where they with google map. Does it not make you think why they can see that far? The object should not be visible as it should be under the horizon. Like I said if you do are not even interested then why even bother trying to argue with me if you not interested?

You and other moderators are often warning people because of posters have nothing to add to a subject/thread as they start writing why such and such game is better/worse then the game in question and yet you are doing precisely the same.

I have said to you and others what FE usually believe in and I even gave some tips on what to watch if interested but instead you are saying that only stupid people believe in such things and trying to indirectly attack me as a person.

No proof will be credible as no mainstream/accepted organisation takes this seriously but even still, they do their own experiment with odd results. Basically there is not such a big difference physics wise. All they say is that we live on a disc shaped flat earth with the moon and sun circulating over the FE disc. There is no space,no planets no stars/galaxies that are light years away. Some take a religious standpoint, saying that stars are basically angels/illuminates in the firmament that is enclosing the flat earth. Other just do not know, but the thing is they do not dismiss science just the space part of it, how hard can it be to understand that?

There are great youtube clips that explain it how such a model could work but you simply lack any interest in searching it out and want just to argue because someone have said something you do not like... And to make it even worse you take examples that serious flat earthers would not even bother with. gravity is simply density/mass of an object, for example which sound very simple enough. Like I said before even trying to argue with me just get some more info about it, you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place, when you know more then you can come and discuss with me, who knows it can be fun. Actually I almost have forgotten about FE until I saw this Conspiracy thread because I was watching About electric universe but hey It is actually quite interesting.