The Illuminati and other Conspiracy Theories thread

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I thought I already said what it when I mentioned my education, hmm seems I removed it before posting. 3 years of technical/electronic/physics program in highshcool and rest of the time in university, ME. 2010-2011 economy and last year it was a program for alternative fuel. Like lng/cng/hybrides/electrical solutions. Next year it will be probably a short program so that I can weld my own motorcycle frames. but what does it have to do with anything? Not like FE have anything to do with education. And not that I believe 100% in FE although I cant say it is enticing and it seems I am the defender of FE here

I know that people like Neil Degrasse Tyson is saying that people that are not educated or that those that do not understand science are the ones that are stupid enough to believe in FE but it seems that a lot of people just are parrots and simply repeat his statements with out even looking into it. I do not think there are that many low educated here where I live as it seems that if you want to have a simple job like a cleaner or something you need higher education to get it. Like you really need 3years in school to know how to hold a mop
Anyway I captured an odd space clip today, I understand that people react like FE people do when they see inconsistencies like this

So you studied Mechanical Engineering for that 1999-06 time line you gave? I'm confused as to what ME is, I know English is probably not your native language, but it does me a disservice to try and give your posts respect and see where you're coming from if I can't understand you. Despite me agreeing or disagreeing with them.

As for what I do understand. I'm not arguing your FE claims, I refuse to argue them, just as you find it amusing to suggest FE is possible, I find it all the more hilarious to simply say No put my fingers in my ears as you've done and continue to say no. You'd find it incredible the names I get called for doing such in the real world during FE arguments, me laughing while doing it doesn't help either.

As for what I am arguing, it's your thoughts on heat transfer and how space being cold is a lie, and how space is some dirt devil vacuum cleaners all the time. I've bolded this so you clearly understand what I disagree with you on, and why I find it strange that if you've studied what you've claimed, done the work you would have to have done, and still come out seeing it as BS...Maybe you perhaps didn't do what you claim.

 

[Pillo-san]

Have I said anything about space transferring heat? I have said that objects in thermosphere are quite hot, and that an object with that is a lot of particles will heat up each other up there when it is day. when an object comes in contact with an other object the heat transfer between them will occur. How can object that massive cool down when it the athmosphere is so thin, basically vacuum. how will you get the heat away from the station, you are someone else said that it has radiators in the shadow of it self but how can the heat evaporate/transfer away from it in basically vacuum, someone said that the heat would radiate away but I said that I find it very unlikely that if it would be possible then it would not be enough for it to cool enough. Like I said, I am not an expert here but I just think logically. I think

But a true flat earther is dismissing ISS/sattalites/space and instead are saying that it is filmed in a pool
As someone who look up to Flat earther I must blindly follow them

hehe, if you have good explanation about that the Iss heat thing be my guest, I listen.

 

[Scaff]

I am watching it still, since the presidential debate it has been looping and looping. Presidential debate was at 3am and now it is 3pm and yet it is looping. It says that it will show recorded material when ISS is at the "back side of the earth" for 45 mins and yet it has been looping until now. Strange that a planet with thousands of satellites have a dark side, I mean I want to see all the city lights from earth and all.

Then please provide the footage and details of the time-point it loops at. I've asked you for this a number of times and you have ignored it every time.

Do you honestly just expect people to believe you when you refuse to even acknowledge requests for supporting evidence, let alone provide it.

Just look at youtube if you want arguments for the FE model, people such as you may not call them proof but when they show a video of, hey I can see this object this far away and yet it should not be possible if the earth was round and at the same time show the math and where they with google map. Does it not make you think why they can see that far? The object should not be visible as it should be under the horizon. Like I said if you do are not even interested then why even bother trying to argue with me if you not interested?

At what point have I said I'm not interested?

I've never said that, the opposite in fact, I have repeatedly asked you to provide information and evidence that can be tested.

as such don't attempt to assign a false position to me again.

You and other moderators are often warning people because of posters have nothing to add to a subject/thread as they start writing why such and such game is better/worse then the game in question and yet you are doing precisely the same.

I've added plenty to the subject/thread, including examples of how a round Earth can be shown to be true, that photes of the whole planet exist in abundance, that point to point flight do happen in the Southern Hemisphere, as to why the FE idea of Gravity is not possible, etc, etc.

A claim that I have added nothing to the subject is demonstrably untrue, and as you seem so interested in my Moderator status I will point out that claiming so is also an AUP violation.

I have said to you and others what FE usually believe in and I even gave some tips on what to watch if interested but instead you are saying that only stupid people believe in such things and trying to indirectly attack me as a person.

No, what I've done is posted counter arguments, evidence and sources.

That you have ignored them out of hand is not my issue.

No proof will be credible as no mainstream/accepted organisation takes this seriously but even still, they do their own experiment with odd results. Basically there is not such a big difference physics wise. All they say is that we live on a disc shaped flat earth with the moon and sun circulating over the FE disc. There is no space,no planets no stars/galaxies that are light years away. Some take a religious standpoint, saying that stars are basically angels/illuminates in the firmament that is enclosing the flat earth. Other just do not know, but the thing is they do not dismiss science just the space part of it, how hard can it be to understand that?

Ref the highlighted part. Yes it is a big difference unless you think that breaking the theory of relativity is no big thing!

He's the thing about science, you don't dismiss it based on a whim or un-tested data. You base it on evidence, the scientific method and peer review.

There are great youtube clips that explain it how such a model could work but you simply lack any interest in searching it out and want just to argue because someone have said something you do not like... And to make it even worse you take examples that serious flat earthers would not even bother with. gravity is simply density/mass of an object, for example which sound very simple enough. Like I said before even trying to argue with me just get some more info about it, you do not even know what you are talking about in the first place, when you know more then you can come and discuss with me, who knows it can be fun. Actually I almost have forgotten about FE until I saw this Conspiracy thread because I was watching About electric universe but hey It is actually quite interesting.

It has nothing at all to do with what I like or do not like, it has everything to do with what can be shown to be correct via tested data, evidence, the scientific method and peer review.

Don't assume that I have never discussed FE before, or that I am unaware of the key claimed made by the various versions of the FE community.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Have I said anything about space transferring heat? I have said that objects in thermosphere are quite hot, and that an object with that is a lot of particles will heat up each other up there when it is day. when an object comes in contact with an other object the heat transfer between them will occur. How can object that massive cool down when it the athmosphere is so thin, basically vacuum. how will you get the heat away from the station, you are someone else said that it has radiators in the shadow of it self but how can the heat evaporate/transfer away from it in basically vacuum, someone said that the heat would radiate away but I said that I find it very unlikely that if it would be possible then it would not be enough for it to cool enough. Like I said, I am not an expert here but I just think logically. I think
...
hehe, if you have good explanation about that the Iss heat thing be my guest, I listen.

You're making a fatal overall assumption; space is a vacuum. Space is either a vacuum or it isn't, you've hinted at that by saying "basically vacuum". You were right, it's basically a vacuum, that is to say that from our relative position in the dense gas held to the globe where we live space is much less dense.

However, space is not a vacuum. That's how radiation, convection and basic particular conduction are able to work in the shadow.

 

[Scaff]

You're making a fatal overall assumption; space is a vacuum. Space is either a vacuum or it isn't, you've hinted at that by saying "basically vacuum". You were right, it's basically a vacuum, that is to say that from our relative position in the dense gas held to the globe where we live space is much less dense.

However, space is not a vacuum. That's how radiation, convection and basic particular conduction are able to work in the shadow.

Bingo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum#Outer_space

 

[killerjimbag]

Just a question? Illuminati or outer space talk. Perhaps a PM.
The world is square. Debate that.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Just a question? Illuminati or outer space talk. Perhaps a PM.

Or perhaps just don't read if you're not interested in the conspiracy-theory aspect of the thread? After all, it's clear that that's exactly what is is.

Not up to me of course, just a suggestion.

The world is square. Debate that.

Isn't that effectively what we're already doing?

 

[Scaff]

Just a question? Illuminati or outer space talk. Perhaps a PM.
The world is square. Debate that.

To be fair the thread is now pretty much a general conspiracy theory thread, but it could do with a title change.

Anyway I'm sure some flat earth followers believe it's the illuminati that's hiding the truth.

 

[Exorcet]

Just look at youtube if you want arguments for the FE model, people such as you may not call them proof but when they show a video of, hey I can see this object this far away and yet it should not be possible if the earth was round and at the same time show the math and where they with google map. Does it not make you think why they can see that far? The object should not be visible as it should be under the horizon. Like I said if you do are not even interested then why even bother trying to argue with me if you not interested?

Yes, some flat earthers put a lot of work into what they do. That doesn't make them correct though. As I pointed out with the space propulsion video, FE believers tend to leave out important details.

I have said to you and others what FE usually believe in and I even gave some tips on what to watch if interested but instead you are saying that only stupid people believe in such things and trying to indirectly attack me as a person.

I asked before, but I don't think you replied. What do you consider acceptable responses to FE theory? Your posts in this thread seem to indicate that you believe that people arguing against FE are just parroting arguments and not thinking for themselves. What makes you so sure? Couldn't it also be that the flaws in FE theory are obvious? Some of them are.

No proof will be credible as no mainstream/accepted organisation takes this seriously but even still, they do their own experiment with odd results. Basically there is not such a big difference physics wise. All they say is that we live on a disc shaped flat earth with the moon and sun circulating over the FE disc. There is no space,no planets no stars/galaxies that are light years away. Some take a religious standpoint, saying that stars are basically angels/illuminates in the firmament that is enclosing the flat earth. Other just do not know, but the thing is they do not dismiss science just the space part of it, how hard can it be to understand that?

There are massive physics differences. The only way you can claim that they are small is if you only look at once specific problem at a time and never put them together. For example, the size of the Sun problem. Mathematically, you can find a size that allows the Sun to be close to Earth. However this causes problems in other areas, like changing the mechanism for energy production in the Sun. I don't think I've ever seen a FE video that addresses that.

The density explanation for falling objects is also ridiculous since buoyancy is a result of gravity.

These people aren't really coming up with interesting or novel ideas. They're misunderstanding the world they live in while thinking they know it best.

That their ideas get shouted down quickly isn't necessarily a sign of general ignorance from the opposition (though I'm sure some people supporting the round Earth aren't thinking and are just parroting). It happens because FE theory is obviously wrong/incomplete most of the time.

 

[unit-one]

I'm so sad that I missed the start of the FE debate. =(

What I want to see from flatmans is a working model.
And an explanation on why the sun and the moon and stars set below the horizon without changing their size.

 

[Pillo-san]

Then please provide the footage and details of the time-point it loops at. I've asked you for this a number of times and you have ignored it every time.

Do you honestly just expect people to believe you when you refuse to even acknowledge requests for supporting evidence, let alone provide it.



At what point have I said I'm not interested?

I've never said that, the opposite in fact, I have repeatedly asked you to provide information and evidence that can be tested.

as such don't attempt to assign a false position to me again.



I've added plenty to the subject/thread, including examples of how a round Earth can be shown to be true, that photes of the whole planet exist in abundance, that point to point flight do happen in the Southern Hemisphere, as to why the FE idea of Gravity is not possible, etc, etc.

A claim that I have added nothing to the subject is demonstrably untrue, and as you seem so interested in my Moderator status I will point out that claiming so is also an AUP violation.




No, what I've done is posted counter arguments, evidence and sources.

That you have ignored them out of hand is not my issue.




Ref the highlighted part. Yes it is a big difference unless you think that breaking the theory of relativity is no big thing!

He's the thing about science, you don't dismiss it based on a whim or un-tested data. You base it on evidence, the scientific method and peer review.




It has nothing at all to do with what I like or do not like, it has everything to do with what can be shown to be correct via tested data, evidence, the scientific method and peer review.

Don't assume that I have never discussed FE before, or that I am unaware of the key claimed made by the various versions of the FE community.

Sorry but you have come with nothing that disprove their claims, if you would have seen a single video you would have known what arguments they use to disprove that video and links that you have posted. I have said all that I know about FE but you are the one that have added nothing/no counter arguments or evidence to the subject you just try to claim that people that watches FE conspiracies are stupid. Which they are not. If you were interested in this stuff you would have read my explanations about FE stuff or even watch a single video of it because you do not even know what they claim/their arguments are. You should not be a moderator at all, that is my opinion and I am sticking with it, you behave way to obnoxiously.

you even claimed that it was a simple over exposure when I posted my clip, wow what an big expert you are
You could have looked for more clip on my channel about the loop but I guess you where too smart for that, seems your interest in FE is strong with you
Anyway I even posted a new clip today so go back to mine earlier post where I embedded the loop video, there should be two new. Like I said, stuff like that are the reasons conspiracies arise.

Like I said, do not talk with me about this crap when you have nothing to add that bears weight.

 

[Famine]

You should not be a moderator at all, that is my opinion and I am sticking with it.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with any part of this discussion about the pseudoscience peddled by flat-earthers. Stick to the subject.

 

[FoRiZon]

Never knew discussion about Illuminati can led into Mod bashing, to be honest.

 

[Dotini]

Flat Earth is a myth.

But oral history and later written history was transmitted by myth and legend, stories that are easy to remember. Also true knowledge is encoded in myth and symbolism.

Illuminati is also a myth. But myths have uses and purposes, so there is likely some history or truth that is encoded in the Iluuminati myth.

 

[Scaff]

Sorry but you have come with nothing that disprove their claims, if you would have seen a single video you would have known what arguments they use to disprove that video and links that you have posted. I have said all that I know about FE but you are the one that have added nothing/no counter arguments or evidence to the subject you just try to claim that people that watches FE conspiracies are stupid. Which they are not. If you were interested in this stuff you would have read my explanations about FE stuff or even watch a single video of it because you do not even know what they claim/their arguments are.

So your response to perfectly reasonable questions is to avoid them......

You should not be a moderator at all, that is my opinion and I am sticking with it, you behave way to obnoxiously.

....and throw around baseless insults.

I strongly recommended you re-read the AUP and start to follow it.

you even claimed that it was a simple over exposure when I posted my clip, wow what an big expert you are

Well I did train as a photographer....

You could have looked for more clip on my channel about the loop but I guess you where too smart for that, seems your interest in FE is strong with you
Anyway I even posted a new clip today so go back to mine earlier post where I embedded the loop video, there should be two new. Like I said, stuff like that are the reasons conspiracies arise.

I have, they add nothing at all, I've asked you to state (here) what time the loop occurs and what images are repeated in the loop. You have failed to do so.

All you have done is ignore these perfectly reasonable requests, so please start with how they disprove the Theory of Relativity (because that would be Nobel prize winning).

Like I said, do not talk with me about this crap when you have nothing to add that bears weight.

You don't get to tell other members what they can and can't post about, as I have said this is not your personal blog, don't treat it as one again.

 

[Pillo-san]

So, it is okey for you to insinuate and say that people are Idiots and fools if they believe in something strange but when someone say that you are behaving unworthy if you behave like that it is I that shall suffer the consequence?

When I give you three clips where you can see the loop restating, when he points the camera at himself you ask where it does it an says that it is over exposure? I have told you many times, it should get dark not daylight as it does in the clips, ie when it is light it have already started over again because the sun is on the other side of the earth... come on, over exposure?

Response to what? I have given you all the explanations to your questions about gravity and everything, all that I can give but it seems you have not read my posts at all. If you want more you should look into it yourself, the links I have posted are good start.

Personal blog? It is you that think this is a personal blog, If I say that I do not want you to talk to me because of your lack of knowledge makes you aggregated which in turn you take it out on me, then please by all means do not write with me as I do not find you worthy of mine time, maybe there is a hide/block/ignore button.

It was bad judgement letting myself to even talk about this here, I really thought people were grown up here especially the mods. Lesson learned and a lot of time wasted trying to let people know about something "new" and fun.

 

[Famine]

maybe there is a hide/block/ignore button

Not for staff. Staff cannot be ignored for fairly obvious reasons, and staff cannot ignore for similar fairly obvious reasons - it prevents them from doing their job.

I really thought people were grown up here especially the mods.

Your points have been addressed repeatedly. Perhaps if you stopped taking things so personally you'd have a better time of it - after all, as you said when you started this tangent:

I am not a flat earther

... so quite why you're taking comments about flat earth pseudoscience being peddled by idiots as a personal insult I don't know.

Everything about flat earth is absolute horseapples that doesn't bear up to a fraction of a second's scrutiny. You can detect the Earth's curvature and measure the size of it in about 10 minutes all by yourself with nothing more than a ruler.

 

[Scaff]

So, it is okey for you to insinuate and say that people are Idiots and fools if they believe in something strange but when someone say that you are behaving unworthy if you behave like that it is I that shall suffer the consequence?

Good job I haven't done that then.

When I give you three clips where you can see the loop restating, when he points the camera at himself you ask where it does it an says that it is over exposure? I have told you many times, it should get dark not daylight as it does in the clips, ie when it is light it have already started over again because the sun is on the other side of the earth... come on, over exposure?

Exact time point on the video please, I mean its not like I haven't asked you to provide that about a half dozen times.

Response to what? I have given you all the explanations to your questions about gravity and everything, all that I can give but it seems you have not read my posts at all. If you want more you should look into it yourself, the links I have posted are good start.

You have not addressed the two points I raised about gravity on a flat earth at all (and neither does a single FE video I have ever seen).

If the FE claim of it being caused by the disc rising upwards then how do they square that with General Relativity?

If the FE claim of it being caused by the rotation of the disc then why doesn't gravity vary across the planet?

Oh and for the fifth time, what about the clear curveture of the Earth visable in you videos?

Personal blog? It is you that think this is a personal blog, If I say that I do not want you to talk to me because of your lack of knowledge makes you aggregated which in turn you take it out on me, then please by all means do not write with me as I do not find you worthy of mine time, maybe there is a hide/block/ignore button.

Once again you don't get to tell other members what they can and can't post about. That you are the one attempting (repeatedly) to do this is why you come across as acting as if the site was your own blog.. I'm not doing that at all, quite the opposite I keep asking you questions you refuse to answer and posting replies that you ignore the content of.

It was bad judgement letting myself to even talk about this here, I really thought people were grown up here especially the mods. Lesson learned and a lot of time wasted trying to let people know about something "new" and fun.

You assume we didn't know about it before (when many of us did) and you can cut out the digs.

 

[Pillo-san]

Not for staff. Staff cannot be ignored for fairly obvious reasons, and staff cannot ignore for similar fairly obvious reasons - it prevents them from doing their job.

Your points have been addressed repeatedly. Perhaps if you stopped taking things so personally you'd have a better time of it - after all, as you said when you started this tangent:

... so quite why you're taking comments about flat earth pseudoscience being peddled by idiots as a personal insult I don't know.

Everything about flat earth is absolute horseapples that doesn't bear up to a fraction of a second's scrutiny. You can detect the Earth's curvature and measure the size of it in about 10 minutes all by yourself with nothing more than a ruler.

Yeah I know, I know, But giving him explanations on like what gravity is for a lot of flat earthers, simple "density" of the object, and other explanations on like the looped space walk and where it cuts/starts over. It starts over when he aims the camera at himself. And yet he still says I have not given any explanations which I have as good as I could and on top of that he questioned my education tried to make belittle me while ignoring my posts. Of course anyone would get little sensitive(not that I cry or hate him or anything, but it does not feel welcoming )
When people ignores your posts and ask for same things over an over again when I already have given my response. It will make me the person that borught the subject up in the first place look like a flat earther when I try to explain same thing over and over again and on top of it all being called fool, idiot and get my education called into question, the whole thing just leaves bad taste..

 

[Scaff]

Yeah I know, I know, But giving him explanations on like what gravity is for a lot of flat earthers, simple "density" of the object, and other explanations on like the looped space walk and where it cuts/starts over. It starts over when he aims the camera at himself. And yet he still says I have not given any explanations which I have as good as I could and on top of that he questioned my education tried to make belittle me while ignoring my posts. Of course anyone would get little sensitive(not that I cry or hate him or anything, but it does not feel welcoming )
When people ignores your posts and ask for same things over an over again when I already have given my response. It will make me the person that borught the subject up in the first place look like a flat earther when I try to explain same thing over and over again and on top of it all being called fool, idiot and get my education called into question, the whole thing just leaves bad taste..

You best go back and read my posts before you start to throw around accusations.

Now about density, how do they respond to the problem that the earth they describe would not create gravity as we find it on earth or that such a model is not supported by relativity.

 

[Famine]

And yet he still says I have not given any explanations which I have as good as I could

That being part of the problem.

Flat Earth is codswallop. Every part of every facet of the 'science' behind it is utterly indefensible. When you say "I find this part of it interesting" that's fair enough. But when someone debunks it (because it's easy to debunk) and you say that you don't accept the explanation because you don't understand it, you're putting yourself in the exact position that Flat Earthers - or adherents to any other pseudoscience like anti-vaxxers or Intelligent Design - occupy; accepting a hokey explanation or supposition as valid because you don't understand the science behind the actual explanation.

That's a position occupied only by people who are not educated enough in that field - not necessarily stupid people or idiots, but people who don't have enough information.


Incidentally, turn the camera on your phone on and walk between a very dark room and a very bright room while watching the screen. You'll see exactly what @Scaff is describing as the sensors try to adjust the exposure automatically to adapt to the light levels.

 

[Pillo-san]

That being part of the problem.

Flat Earth is codswallop. Every part of every facet of the 'science' behind it is utterly indefensible. When you say "I find this part of it interesting" that's fair enough. But when someone debunks it (because it's easy to debunk) and you say that you don't accept the explanation because you don't understand it, you're putting yourself in the exact position that Flat Earthers - or adherents to any other pseudoscience like anti-vaxxers or Intelligent Design - occupy; accepting a hokey explanation or supposition as valid because you don't understand the science behind the actual explanation.

That's a position occupied only by people who are not educated enough in that field - not necessarily stupid people or idiots, but people who don't have enough information.


Incidentally, turn the camera on your phone on and walk between a very dark room and a very bright room while watching the screen. You'll see exactly what @Scaff is describing as the sensors try to adjust the exposure automatically to adapt to the light levels.

Maybe it is, but they do not dismiss normal science when they try to explain their findings/arguments, they follow Newtonian physics for example. Getting a bit tiresome here, hehe.. About the clip, no. The earth is bright then it slowly over time gets darker and darker and the sun is behind the earth with only a sliver of light reaming at the right side of the earth. I started to film at 1min before the clip starts over, ie when it is dark and when he is about to aim it at himself and it gets daylight suddenly with the sun high up again. So not an over exposure as it should be night.

By the way when we are talking about space and conspiracies, have you watched:

 

[TenEightyOne]

Maybe it is, but they do not dismiss normal science when they try to explain their findings/arguments, they follow Newtonian physics for example. Getting a bit tiresome here, hehe..

Feel free to provide your own peer-reviewed schema.

 

[Nessy]

I think most of the FE believers, cling to the 'Bedford canal' experiment, but fail to take into consideration, atmospheric refraction.

 

[Scaff]

Maybe it is, but they do not dismiss normal science when they try to explain their findings/arguments, they follow Newtonian physics for example. Getting a bit tiresome here, hehe.. About the clip, no. The earth is bright then it slowly over time gets darker and darker and the sun is behind the earth with only a sliver of light reaming at the right side of the earth. I started to film at 1min before the clip starts over, ie when it is dark and when he is about to aim it at himself and it gets daylight suddenly with the sun high up again. So not an over exposure as it should be night.

By the way when we are talking about space and conspiracies, have you watched:

Yes they do dismiss normal science.

I've stated this repeatedly and all you have done is ignore it or dismiss it out of hand.

Gravitational theory and relativity do not work in a flat earth model (any of them), I've said this repeatedly and the closest I've to an answer is the word density. I asked you to expand on this and you haven't.

I've also provided clear proof of point to point southern hemisphere flights (that apparently don't exist according to FE), numerous photos of the whole Earth (allegedly only two exist and they are likely fakes), pointed out the curvature of the Earth in your own video (which apparently doesn't exist either), stated why the FE ideas of gravity don't work (any of them) and provided a live feed of the earth from the ISS to provide an alternate.

All of which you have systematically ignored and then had the nerve to say I've added nothing and also claim I've made statements that I haven't.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Maybe it is, but they do not dismiss normal science when they try to explain their findings/arguments, they follow Newtonian physics for example. Getting a bit tiresome here, hehe.. About the clip, no. The earth is bright then it slowly over time gets darker and darker and the sun is behind the earth with only a sliver of light reaming at the right side of the earth. I started to film at 1min before the clip starts over, ie when it is dark and when he is about to aim it at himself and it gets daylight suddenly with the sun high up again. So not an over exposure as it should be night.

By the way when we are talking about space and conspiracies, have you watched:

Wow that's a bit playground like. You came here, you alone stating how Flat Earthers are faced with opposing people who repeat established science like some robots, yet here you've continually done the same just with respect to the flat earth idea. You've repeated their ideals put yourself in a firm foot hold and then claim fowl with each given explanation, you even went so far to claim you yourself have studied this type of stuff through engineering for a give duration, a sizable one at that. But then when asked where or what became of it, you backed away. When asked what parts of the explanations you aren't getting you backed away. When given further basis and how you can explain that in comparison to your arguments of space or flat earth....ding ding ding you backed away.


If anyone hasn't done a proper job of accepting and debunking returned arguments it's you.

 

[Carlos]

About that ISS video loop... I'm guessing you recorded it from this video:


You are totally right, that is a loop. Who is the uploader of that video? Not NASA, so how official is it? It's streaming a 'live' video from someones computer with an overlay and a live chat. What would the live stream show at NASA.gov? Something completely different. Or use this website: http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/. Read the description of that YouTube video, you'll see it is written pretty vague and not really saying anything about that this YT stream is showing images really live from ISS, just [2016] and somewhere in the bottom some info about the ISS going to the dark side of earth. The uploader probably wants you to believe that you are watching a live images from the ISS.

Please explain Polaris while it isn't visible everywhere. If you take many long exposure shots pointed to Polaris you would be able to see that it is moving also.

Look at the earth in above photo. You see a thunder 'line' going from the left all the way over to the right. All those spots are in roughly the same area on earth. It is captured like this because stacked long exposure photos made to one. This is how you make a star trail photo, only thing you do is make the shots, throw them into Photoshop as layers and highlight all but the first and set them as 'Lighten'. The thunder trail is only possible like this when the earth is round.

 

[niky]

More to the point, NASA itself says the real ISS stream cannot be continuous, and is only active when the station is in contact with the ground base

Also, I wonder how many Flat Earthers have flown halfway across the world without sleeping? (I can't sleep on planes)

Really screws with your head to have both internal and external clocks telling you it's past midnight at high noon.

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This reminds me of the Orrery, invented back before philosophers had to begrudgingly accept heliocentric theory over geocentric theory. Where increasingly convoluted mathematical abstractions were required to explain planetary movement before people realized everything was simply going around the sun.

But while the geocentric theory had convoluted math backing it, Flat Earth requires an ignorance of trigonometry, an ignorance of geography, and a wall around the planet to work. Anyone with a car, two protractors, two sticks of equal length, two smartphones, a full tank of gas and a willing partner can do calculations for the sphericity of the Earth. All you need is a separation of about a few hundred miles to get an observable difference.

Hell... grade school kids do this experiment all the time.

 

[BobK]

Also, I wonder how many Flat Earthers have flown halfway across the world without sleeping? (I can't sleep on planes)

Really screws with your head to have both internal and external clocks telling you it's past midnight at high noon.

I've wondered how the Flat Earthers explain the need for time zones.

But while the geocentric theory had convoluted math backing it, Flat Earth requires an ignorance of trigonometry, an ignorance of geography, and a wall around the planet to work. Anyone with a car, two protractors, two sticks of equal length, two smartphones, a full tank of gas and a willing partner can do calculations for the sphericity of the Earth. All you need is a separation of about a few hundred miles to get an observable difference.

Hell... grade school kids do this experiment all the time.

This is precisely why people question @Pillo-san really being a mechanical engineer (or at least having an ME degree). An ME would have the tools to easily construct a number of demonstrations showing the Earth is more or less a sphere.[/QUOTE]

 

[niky]

I've wondered how the Flat Earthers explain the need for time zones.

I looked up, for a larf, a Flat Earther counter for transcontinental flights.

Sat through five minutes of:

"This is really simple."

"You don't need to write this down."

"It just takes a little bit of math."

"Guess what?"

"There are no direct flights between Australia and South America."

Boom.

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Uh:

Please pull the other one.

Another part of his "proof" is that the flight times are longer than they should be if you calculate based on the aircraft's cruising speed.

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Of course, if he's ever sat inside a commercial aircraft within the past few years... where onboard video screens now show things like navigation routes and airspeed, aside from stale movies and sitcoms... he'd know that a commercial airliner spends about half-an-hour or more accelerating to top speed, and then an hour or so decelerating to approach speed. (and a interminable amount of time taxiing, circling crowded airports, flying into headwinds, etcetera... not to mention the times when pilots throttle back simply to save fuel...).

I think I lost a few brain cells in the span of several minutes.