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The infamous ultimate supercar thread.
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Doesn't sound wrong to me, since I've grown up using the term. But in spite of that, I'll go change it so I look like I care. 
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^Yeah, you could even collect stuff from scrap cars (such as metal) and shape it with some sort of...uh...metal-shaping tool. You can get cheap engines and transmissions on EBay for little money, and the internet has plenty of sites for building parts. This plan seems better than what he has in mind. It's just too hard.
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Yeah, I'd be sure to line up to buy a supercar from a guy asking for support on an internet forum and using scrap metal from wrecked cars for the body and eBay parts for the rest. Just think, you could be beating Veyrons with a $400 car!
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This isn't a production car. It's a one-off, from what mPWRD is saying.
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Famine - thanks for contacting your friend. I do understand that the biggest companies in the world have a larger operating budget per day than I would in a year. I also understand that they have a helluva lot more resources than I do. Not exactly encouraging, but I don't care. As I said, I don't plan to even start thinking about building for another 4 or 5 years. Even at that point, I will have a full-time job to work on, which will probably be in "one of the world's largest car manufacturers".
It's funny. All of your posts attempting to discourage me are quite amusing, actually. Famine's friend's condescension is warranted, as it seems difficult to believe that a "stupid little kid" like me can create something that is on par with "the big boys".
Ever heard of this guy?
"Christian von Koenigsegg decided to go into the supercar business back in the early 1990s when he was only 22 years old. His company has succeeded in building some startlingly quick and capable machines.
Now based in Margretetorp, Sweden, Koenigsegg showed its first prototype, the CC, in 1997, and sold its first car, a CC 8S, in 2002. (five years later) The midengine sports cars responsible for the company's performance reputation—CCR, CCX and CCXR—are all developments on that first one."
So it won't be a quick or easy process - but it can be done. Granted, Koenigsegg did use a Ford 4.7L v8, but he has heavily modified it until it is hard to compare to the original. In post #44, I mentioned that the engine I am working on is based on a current engine, and a lot of the parts included in the chassis will not be original. They will be top quality, but not original.
So it's not hopeless. And remember - I did not post this thread to ask your opinions about it. You seem to have completely misinterpreted the point. I posted this to find people who are potentially interested. And through your constant pessimism and defeatist attitude, I can tell that you're all trying very hard to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@minoltaman: It's not a one-off. There will be as many as people want.
It's funny. All of your posts attempting to discourage me are quite amusing, actually. Famine's friend's condescension is warranted, as it seems difficult to believe that a "stupid little kid" like me can create something that is on par with "the big boys".
Ever heard of this guy?
"Christian von Koenigsegg decided to go into the supercar business back in the early 1990s when he was only 22 years old. His company has succeeded in building some startlingly quick and capable machines.
Now based in Margretetorp, Sweden, Koenigsegg showed its first prototype, the CC, in 1997, and sold its first car, a CC 8S, in 2002. (five years later) The midengine sports cars responsible for the company's performance reputation—CCR, CCX and CCXR—are all developments on that first one."
So it won't be a quick or easy process - but it can be done. Granted, Koenigsegg did use a Ford 4.7L v8, but he has heavily modified it until it is hard to compare to the original. In post #44, I mentioned that the engine I am working on is based on a current engine, and a lot of the parts included in the chassis will not be original. They will be top quality, but not original.
So it's not hopeless. And remember - I did not post this thread to ask your opinions about it. You seem to have completely misinterpreted the point. I posted this to find people who are potentially interested. And through your constant pessimism and defeatist attitude, I can tell that you're all trying very hard to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
@minoltaman: It's not a one-off. There will be as many as people want.
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and I am just above that age... so in a few years time... they'll be 20-25-ish... perfect age to use their enthusiasm in a major project.
And may i remind you that despite the fact that this is a video game forum, there are people on here who work with cars and people who know people who work with cars... i mean, famine's friend may sound like an condescending know-it-all, but i got some stuff out of what he said...
And may i remind you that despite the fact that this is a video game forum, there are people on here who work with cars and people who know people who work with cars... i mean, famine's friend may sound like an condescending know-it-all, but i got some stuff out of what he said...
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Fair enough then. I'm not interested in helping. Though in five years time if you've got anywhere with the idea, I'll be happy to take a look into it (as I'll hopefully be in motoring journalism by then).
However, my main points still stand. 1) A computer game forum is not the best place to start your recruitment drive and 2) I still think you'd be better off "thinking small" and making an inexpensive sports car before you leap to a supercar. Christian von Koenigsegg is very much an exception to the rule, not the rule itself.
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Thanks...
1. I started my "recruitment drive" well before I started this thread. I have gotten multiple responses locally, which drove me to go global.
2. If you count serious tuning (not boy-racer type) as "thinking small" then I have already started.
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Then post your experience. You say you've got so much work done (you know exactly what the car is going to do and such as you have performance figures) so show something. Show a CAD drawing of it, some sort of engine specs even. From all we know, you're 13 and are trolling us all.
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In case you forgot, Dr. Hopeless, I am a college student. If I was 13 and trolling you all, I would have stopped posting at this point. I never said I had so much work done. Find a quote. I just said that I know what I want (ideally). I have no CADs of the car yet, as I'm finding it quite hard to come up with a design for the body. I also told you that I have no intentions of posting engine specs yet, as they are by no means final.
Now - if you are going to post anything negative, stop. That means you: eiriksmil, imakuni, exigeevan, minoltaman89, eric, azuremen, buickgnx88...
but thank you to those who at least wished me luck.
i'm open to questions and a certain amount of skepticism, but the cyncism and pessimism must stop here.
Now - if you are going to post anything negative, stop. That means you: eiriksmil, imakuni, exigeevan, minoltaman89, eric, azuremen, buickgnx88...
but thank you to those who at least wished me luck.
i'm open to questions and a certain amount of skepticism, but the cyncism and pessimism must stop here.
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"It has" suggests that you have something. The rest of that suggests its also going to be a 250mph hypercar. For #2, you act as if the engine design is complete.
And lastly, you don't tell me where I can and can not post. You're not part of the moderation team.
And again, you failed to post the experience I asked for. In regards to trolling, I have seen much more detailed trolling than this would be.
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fyi - there is a difference between a concept and a design. the project is still at the concept stage, which means that i know what i want, and i now have to go about achieving that. which explains "it has"
as far as experience, i have little experience in working at a company but plenty of experience with cars - i have been working on them since i was 16 (which i mentioned earlier, i think)
I am not commanding you to stop. of course i'm not part of the mod team. i am merely requesting that you stop posting negative comments on this thread and direct your attentions to more constructive comments elsewhere. If you think i'm trolling, all of your posts are completely pointless. in case you didn't notice, this is a quite unsuccessful troll, as some of the posts have wished me luck, others have been enthusiastic, and yet others have been dismissive. yet only you have gone with the angry posts.
as far as experience, i have little experience in working at a company but plenty of experience with cars - i have been working on them since i was 16 (which i mentioned earlier, i think)
I am not commanding you to stop. of course i'm not part of the mod team. i am merely requesting that you stop posting negative comments on this thread and direct your attentions to more constructive comments elsewhere. If you think i'm trolling, all of your posts are completely pointless. in case you didn't notice, this is a quite unsuccessful troll, as some of the posts have wished me luck, others have been enthusiastic, and yet others have been dismissive. yet only you have gone with the angry posts.
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Working on cars since you were 16...In what way is that going to help you build a supercar besides knowing how to screw the parts together once the parts are actually made? I know you say its planned to happen in five years or whatever, but do you have an idea of where you are going to get money or anything at all like this? Apart from your buddies backing you up, I could be just as far along in this project as you are in 5 minutes apparently.
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No, you pretty much picked a list of names and told us not to post here. It doesn't quite work that way.
So you are what, 20? So you are working on your bachelors and hoping to go for a masters later. And you've got 4 years of experience working on cars, which means just about nothing. You could possibly start by posting what you've done to your own car, which you claimed last was an M3 of some sort.
A concept is one thing but you haven't even given us the engine you are working off of. It isn't like we are going to steal your design based on informing us of what engine you are working from. And what application do you plan to use to model the stresses and thermal loadings on the engine components, and then how are you going to be build these pieces?
Most of us aren't being so much negative as quite realistic, asking very real questions that you would be asked if you presented this idea to a board of investors - people don't want to invest anything into an idea that a person refuses to give any details on except "it will be great and I am CADing up some stuff." That is quite on par with holding up a drawing on a napkin and saying "hey look, give me your time and money so we can build this thing I made on this napkin. It will be great."
You might say some ideas have started on napkins and small teams of people, but these people normally have very handsome sums of money to play with.
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I will not give you my name, but I will tell you that the engine that i am working with is a BMW I-6. The 3.0L one. I appreciate the questions, but flat-out saying "you can do it" is totally different. I did thank Dave and Leonidae for their questions. My M3 is a sort of test bed for stuff i'm hoping to put in the supercar. I have fiddled with the engine (i actually bought 2 spares), experimenting with turbos, superchargers, direct injection, and more. They probably won't work by the time i'm done with them, but it will be ok.
And enough about the money thing. Unless you have extra money lying around (yeah, right) or know someone who does, don't bother. I will deal with that.
As for the parts, I will design them and test stress and thermal loads using Autodesk Inventor 2009. I said early that i know a person who runs a machine shop. I will use this connection as much as possible, in order to machine parts, work with the design, etc. If you know someone who can do casting, that would help. Quite a few of the parts will not be custom-made, but sourced from typical stores, such as the wheels, tires, seats, handbrake, etc. These will be your typical brands like BBS, Michelin, Sparco, and Momo, respectively.
And enough about the money thing. Unless you have extra money lying around (yeah, right) or know someone who does, don't bother. I will deal with that.
As for the parts, I will design them and test stress and thermal loads using Autodesk Inventor 2009. I said early that i know a person who runs a machine shop. I will use this connection as much as possible, in order to machine parts, work with the design, etc. If you know someone who can do casting, that would help. Quite a few of the parts will not be custom-made, but sourced from typical stores, such as the wheels, tires, seats, handbrake, etc. These will be your typical brands like BBS, Michelin, Sparco, and Momo, respectively.
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So, most of the latest 230-250mph cars are doing at least 800hp. You think you can get a BMW six pot making that reliably when it made under 300hp stock? If you're gonna source something, just get a LS2 or its cousin. They are tried and true to be able to do what you're wanting.
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So you want to use a 3 liter straight six in a not lightweight car (your own words) to produce a 250 MPH fast car with daily drivablity, along with fabricating lots of parts but still sourcing them from others?
The reality is it sounds like you are going to make a kit car, sourcing parts from other cars. If you tweak them a little, it is still effectively a kit car. And if you want super car performance figures from a 3 liter motor, you'd best keep the car under 2400 pounds. Which is lightweight I do think.
The reality is it sounds like you are going to make a kit car, sourcing parts from other cars. If you tweak them a little, it is still effectively a kit car. And if you want super car performance figures from a 3 liter motor, you'd best keep the car under 2400 pounds. Which is lightweight I do think.
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Who says i'm only using one? If you really want to know, the main reason i bought two spares is because i'm planning on casting a v-12 block containing two of the bmw 6-cylinder engines.
I relent: here are some stats.
Type: 90degree V12
Displacement: 5.4L
5 valves/cylinder DOHC
Direct Injection
2 Twinchargers (VGT and Centrifugal superchargers)
Variable Displacement System (once i figure out how to program it)
Dry sump lubrication
Transmission: Unknown (i'm hoping dual-clutch)
Figures such as hp, torque, etc. are unknown as i haven't built it yet.
This is what i have as of now. I am working on schematics for the aforementioned electric motor assist, which would involve the motors getting the car off the line and letting the engine do the rest... i'm also thinking of using the motors for any speed under 80 mph.
Questions and/or suggestions?
I relent: here are some stats.
Type: 90degree V12
Displacement: 5.4L
5 valves/cylinder DOHC
Direct Injection
2 Twinchargers (VGT and Centrifugal superchargers)
Variable Displacement System (once i figure out how to program it)
Dry sump lubrication
Transmission: Unknown (i'm hoping dual-clutch)
Figures such as hp, torque, etc. are unknown as i haven't built it yet.
This is what i have as of now. I am working on schematics for the aforementioned electric motor assist, which would involve the motors getting the car off the line and letting the engine do the rest... i'm also thinking of using the motors for any speed under 80 mph.
Questions and/or suggestions?
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CvK managed to acquire backing/funding from Volvo and then parent company Ford, who supplied the engines for free. In this current financial climate where companies are looking to cut costs and staff left right and centre, what would be your strategy be in wooing these kinds of companies who possess the tooling, resources (in Volvo's case the all important wind tunnel), materials and experience that would be vital to a supercar startup company.
Can I ask why you are so cagey about giving away even the smallest details about the specifications of your project? Apart from all the obvious difficulties that you would face, I see one of the biggest factors being finding a client that would be interested in purchasing a bespoke supercar from a new-kid-on-the-block manafacturer. I would imagine you would need to secure the interest of buyers before you spend even a cent on development, and I would assume you would need to be more forthcoming with information in order to do that. After all, the type of people you would be selling to would be the kind that know what they want.
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charming, but no. There will be a limit as to how much you can customize the engine, and the interior will not have the exotic leather, etc. Every part you find in the interior has a function to do with the car (except perhaps nav system and audio system)
Think about it. Koenigsegg's V8, Ascari's v8, and the Zonda's V12 were all based off of other engines, but they were all heavily modified. This is similar. Instead of wisecracking, maybe you should ask some more questions. Those may help.
Think about it. Koenigsegg's V8, Ascari's v8, and the Zonda's V12 were all based off of other engines, but they were all heavily modified. This is similar. Instead of wisecracking, maybe you should ask some more questions. Those may help.
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